New Manager

[DutchGuy]

We need a manager who is able to release content on a big scale. Not little updates every single day. If you are capable of releasing content let's say (quests) you'd be having people explore it themselves instead of asking everything around.
What happens right now on classic is, little updates "bringing back old levels" wow cool, people visit it, they share old memories and leave, that's it.

Classic could have so much new content with already excisting items.

Let's just say the hammer.
The hammer could be used for far better reasons then just making the player little or hammering down stuff.
Like make a quest where you can collect stuff, and the collected stuff should be something you can build. Now using the hammer you could build stuff on your own private property or in your guild bases, or anywhere on the map.. maybe a reserved player island only accessible when you've played a decent amount of time or whatever.

There should be an idea behind releasing content. Not release content to satisfy current players for a short time.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by DutchGuy

We need a manager who is able to release content on a big scale. Not little updates every single day. If you are capable of releasing content let's say (quests) you'd be having people explore it themselves instead of asking everything around.
What happens right now on classic is, little updates "bringing back old levels" wow cool, people visit it, they share old memories and leave, that's it.

Classic could have so much new content with already excisting items.

Let's just say the hammer.
The hammer could be used for far better reasons then just making the player little or hammering down stuff.
Like make a quest where you can collect stuff, and the collected stuff should be something you can build. Now using the hammer you could build stuff on your own private property or in your guild bases, or anywhere on the map.. maybe a reserved player island only accessible when you've played a decent amount of time or whatever.

There should be an idea behind releasing content. Not release content to satisfy current players for a short time.

OMGOMG yes let be able to build stuff with hammer so we can ruin classic!!
no really aerox you dont even know what is coming so calm the **** down.
and yes your right when you say we need a manager capable of releasing content on big scale. but...do e have a choice atm? until the review is over we cant do **** but wait.

[Kamaeru]

*sigh*

What Classic really needs is its own Miyamoto/Aonuma figure. I can't see much real organization in the right direction without something of the sort.

The Manager position should be replaced with something more like "Director".

This isn't McDonalds.

[Oni]

Originally Posted by Kamaeru

*sigh*

What Classic really needs is its own Miyamoto/Aonuma figure.

what in the hell

[BlackSolider]

Does a manager 'manage' or does he dev stuff?

The dev team needs to dev. The manager needs to make sure they're doing what they need to be doing.

Now, what the dev team needs to be doing...well it varies from person to person. But we definately need some progress to help the server.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Does a manager 'manage' or does he dev stuff?

The dev team needs to dev. The manager needs to make sure they're doing what they need to be doing.

Now, what the dev team needs to be doing...well it varies from person to person. But we definately need some progress to help the server.

manager should help developping on his own too. manager isnt about idling and tell dev to work

[MysticX2X]

A manager does not have to develop.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

A manager does not have to develop.

if the dev cant do **** manager should be , your not a manager how would you know

[Rufus]

Classic isn't going to get a new manager after this second "PWA Review" so don't get your hopes up.

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

if the dev cant do **** manager should be , your not a manager how would you know

Because I know what is required of a manager. I do however agree that Storm could be developing since his manager load isn't as big as a usual manager. I believe he has been working a bit lately.

[BlackSolider]

Not try to bash you or anything here, but how do you know what is required of a manager?

[MysticX2X]

Seen what managers in the past have done for a while. It's kind of given that they don't have to develop so long as they can hold up their post of managing.

You don't have to be a manager to know what a manager should be doing.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Because I know what is required of a manager. I do however agree that Storm could be developing since his manager load isn't as big as a usual manager. I believe he has been working a bit lately.

he didnt do **** for 4 years , i know his manager load isnt big lol.
however working? except uploading other people work . ok he made pictionnary better with the mouse wheel. but he missed some colors.

[DesolateRestriction]

I personally would find being manager of Classic a nightmare.
Mainly because it would be so limiting on new ideas.
You couldn't implement something completely original without endangering the classic/traditional nature of the server.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by DesolateRestriction

I personally would find being manager of Classic a nightmare.
Mainly because it would be so limiting on new ideas.
You couldn't implement something completely original without endangering the classic/traditional nature of the server.

It isn't as limiting as you think, its just a different theme.

We're working on modern type things but with a classic theme.
Like the card game coming out soon, its very complex and technical, yet it fits in well with the classic feel since we implemented the theme into the card game.

[mistral_007]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

I think it really has been too long.

I'm certain there is a current staff member on Classic who could do a vastly better job as manager.

If we didn't have to pay to play this server, I might see things a bit differently, but when the majority of the players want a change, I don't see the point in not giving it to them unless it's an impossibility.

It's amazing how many people that doesnt even know what a manager does and thereby have false reasons for a new manager.

Some people just dont like Storm as a person, and fine, dont, but please have a argument for a change of manager. Most arguments are stories that became true, that he does nothing and can't help.

Maybe people are desperate, but please no change in manager at any time would change the lack of people playing. Classic is classic, we're not supposed to add stuff that change that fact just to make it a little more attractive.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by mistral_007

It's amazing how many people that doesnt even know what a manager does and thereby have false reasons for a new manager.

Some people just dont like Storm as a person, and fine, dont, but please have a argument for a change of manager. Most arguments are stories that became true, that he does nothing and can't help.

Maybe people are desperate, but please no change in manager at any time would change the lack of people playing. Classic is classic, we're not supposed to add stuff that change that fact just to make it a little more attractive.

I don't think it is that anyone dislikes storm as a person.
He is a smart and nice person to talk to.

It really isn't about desperation, we're used to being this low. I think most of the players are asking him to be removed as he is a core player in the stagnation of classic, and really hasn't been doing his job until recently when his position may be in jeopardy, and that the players would finally like to drop the feeling of being stagnant as a server.

[mistral_007]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

I don't think it is that anyone dislikes storm as a person.
He is a smart and nice person to talk to.

It really isn't about desperation, we're used to being this low. I think most of the players are asking him to be removed as he is a core player in the stagnation of classic, and really hasn't been doing his job until recently when his position may be in jeopardy, and that the players would finally like to drop the feeling of being stagnant as a server.

Well i heard so many people saying bad things about his person, so thats not really true.

Back to the fact that you got no argument, or a better person for the job.

[Shadow87]

Ummm zack...we have an argument, did you not read everything being said on these forums? Sure storm could be a good person, but hes a bad manager, he cannot manage his staff admins, thats just one argument.

Main argument in my opinion , is pretty simple, 5 years have passed, maybe 4, i dont know how long its been, but either way, classic is the same, and no new content has really come out. Little things that are not impressive or likable here and there, but ya, basically nothing.

[DutchGuy]

would u wanna stay at the same level in 5 years when you have a job? personally i would wanna grow to a higher level.
Seems storm doesn't look at it this way.
I think stefan hired him to kill classic forever.

[BlackSolider]

I still find it ironic that people used to bash storm for not being active; yet they bash him now for being active. It's a no-win situation with these people.

Sure, it seems a bit convenient that he started appearing more when his job was finally in question by authorities, but stop bashing the dude for actually doing his job now. Help him help you.

[mistral_007]

Originally Posted by Shadow87

Ummm zack...we have an argument, did you not read everything being said on these forums? Sure storm could be a good person, but hes a bad manager, he cannot manage his staff admins, thats just one argument.

Main argument in my opinion , is pretty simple, 5 years have passed, maybe 4, i dont know how long its been, but either way, classic is the same, and no new content has really come out. Little things that are not impressive or likable here and there, but ya, basically nothing.

that's not a well underbuilt argument, just something you think. What if peopel say the opposite? The argument can fall pretty quickly and goes back to stuff you heard from random graalians, probably many rumors. If that's the argument, we never had a good manager, leader, whatever.

Classic is for the most part supposed to be the same. Some new GC-events, prices and items and so on is fine. Your argument also falls when you can't prove that's his fault. He can't think of everything, or do everything himself. There has to be willing people that do work, have ideas that's not from the moon and so on. Not only complaining carrots needing to blame someone all the time and do no work.

[BlackSolider]

As others, such as DC, have said, it isn't all stormos fault. Far from it.

But as a manager, you're supposed to check in weekly/every two weeks/at least monthly to see how your staff teams are doing. And when for four years the dev team, specifically, didn't do much to improve the server...you sort of need to ask the manager why he didn't give em a hand or at least a boot in the rear.

Classic has far worse problems than our manager. But certainly the manager has some responsibility over the past for years, especially when he didn't do what managers are supposed to do: manage.

[MysticX2X]

Why are we debating this still if storm is actually doing his job now. Wanted to do caps lock

[DutchGuy]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Why are we debating this still if storm is actually doing his job now. Wanted to do caps lock

hes doing his job now till everything goes quiet again, then he leaves for 5 more years, and we're back at the same point.

[BlackSolider]

Hopefully most of us will have moved on before those 5 years pass. Hopefully.

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by DutchGuy

hes doing his job now till everything goes quiet again, then he leaves for 5 more years, and we're back at the same point.

Then we know he will probably be fired if he goes back inactive like he was before.

[Kill]

@ Above post:
Keyword: probably.

He won't be fired, give it a rest.

[Bell]

Thanks to all of you who have been patient with this process, it hasn't been an easy decision. After reviewing all the forums and having private discussions with many of you. The decision has been made to appoint Thor and Storm as managers of Classic. Both will have equal responsibility and authority over the server. This will give the server a more visible presence of management to handle all its needs.

We feel that Storm has the ability to still contribute to Classic's improvement if allowed by the players to focus on getting the job done. We feel Thor deserves this opportunity to guarantee full implementation of the work he's been working to achieve. Both have a similar vision to improve the server as well as maintain its Classic feel. Our hope is that the two of them will continue to work closely together to achieve their mutual goal.

Stryker, Ranger and Night are all highly qualified admins that also have the ability to support and improve conditions on the server. I personally would like to thank them for doing their best to hang in there under some very adverse conditions. Its my understanding that once cards are finished and released, DC, who has been Classic's cheerleader and voice of the people will be moving from the GC side to the dev side full time. I'm sure this will also help improve both short term and long term goals.

Case Closed *bangs gavel*

The Playerworld Administration Team

[TESTRETIS]

I object...Oh wait too late.

DarkCloud is mine.

[Rufus]

Congratulations Playerworld Administration, you've made it even worse than what it was.

[Luda]

****

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Bell

We feel that Storm has the ability to still contribute to Classic's improvement if allowed by the players to focus on getting the job done. We feel Thor deserves this opportunity to guarantee full implementation of the work he's been working to achieve. Both have a similar vision to improve the server as well as maintain its Classic feel. Our hope is that the two of them will continue to work closely together to achieve their mutual goal.

Ok so what does this actually mean? To me it's a bunch of big words and glittery sentences that don't actually mean much in the end nor does it make a difference.

Storm has had the ability to contribute to Classic's improvement for years now, how is it any different today?

Originally Posted by Bell

Case Closed *bangs gavel*

The Playerworld Administration Team

Your team is awful.

[Mark Sir Link]

LOL wut

[xnervNATx]

well 2 managers.....idk what to say


door and dc for manager!

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Congratulations Playerworld Administration, you've made it even worse than what it was.

Congratulations Rufus, you don't always know everything.

You know what I notice about a lot of your posts? You post this negative stuff but you don't post any reason why and then you expect people to back up your comment with positive things.

I'm starting to think you're incapable of making a good argument using pure facts for anything.

You guys asked for a review, we gave a review. You weren't happy with just a review, so we took more action. Nobody knows how this will work out until we give it a shot, so what do you say you buckle down and give it a shot before you start whining and complaining again. I really don't believe you're in any position to tell us that we've "made it even worse than it was," you don't know that for sure, and neither do we.

[Bell]

Originally Posted by Crono

Ok so what does this actually mean? To me it's a bunch of big words and glittery sentences that don't actually mean much in the end nor does it make a difference.

Storm has had the ability to contribute to Classic's improvement for years now, how is it any different today?

Long story short. Storm gets to prove his Storm2.0 is real, Thor is there if he fails. If he doesn't fail then you have more people to voice your opinions to. You have DC to be your louder voice if he feels it will benefit the server.

My advice to all of you? Be careful what you wish for. You may not like the reality of it in the end.

Originally Posted by Crono

Your team is awful.

Opinion noted and filed. Thank you for your input

[Unpredlctable]

*****

[Luda]

More like Storm5.6 jesus christ how many chances does this guy get?
Also I don't think Thor wants to be manager, that's just what I heard..

gj

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Luda

More like Storm5.6 jesus christ how many chances does this guy get?
Also I don't think Thor wants to be manager, that's just what I heard..

gj

We talked to all of the staff members involved, including Thor, before making this decision.