Why are inactive playerworlds on classic list?

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by LordVyse

Why isnt Babylon public?

Because much like the playerworlds outlined in this thread.
The playerwould would peak because it would be new to some people.

then it would be dead

Aside from its usual 40 online staff that is.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by medved

u r so coll n hardkore, cxan i b urf rend plx

Ty.

Why isnt Babylon public?

Because it isn't ready.

Because much like the playerworlds outlined in this thread.
The playerwould would peak because it would be new to some people.

Yeah.

then it would be dead

Yeah x 2.

Aside from its usual 40 online staff that is.

Shows how much you know.

[Malinko]

Originally Posted by LordVyse

Why isnt Babylon public?

Be patient.

Don't worry, Crono, some past Managers of Babylon are jealous they don't have the world now. Also jealous they couldn't have much success as others. Heh.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Malinko

Don't worry, Crono, some past Managers of Babylon are jealous they don't have the world now. Also jealous they couldn't have much success as others. Heh.

Spoilers: You backed out of my other thread because you know everything I said is right. You run and hide behind this horrible act of yours so that people will think you are some kind of great Manager. Sorry, your decision making skills as well as your PR and People skills have driven me to the conclusion that you dont know what you are talking about.

Sorry If i ruined a great story for anyone by revealing the end.

Originally Posted by Gerami

some stuff

Protip: You cant have it both ways.

How can the playerworld be dead but also active? (Which is what I gathered from your post). I have had more time and effort put into babylon then both of you two put togather. I am not even entirely mad at Crono because he is cool, but Malinko you continue to be entirely disrespectful to everyone who ever did anything for that server.

Crono I have been on babylon a very long time, by 40 online staff I mean 20 Staff members using 20 RC's. I dont know how long youve been around, but for Eye, Kish, and Alexander. That was not uncommon for the playercount to be 40+ and they only be Staff Members and Their RCs, I see nothing different in the way that things may happen in the future.

Please elaborate.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

How can the playerworld be dead but also active? (Which is what I gathered from your post). I have had more time and effort put into babylon then both of you two put togather.

Possibly so, I do remember you were manager for a while when that playerhouse town was north east of the map. You wore a blue and white outfit I think?

It's dead in the fact that it's dev, but will be active once in the classic tab. That's how I see it anyway.

I am not even entirely mad at Crono because he is cool

<3 <3 <3

Crono I have been on babylon a very long time, by 40 online staff I mean 20 Staff members using 20 RC's.

I thought you meant on today's babylon. Hehe. It's more like 15 RC's thanks to someone's LOL FAQS SHUOLD HAVE RCS. Don't worry, I DC everyone.

I dont know how long youve been around, but for Eye, Kish, and Alexander. That was not uncommon for the playercount to be 40+ and they only be Staff Members and Their RCs, I see nothing different in the way that things may happen in the future.

I have been around since LH managed the launch of babylon, but I was never SO active until early 2003. Then I went off and came back in I think 2004. I can't remember clearly, babylon has gone through too many changes. Manager wise, OW wise, and such.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Possibly so, I do remember you were manager for a while when that playerhouse town was north east of the map. You wore a blue and white outfit I think?

Blue and White and head1212, good memory

It's dead in the fact that it's dev, but will be active once in the classic tab. That's how I see it anyway.

Thats how any playerworld staff would like to see their playerworld, and there is a slight chance you might be right. However history is working against you, plus Malinko and Artanis's bad stigma. I am not taking anything away from the server, but rightfully so I have more then enough reasons to be upset about what is happening right now.

I thought you meant on today's babylon. Hehe. It's more like 15 RC's thanks to someone's LOL FAQS SHUOLD HAVE RCS. Don't worry, I DC everyone.

I cant judge todays babylon, I can only judge from history and what I saw when I was on when it had 140 People, And I counted 20 online staff, on their RC. Sure that means 100 of the people were NOT staff, but why were they there? Covered in other threads the reasons some people showed up. They were shocked babylon had players, so they logged on. Most people continued that trend, myself included. Before that there were tons of reports of people massing on other worlds such as UN that Babylon was giving Free NPCs.

Later on when players ask "Will we get to keep all these?" the answer they want to hear is given to them, "Yes". Later on it is discovered that infact, they will not be able to keep all their "Free" npcs "Free" hearts or "Free" Sword/Shieldpower. So why would anyone leave a server they have everything on and hundreds or thousands of hours, to start fresh somewhere with High Staff members who already have a trend of being pathological liars.

I have been around since LH managed the launch of babylon, but I was never SO active until early 2003. Then I went off and came back in I think 2004. I can't remember clearly, babylon has gone through too many changes. Manager wise, OW wise, and such.

I was active every minute since LH Launched, he recruited me on Bravo I think about a week before it went Classic. Babylon has went through a lot of changes but mostly because every manager who gets up there (Malinko, you are no exception, but rather, the primary example) just wants to **** around with what Babylon is because of its apparent playerworld invincibility.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

Thats how any playerworld staff would like to see their playerworld, and there is a slight chance you might be right. However history is working against you, plus Malinko and Artanis's bad stigma. I am not taking anything away from the server, but rightfully so I have more then enough reasons to be upset about what is happening right now.

It's not as bad as you think it is.

I cant judge todays babylon, I can only judge from history and what I saw when I was on when it had 140 People, And I counted 20 online staff, on their RC. Sure that means 100 of the people were NOT staff, but why were they there? Covered in other threads the reasons some people showed up. They were shocked babylon had players, so they logged on. Most people continued that trend, myself included. Before that there were tons of reports of people massing on other worlds such as UN that Babylon was giving Free NPCs.

Yeah I wasn't a fan of that. The server isn't there to host parties, it's there for us to work. When players get on it's very distracting and hard to work with 10 noobs pming "LOL KAN I B LAT???" or "LOL IZ LAT HIRING"

It's like, no **** it's hiring. Do you see -any- LATs at all?

Later on when players ask "Will we get to keep all these?" the answer they want to hear is given to them, "Yes". Later on it is discovered that infact, they will not be able to keep all their "Free" npcs "Free" hearts or "Free" Sword/Shieldpower. So why would anyone leave a server they have everything on and hundreds or thousands of hours, to start fresh somewhere with High Staff members who already have a trend of being pathological liars.

I'm the one who goes NO YOU DO NOT GET TO KEEP THESE IDIOTS, etc.

I was active every minute since LH Launched, he recruited me on Bravo I think about a week before it went Classic. Babylon has went through a lot of changes but mostly because every manager who gets up there (Malinko, you are no exception, but rather, the primary example) just wants to **** around with what Babylon is because of its apparent playerworld invincibility.

Oh cool.

Malinko isn't that bad.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Gerami

It's not as bad as you think it is.

Maybe you are right, and Maybe wrong, but I am also upset that for the second time in a row I was forcefully ran over by someone with power, in favor of them getting their sticky hands on the server because they couldnt before they found their power.

I'm the one who goes NO YOU DO NOT GET TO KEEP THESE IDIOTS, etc.

Who are the players more likely to believe though?

Crono [With no Exceptionally Amazing Tag]
or
Malinko and Artanis (Manager and Co-Manager tags)

Oh cool.

Malinko isn't that bad.

I know that some people will defend Malinko until the end of time, and I was prepared for stuff like that, just like people did with Nemesis when a similar thing happened back when I was Manager the first time.

I am waiting for him to jump into this thread, praise you, and tell me I am a jealous fool or something. When the fact of the matter is he would not even be touching babylon right now if he hadnt abused his powers and connections as PWA. He also would not even have half those powers if he didnt work most his graalian life at getting props for stealing other peoples work.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

Maybe you are right, and Maybe wrong, but I am also upset that for the second time in a row I was forcefully ran over by someone with power, in favor of them getting their sticky hands on the server because they couldnt before they found their power.

; Mal and Art have had power before, on Artlinko.

Who are the players more likely to believe though?

Crono [With no Exceptionally Amazing Tag]
or
Malinko and Artanis (Manager and Co-Manager tags)

LAT Admin > Manager

I know that some people will defend Malinko until the end of time, and I was prepared for stuff like that, just like people did with Nemesis when a similar thing happened back when I was Manager the first time.

Odear. What happened?

I am waiting for him to jump into this thread, praise you, and tell me I am a jealous fool or something. When the fact of the matter is he would not even be touching babylon right now if he hadnt abused his powers and connections as PWA. He also would not even have half those powers if he didnt work most his graalian life at getting props for stealing other peoples work.

Praising me would make me happy, of course, but doesn't change anything. I still consider you a friend and it wont make me go LOL MALINKO FOR PRESIDENT!!1

Mal and I have been friends for a while, and I defend friends so meh. :O

[Loakey_P2P]

Originally Posted by Lyndzey

I think Loakey is upset with people insulting SL in this thread, not with the decision.

right on the head . im not upset in the slighest about sl's removal . what makes me mad is how the player's just sit around and talk negative about the server and are sure to point out every little problem in sl and also attack the staff personaly . not all of this has no happened here in these forum's but it sure happen's alot in our server forum's . and franklly im getting just abit tired of it . we are working and thing's are being done , but for us staff that are working so long and hard it just irritates us to keep hearing it even tho everyone know's we are in a stage of rebuilding and it all is being kept from the public . so no one know's if changes are even being made so what can people say when they know nothing ? all player's can do is trust that we are doing all we can to rebuild this server , and not for us couse what we do get from finishing the server ? nothing , our work will be done and we'll have no more work to do on graal till we start a new server or go to work on another one . this is all about the player's . dont forget that .

as for other server's each one had it's own quality that made it different from the other server's . if all the graal server's spent their time just copying what every other server does their would be no varity . there would be no point to making 3000 playerworld's if they all looked the same and had the same stuff . so please dont tell us we need to do like this server when they did this couse it's realy redundant . all server's have thing's that seperate them from the rest , this is what people come to these server's for . there are still alot of server's out there that deserve their time on the classic list but not all of them are gona make it there , if you wana go with statistic's there have been very few server's to even make it to the hosted list , and look how many of them idle there for year's .

the only way to make a server and make it stay on classic or better is if you do like zone . you keep it hush hush till it's 100% complete then throw it out there to be put on the list . and yes i know it is still being changed but the point is . the server wasnt half way done when it was put up for global investigation . it was 100% done , it had everything they wanted , everything worked . granted they still may be making changes but it had plenty to do and being it didnt have a start and finish (as it's just a big war server) they was no real need to do more work to it .

i never really played babylon much but it was a decent server with enough to do . i dont doubt that one day it will return again better then ever but if they say it isnt ready yet then trust that they arnt ready to release it yet . i mean come on if era can keep comeing back it shouldnt be hard for a decent server like bab to come back again . no offence to the era guy's but i just never was much for the retro bs . i just allway's liked midevil better .

[Moondeath_2]

Originally Posted by Malinko

Bab with 120 tonight.

Hell, Zodiac has a lot of people online all the time.

Babylon will crush unholy nation. As for Zodiac, it'll be a bomy lands repeat.. but playerworlds like shangri-la, zenkou, and relic need to be moved to classic or something. They are very good playerworlds and I don't see too many things that is wrong with them execpt Shangri-La i'm now manager since all the staff have bumed out on it since shawns death i'm working on repairing some scripts. I need Pwa to come inspect and tell me what needs to be done before we can go to hosted. I'd make a support ticket but i'd be ignored and deleted before it gets even noticed.

[Andy0687]

Oh god, I hate this Phrase Throttle stuff so much, makes getting this conversation further on the road a bit harder. Anyways.

Originally Posted by Gerami

; Mal and Art have had power before, on Artlinko.

Thats not a fair comparison, a nothing server ran by a few nobodies with no real managerial experince does not constitute a legitimate reason for gaining power on a popular server (No matter classic or otherwise). How about because the guys who run FFF come and take over, say, N-Pulse? (So what if its farfetched, lol, its an example). Artlinko was never classic, nor had any (stable or otherwise) playerbase. He is simply riding off the popularity and novelty babylon still holds in a lot of players hearts. Since they dont have Mithica or Elven Lands, to run back too.

LAT Admin > Manager

Shockingly enough I have got to agree with you there. The Manager is only as good as his or her staff, if they continue to put themselves above you as far as ranks and power go, they are worthless.
If you are a true Manager, your staff should always come before you

Odear. What happened?

Not sure if you remember the whole Nemesis, Kish, DL, and Devil thing that happened a few years ago that ended up with Nemesis telling bs to Stefan to validate removing me from manager when the players on the world were causing trouble over Nemesis making DL manager. Similar thing here. Malinko made Odin the Manager, Odin Made me Co-Manager because he knew he would be away and I would take care of the server. Few days later, Malinko is on and im messaged on AIM by Sinna, I log on to confront him, he says and I quote. "I am PWA, I can do this if I want" and removed me!

Same case basically, I heard more about the problems on AIM going on with the Malinko/Artanis situation then anyone on Graal must have, and I had no power or nothing to do about it. Everyone I tried to get to help us, was tied (due to Malinkos somehow AMAZING high staff connections).

Praising me would make me happy, of course, but doesn't change anything. I still consider you a friend and it wont make me go LOL MALINKO FOR PRESIDENT!!1

Yeah, the whole point of that was Malinko always seems to interupt one of my threads with the same speech. Its getting tired because he cant confront everything he did now that someone is really speaking about it, and its a shame. I still consider you a friend even though we dont talk as much as before, and appriciate that this hasnt degraded as far as it could have.

Mal and I have been friends for a while, and I defend friends so meh. :O

Again cool, and I wouldnt expect you to choose between friends, I just want to make sure everyone sees all the facts laying on the table. Its no good for anyone when things remain hidden and unsaid for so long. Its just a shame that no one could do anything about it, because its really not right. Unfortunatly myself aswell as a flock of old babylon developers, will never see that light again, because of what has happened in the past half-year or more.

On the off chance none of this ever happened, babylon would be THE best classic server. Not a host to random parties for non-existant gloating rights.

[Loakey_P2P]

Originally Posted by ApothiX

Enlighten me, Oh great Buddah. Why does it have such a low playercount, if the reason is not because it utterly blows?

ok , explain un ? the server completlly blow's and it has one of the highest player count's of any server 95% of the time . im seeing that christian need to explain everything , even if there's nothing behind it but a person's theory.

Originally Posted by thrashsoul

I don't understand how you guys think making a new overworld will get players or something... You have to have some sort of god damn content.

ok , were not making a whole new ow . the ow is the least of the project , and all were doing is cleaning it up and putting everything where it was suppose to go in the first place . creating a whole new ow would be as you basically said , a waste of time . the player's arnt gona care about a server just couse of a quick level revamp . the main reason behind this work on sl was due to old improperlly scripted ncp's . beside's to finaly finish the server .but enough about sl . what about bab , i havent heard squat about that server in forever . as for del , i like the new tiles and new look but i dont like how resticted they have become . i went there once looking for a job and the staff wouldnt answer my pm's asking where to go . i eventually changed my nick to something stupid like looking for a lat job and got jailed . and still am there after what ? six month's . after that i had little respect for the staff of the server itself . i can see jailing a person for nick abuse but it would have to be a real graal rule for me to except the jailing . being jailed for asking about a job just made me mad enough to never go back there again .

[Crono]

Update:

Atlantis is virtually dead. It never has any players. It has NO staff. I haven't seen anyone on it recently, maybe 1-3 people just stopping by to see what the hell Atlantis is.

Don't use the timezone excuse, I live in Sweden. I'm on during the "prime time" of my timezone and America's. This server should be removed, why is it still up?

I could go technical and say that it has a horrible Q menu, horrible levels, and no playerbase.

[kenyonandelliot]

Yeah, but Atlantis is the only German server that works...

I am sure that PWA could go in there and if there is no staff members that they can probaly hire a new crew.