Global Development Team

[WanDaMan]

I would of probably tried out, to get me more involved in graal..

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by WanDaMan

just idle on RCs what gives them publicity i.e Era.

The GSTs that idle there are as well considered local staff, so this is not the right place to complain about that; further I am rather certain that they are less idling and more working on things beyond your view.

We see Tseng idle there and he does nothing for era, and he is assistant manager wait, I recall him doing an illegal gun what kills in one, awww corruptness like nemesis

Local staff, you see. And, I would like how you are as well informed about what Lance is doing all day long.

It's obvious you GST people don't want to be put to shame by this, well guess what. You allready are, How many servers have you helped without Stefan there? I mean only classic server you've helped is probably Zone

I see not why I should be ashamed for being GST. I could probably do the same job without the tag / RC, and I have been doing it before GST was created, and I am still doing it, whether you recognize it or not, sorry.

I'd thought this would be a great idea, but it's obvious you just won't accept it. I mean what's the point? GGT, GST, GLT Would of been great.

No one is arguing that you think that this is a great idea. The reasons you give are being argued.

To me it sounds like you are classing the level makers as retards who have no meaning on graal. Cough* without us there wouldn't be servers like era or zone, o-wait i guess you didn't think about that?

There is an increasing amount of complaints about levels being stolen, that is true, but I think the GST or PWA can still handle that.
It is more complicated and significant for a playerworld's fate to teach someone scripting than it is to teach someone to make levels, and at least for copyright reasons it is more significant to have a graphics administration than it is to have a levels one. No random corporation is going to sue Graal because we use their levels, and also no attacker is going to use security problems in levels to cause problems.

And to get a staff job like everyone else? why in hell dosn't GST AND GGT DO THAT? I MEAN THEY ARE JUST LIKE US I GUESS. THEY DON'T NEED GLOBAL RC AND MOONGOD EVEN YOU STATED THAT.

The GGT has been before me, I cannot answer for them. The GST was assigned a global RC so we can log in and appear official if I remember correctly, as we were originally not going to get a tag, which is also what you request so I give you that point. We have no significant admin rights, and we usually log only on a server if it is with former agreement with the staff anyway. Another nice reason for this is that all of us have been admins for a long time and eh, it does not hurt to have RC.

Hahahaha, Such a wierd coincidence, Seems to me like if you don't make GDT looks like Moongods comment will cause some fury about GST (which I may add is correct)

I doubt that.

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by DarkShadows_Legend

Angel and RObin did actually go to help him and we know those 2 are pretty friendly and will help people, except for RObin he kinda blew up in that other thread with ETD.

I helped too, it was some time ago but I am rather convinced that I actually refactored some scripts and fixed some others.
ETD did not get along with R0bin so R0bin left, if I remember correctly.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Loriel

That is what I said.

What I am trying to get at is that you people keep insisting that people should just go out and help playerworlds rather than having tags (which, by the way, builds up on the trustworthyness so you dont have to worry about your levels being haxed up) and yet GST and GGT are still around.

:/ why have GST and GGT if you shot down GDT when GST and GGT are the same, if not "worst" than having a global development team which cover all 3 developmental areas rather than just 2?

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by ETD

PD, the only scripter that 'bailed' on me was you, so I don;t see why you say that.

Are you not continously accusing us of bailing out on you?

The only scripter out of the whole bunch which was able to actually help was Osrs... and he's not GST or anything.

Which further proves one of the arguments against a GDT.

Can you guys try to discuss the SUGGESTION instead of trying to discredit me?

Hey, it was you that just made a two ton post about this

[syltburk]

Which is another problem with the GDT idea.
-What??? We havn't tested it yet. You are meaning GST and GGT right???

Enough PWs are asking for help in this forum... just go and help them, yes?
-From what I have read forumers answer to the questions have mostly been sarcastic or something else thats NOT serious. Atleast the most.

But is that not kind of implied here? Hm.
-Ok i didn't understand that so im not going to answer .

That means you are unable to get staff on your own, and instead you want to indirectly get staff by getting them to be global and then make them work on your server... ?
- Personaly I dont agree with ETD on that one.. I think that you should instruct map making and level making to people.. Because it is more easy to learn from a person right off then reading a tutorial.... Also you could help with levels but it wouldn't be like you make a whole overworld for them... Maybe make a quest or something like that in small areas for servers that need help with maybe something special kind.

But he most likely would have tried.
-No.

Perhaps you really do not, I do not know. But why do you think such is the best thing for PWs?
-For the moment it is.

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by WanDaMan

eh but he wouldn't. Read again, spark would be the owner.

How is this any better? I have no problem working with Spark but he is not a scripter.

[WanDaMan]

Originally Posted by Loriel

The GSTs that idle there are as well considered local staff, so this is not the right place to complain about that; further I am rather certain that they are less idling and more working on things beyond your view.

I thought you couldn't be staff when you're a global?

Originally Posted by Loriel

Local staff, you see. And, I would like how you are as well informed about what Lance is doing all day long.

Well because my brother is staff on Era and I hover around behind him?

Originally Posted by Loriel

I see not why I should be ashamed for being GST. I could probably do the same job without the tag / RC, and I have been doing it before GST was created, and I am still doing it, whether you recognize it or not, sorry.

What was the last server you helped? i've been helping servers, osrs has alot of people have. So why is there a GST if you can do it without RC?

Originally Posted by Loriel

There is an increasing amount of complaints about levels being stolen, that is true, but I think the GST or PWA can still handle that..

Hrmm, Do your own job and let spark and his team get on with his? and last time i asked you for help on the stolen levels you got me and the manager in a aim chat room whilst you left doing nothing but prevent the issue o.o

Originally Posted by Loriel

It is more complicated and significant for a playerworld's fate to teach someone scripting than it is to teach someone to make levels, and at least for copyright reasons it is more significant to have a graphics administration than it is to have a levels one. No random corporation is going to sue Graal because we use their levels, and also no attacker is going to use security problems in levels to cause problems...

Same for GST? I understand about GGT but what ever you have said about GST is the same as GLT but a different name

Originally Posted by Loriel

The GST was assigned a global RC so we can log in and appear official if I remember correctly, as we were originally not going to get a tag, which is also what you request so I give you that point. We have no significant admin rights, and we usually log only on a server if it is with former agreement with the staff anyway. Another nice reason for this is that all of us have been admins for a long time and eh, it does not hurt to have RC.
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You almost have level 4..
RC dosn't hurt, we don't need RC, You on the other hand do because of NC etc. But it'd help if you didn't idle on servers, angel did it like ETD said. We don't want global RC's to be known that we are official, just a tag would do, now what can that possibly hurt?

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by Gerami

What I am trying to get at is that you people keep insisting that people should just go out and help playerworlds rather than having tags (which, by the way, builds up on the trustworthyness so you dont have to worry about your levels being haxed up) and yet GST and GGT are still around.

Are you saying we are not doing work?
And: I never liked the idea of having a tag and I almost never use it.

:/ why have GST and GGT if you shot down GDT when GST and GGT are the same, if not "worst" than having a global development team which cover all 3 developmental areas rather than just 2?

Why replace the finely working teams with something new that is only going to be a management nightmare? We cannot just let random people get global RC and such, even if they rock at scripting, levels or graphics, either, which this idea is implying.

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by WanDaMan

I thought you couldn't be staff when you're a global?

?
I do not know, I never signed such

Well because my brother is staff on Era and I hover around behind him?

Then replace yourself with him in my question.

What was the last server you helped? i've been helping servers, osrs has alot of people have. So why is there a GST if you can do it without RC?

I usually do not keep track, but coincidentally it was Zone, because it is running out of time and I like it.
Fine, remove the GST if you want. I think it is doing good to Graal, but eh, I am only one of those most involved with it, so how dare I challenge your opinion.

Hrmm, Do your own job and let spark and his team get on with his? and last time i asked you for help on the stolen levels you got me and the manager in a aim chat room whilst you left doing nothing but prevent the issue o.o

I am convinced and I hope that Spark and his team are doing the job, but they are not always neccessary I think. I was trying to get you folks to discuss it maturely but apparently I failed?

Same for GST? I understand about GGT but what ever you have said about GST is the same as GLT but a different name

As I said, levels hardly have security problems, and scripting is a finer science than level making

You almost have level 4..

I and the whole GST have level 1, that is averagely less than the PWA has.

RC dosn't hurt, we don't need RC, You on the other hand do because of NC etc. But it'd help if you didn't idle on servers, angel did it like ETD said. We don't want global RC's to be known that we are official, just a tag would do, now what can that possibly hurt?

More staff to manage, more potential problems, more admin rights to abuse, more complaints to handle, ...

[WanDaMan]

I do not know, I never signed such

You didn't have to I'm pretty sure the rules stated it.


Then replace yourself with him in my question.

How do you mean? all I did was just state he worked there


I usually do not keep track, but coincidentally it was Zone, because it is running out of time and I like it.
Fine, remove the GST if you want. I think it is doing good to Graal, but eh, I am only one of those most involved with it, so how dare I challenge your opinion.

Sure I'll just open my admin tools and delete it ( ). Wow wasn't that like last month when stefan was working on it? :O! conicidence!


I am convinced and I hope that Spark and his team are doing the job, but they are not always neccessary I think. I was trying to get you folks to discuss it maturely but apparently I failed?

Yes, by bringing up a useless point? wow so you help pwa out cutting them out of a job, carry on gst!

As I said, levels hardly have security problems, and scripting is a finer science than level making

have you ever made a decent level? try it. They have secruity problems like scripts, what can be stolen from them? the text? omg levels can get stolen!

I and the whole GST have level 1, that is averagely less than the PWA has.

You do? haha, i highly doubt that.

More staff to manage, more potential problems, more admin rights to abuse, more complaints to handle, ...

Procisely why I wouldn't like RC like you, what have you achived having rc, no I don't mean publicity, I mean something productive?

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Loriel

Are you saying we are not doing work?
And: I never liked the idea of having a tag and I almost never use it.

I'm not saying that at all, I'm saying that you guys keep telling us that if you want to help servers out, you dont need to be global staff and just have to offer help and yet you and jagen are global scripters?

Why replace the finely working teams with something new that is only going to be a management nightmare? We cannot just let random people get global RC and such, even if they rock at scripting, levels or graphics, either, which this idea is implying.

Management nightmare? I think not, someone like Spark can manage this since the PWA aren't the busiest people around..or so I think.

They dont need global RC's, probably just tags so that managers of servers know that they can TRUST the person and know that the person will not "cheat" or anything of the sort.

Fine, remove the GST if you want

It's NOT about removing any Global position. In my view, the plan is to transfer all current global developers into one "branch" called "GDT" which is development in general, be it scripting, graphics, and/or levels.

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by WanDaMan

You didn't have to I'm pretty sure the rules stated it.

Well, I am not anyway.

How do you mean? all I did was just state he worked there

How would he know about all the work Lance does?

Sure I'll just open my admin tools and delete it ( ). Wow wasn't that like last month when stefan was working on it? :O! conicidence!

Sorry for doing what Stefan's asks me to do?

Yes, by bringing up a useless point? wow so you help pwa out cutting them out of a job, carry on gst!

You fail to make sense. My point was that the PWA is still responsible for such issues but I tried to help. Sorry?

have you ever made a decent level? try it. They have secruity problems like scripts, what can be stolen from them? the text? omg levels can get stolen!

I like to believe I was quite decent with levels before I started scripting.
I do not see your point. A bad level, although sad, cannot cause someone to get 34101023 gralats and such possibly requiring a reset of the server, for example.

You do? haha, i highly doubt that.
Cool for you. Try using the RC you most likely have on some PW and check.

[quoteProcisely why I wouldn't like RC like you, what have you achived having rc, no I don't mean publicity, I mean something productive?[/QUOTE]
Many bugfixes and scripts.

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by Gerami

I'm not saying that at all, I'm saying that you guys keep telling us that if you want to help servers out, you dont need to be global staff and just have to offer help and yet you and jagen are global scripters?

So you are helping people, and we are helping people. Works for me.

Management nightmare? I think not, someone like Spark can manage this since the PWA aren't the busiest people around..or so I think.

Or so you think.
Spark is not a development person anyway, as far as I know.

They dont need global RC's, probably just tags so that managers of servers know that they can TRUST the person and know that the person will not "cheat" or anything of the sort.

Can hardly cheat making levels and mailing them to a manager or so. You can just help some playerworld if you feel like it. Apply for staff jobs, I am sure that many will gladly accept you...

It's NOT about removing any Global position. In my view, the plan is to transfer all current global developers into one "branch" called "GDT" which is development in general, be it scripting, graphics, and/or levels.

So you are merely suggesting to take our tags and replace it with a slightly longer one, and give RC to level makers?

[WanDaMan]

Stuff from Loriel
Well, I am not anyway.

I'm to lazy to get them, just like you and angel was to update my level on era

How would he know about all the work Lance does?

Because he asks Loriel for scripts and he declines or replys with the famous comment what GST members use
"I'll do it tonight"


Sorry for doing what Stefan's asks me to do?
Okay, well help me on my server I need scripting. Since you helped him because he helped you why in hell wouldn't other gst members help me?

You fail to make sense. My point was that the PWA is still responsible for such issues but I tried to help. Sorry?
you tried to help and you failed


I like to believe I was quite decent with levels before I started scripting.
I do not see your point. A bad level, although sad, cannot cause someone to get 34101023 gralats and such possibly requiring a reset of the server, for example.

no that's just idiotic scripting, but scritps can be implanted into levels right? using no-shield.gif or something?

Cool for you. Try using the RC you most likely have on some PW and check.
Because I'm not authorized?, and Hrmm I've seen markb with level 4 rc and he isn't gst so I guess you'd have level 4 considering he is only an events master on graal kingdoms

Many bugfixes and scripts.
Forgot idleing?