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[Deek2]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu

I don't need to know anything about making graphics in order to know two things:

1) Quality of art isn't as significant to a game as gameplay.
2) Programmers tend to be of above-average intelligence, while artists do not. Also artists predominantly use the creative sides of their brains, while programmers use the logical side.

Not precisely. There's plenty of situations where it's predominantly required to use logic as a basis for your work. Especially, for example, realism. It's not like you can randomly spawn a precise representation of an object that actually reflects it's realistic quality using only creativity. You have to have some sense of logic (or intelligence) to spot out what an object actually looks like, how light reflects off of it....Is it a solid? Is it a liquid? Is it a gas? This you use as a basis. What you draw interprets what the object actually would look like in real life. So henceforth, you would need some amount of logic in order to accurately present those objects using only a pencil and paper.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Deek2
Not precisely. There's plenty of situations where it's predominantly required to use logic as a basis for your work.

Perhaps so, but those are heavily outnumbered. The reality is that skilled artists do use the 'creative' sides of their brains more - that's not just an opinion. They need to think about their art occasionally, but the major use of their brains is in visualising the image and being creative about representing it.

Meanwhile, programmers almost exclusively use the 'logical' half. It's only reasonable to expect that they're usually more logical people.

[davidpsy]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Perhaps so, but those are heavily outnumbered. The reality is that skilled artists do use the 'creative' sides of their brains more - that's not just an opinion. They need to think about their art occasionally, but the major use of their brains is in visualising the image and being creative about representing it.

Meanwhile, programmers almost exclusively use the 'logical' half. It's only reasonable to expect that they're usually more logical people.

Yeah maybe they do use their more logical side of their brain then artist do but it doesnt mean that artist do not think. Yeah scritps are what make a game and graphic are what cover it. But it is the combination of these two things that really give a game the feel of being like real life almost. So games are mearly copys of life right Kaimetsu? Then to be the best copy it can be it should not only look graphically but also system wise be alot like life is. So you really cant say that 1 is more essencial in the creation of a playerworld then another now can you?

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by davidpsy
Yeah maybe they do use their more logical side of their brain then artist do but it doesnt mean that artist do not think.

Donald, read with your brain and not just your eyes. Obviously the statement was not literal.

Yeah scritps are what make a game and graphic are what cover it. But it is the combination of these two things that really give a game the feel of being like real life almost.

Still missing the point.

So games are mearly copys of life right Kaimetsu?

No, most of them are not. We've already covered this.

Then to be the best copy it can be it should not only look graphically but also system wise be alot like life is. So you really cant say that 1 is more essencial in the creation of a playerworld then another now can you?

Even if your previous idiotic conjecture were true, it would still be possible for one aspect to be more significant in fooling the mind.

And until you manage to at least understand the topic of a debate that you started, I'm not gonna continue to reply on the subject.

[LordZen]

Originally posted by Kinatt


Zen, I do not like you. I was not stating that you were to stick up for "graphics people". I was stating that you were competent enough to admin this part of the forum (which you just said you weren't?)

Basically, you just defended Kaimetsu saying Graphics people do not think. Again you really do a great job of representing the graphics community as GGT admin and as moderator of these forums, I solute you.

And no Kaimetsu, I am not here to flame people. I took your comment personally since I create graphics.

It seems unlike the rest of the crew here, I do think when I am doing graphics.



Great place to use that sort of riposte that's like going into an all african-american college and start shouting racist terms.

Great then, Kinatt, the feeling is mutual.

But besides that, I think you totally misunderstood my post.

I was not responding to anything you said, infact. It was to a comment Scott had made which he was talking like he was disappointed in me for not sticking up for the graphics side of this argument better. And no I didnt just say that I wasnt competent enough to admin this part of the forum--WHERE did you get that from?

Also, how am I defending Kaimetsu in saying that graphics people do not think?

Originally posted by LordZen

I know that I certainly can think for myself.:o

Doesnt me saying that seem to infer the exact opposite? I was saying that I as a gfx person think for myself and I was therefore not agreeing with Kaimetsu there...lol.

Man how did you manage to screw that up so bad, hah.

[LordZen]

Originally posted by davidpsy


So games are mearly copys of life right Kaimetsu?

??

Lol, yea and dont you know Starcraft is based off of the 80's era? hehe

[davidpsy]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Donald, read with your brain and not just your eyes. Obviously the statement was not literal.



Still missing the point.



No, most of them are not. We've already covered this.



Even if your previous idiotic conjecture were true, it would still be possible for one aspect to be more significant in fooling the mind.

And until you manage to at least understand the topic of a debate that you started, I'm not gonna continue to reply on the subject.

I thought that the arguement was weather graphic or scripts were better. Both are really equal, I'm sick of agrueing with you all you do is call me an idioit and tell me my replys are so bad that you wont even take the time to reply. Well screw it, I'm done with it you can argue with someone else just leave me the hell out of it your like a broken record.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by davidpsy
you can argue with someone else

Didn't I already explain that I intended to do so?

[davidpsy]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Didn't I already explain that I intended to do so?

Dont act stupid you know what I ment! You said you dident intend to agrue with me becasue you think I'm a *****. I'm getting sick of you bashing me, your the mod you tell people not to insult others yet you have called me an idiot many many times... Before you tell people to abide by the rules maybe you should first. But no I shouldent of said that because now your gonna make up some lame reason and get away with it and call me an idiot again. You know I used to look up to you sort of. When ever I would think of someone who was really smart and what would they do I dident think of albert no I thought of you Kaimetsu. But I was wrong to do so.

[Deek2]

Originally posted by davidpsy

I'm getting sick of you bashing me, your the mod you tell people not to insult others yet you have called me an idiot many many times...

I believe he's already expressed to you that these 'insults' are non-intentional. You're misinterpreting them.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by davidpsy
Dont act stupid you know what I ment!

But apparently the reverse is not true. I told you that I don't want to argue with you, and I meant it. Why are you still talking to me?

[Deek2]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


But apparently the reverse is not true. I told you that I don't want to argue with you, and I meant it. Why are you still talking to me?

Actually, why are you still talking to him? It's obvious that every reply you give to him he's either going to get offended or he's going to backlash. It's not going anywhere.

[mhermher]

Graphics people++;
Scripting monkeys--;

Kaimetsu, i'm not here to offend you or anything, but please.. what the hell is this? Give us a break, you're saying that scripters are more intelligent than artists?

Well you're wrong, you sure are intelligent but please, you did not get so smart out of coding, people can just stick up the commands up thier asses and remember them, you can't remember where to put a pixel or what color to use, you THINK of what you do, while some scripters just know the commands that are in thier brains.


And leave Donald alone, you're coldhearted, and i don't care if i get flamed or hated by people who look and suck up to you or think the otherwise as my thoughts.

Sure, flame me, this forums is a rot hole anyways, nothing intresting, just seeing hatred, insulting, corrupt moderation and alot more.

Donald is not a idiot, you can stop calling him it, why don't you take the 10 minutes required to speak with him like a human and not like a robot? Just because he isn't typeing good here or anything don't mean he's illiterate(sp?).


By the way, i think every second i draw my images, thank you very much.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by mhermher
you're saying that scripters are more intelligent than artists?

Yes, of course they are.

people can just stick up the commands up thier asses and remember them

You think that's all scripting is? You think the difference between you and I is merely that I know more commands?

And leave Donald alone

Happily, when he starts to leave me alone.

you're coldhearted

That's a bad thing?

Donald is not a idiot, you can stop calling him it, why don't you take the 10 minutes required to speak with him like a human and not like a robot?

He'll have my respect and my courtesy when he earns it. But, that aside, I've already stopped calling him an idiot.

Originally posted by Deek2
Actually, why are you still talking to him?

Just explaining the situation to him. Note that I'm not writing essays here, it's not using up much of my time.

[Myomoto]

Ok, you people seem to be out in a circle, first off, you can't compare artists with coders, seeing they use each their part of the brain, coders use thier logical, and artisit uses their creative.
There is no way to compare those 2 with each other seeing they don't do anything near to each other, yes, maybe coders are smarter, but so? An artist is much more creative, which he is gonna use in HIS job of developing, so what if a coder is smarter? He is a coder BECAUSE he is smarter ._.

But of course, you have to learn something to do good graphics, but you have to learn something just to do scripting, so scripting is for an untalented far harder than graphics are for a untrained artist...

So in short, coders is smarter, but HEY! they get paid for that!
And the same way with artists, they are more creative then normal persons, and they actaully make a living of that.

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