Bring back Classic levels and hit detection?

[contego]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Quick thought.

Would uploading all the old levels + hd solve our problem of lack of content? That's the biggest issue right now with classic (at least imo); we have nothing to keep players online when events aren't being hosted, or for those players who aren't in events.

I agree. That's the issue though, all these years they've been working on this HD and the mess it caused rather than the content.

Step 1
Make the newbie spawn area in graalcity_outside_02.nw where it once was. So players see activity right away.

Step 2
Change tileset.

Step 3
Return HD to original status.

Step 4
List all issues this has caused for events, npcs, and scripts. Find temp bandages to fix these issues and then focus on long term repairs.

Step 5
Assign the repairs to development team. The Development Admin should be making sure that their staffs duties are being completed.

The problem is no one wants to start this because it will only get worse before it gets better.

[unknown]

I actually like the options NPC that lets you select the tileset you like.

[BlackSolider]

Comments on those steps:

Step 1: we need a way to differentiate between people new to graal and people new to classic. People from other servers shouldn't have to go through tutorial level since basically it explains how to play graal.

Step 2: tileset can be changed via *Options npcs in your inventory.

Step 3: some hd better than our current one plz.

Step 4 and 5: looks good.

[contego]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Comments on those steps:

Step 1: we need a way to differentiate between people new to graal and people new to classic. People from other servers shouldn't have to go through tutorial level since basically it explains how to play graal.

Step 2: tileset can be changed via *Options npcs in your inventory.

Step 3: some hd better than our current one plz.

Step 4 and 5: looks good.

I like your Step 1. Well said. We should have the option to skip the intro or go through it. Nice recommendation.

Step 2. tileset should be preset to what it always was and if you want to change it then go to *Options npcs in your inventory.

Step 3. Definitely no question about that fact.

[unknown]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

Comments on those steps:

Step 1: we need a way to differentiate between people new to graal and people new to classic. People from other servers shouldn't have to go through tutorial level since basically it explains how to play graal.

Step 2: tileset can be changed via *Options npcs in your inventory.

Step 3: some hd better than our current one plz.

Step 4 and 5: looks good.

I 100% agree, and good idea with step 1.

BTW, classic is already back down to 20 and thats within like 30 min lol.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by unknown

half the guild being, we would bring half our guild. I was just naming the people who have played classic.

You specifically stated that half of BTK are old players of Classic that are active. They aren't.

Originally Posted by unknown

Whats your definition of consistent?

Dictionary definition.

Originally Posted by unknown

The BTK members I named are pretty active other than KDawg and Chaos which we know why chaos isnt active. Funny I see pendragon, KIO, Cell, PH@NTOM, Unknown Mirage, December, Neo all on this week.

Not one of these people are active players on Graal. Logging on once every other month is not active, and that kind of player is certainly not what Classic needs for a revivial, which I'm assuming you and Contego are trying to promote here.

Originally Posted by unknown

I find it funny you call it a safety blanket when it is what it is, CLASSIC, which means it shouldnt have changed, especially something as essential as hit detection which no other server has done. Tell me why they changed it?

I don't care about the current classic? haven't since about 2003-04 I wonder why?

How is Classic a "safety blanket" at all? It's a server, and it's supposed to be a game. There is reasoning all over the place as why it was or wasn't changed but I'm not really concerned with it as there is no point in arguing over the past. What I am concerned with however, is the current playerbase that has played all of these years (and those who joined during those years) being screwed over with even less content because of a few people suggesting that the server might be saved by a few levels and the default hit detection. If you are only concerned with the old Classic then stop trying to suggest things for the current, because old Classic isn't going to be brought back even if the levels and hit detection is.

Originally Posted by unknown

I am not saying you dont need development, but theres no need to change the levels or old quests, though like I said previously in one of my earlier posts, I would be satisfied if even just the HD was changed and not the levels.

As far as development goes, you need to improve not on levels, no server really does, its all about EVENTS, NPCS, and possibly QUESTS, as well as some scripts here and there.

There is a need to change the old levels and old quests, because this is content from 2000. Most of the levels and quests will first need to be restricted if they were going for a minimal release and it might not sound like much but it probably would be with the little resources Classic has. In addition to this, there has been such a long wait for content over the years that the old one is just not going to be acceptable for new players and there is a limited pool of old players to attract so we need them. Classic's quests never pioneered in their time, so bringing them back today is just going flop.

In order to integrate the hit detection the content that is currently up on Classic is going to need to be remade, therefore backtracking us even further. Classic has had a lot of players since the switch and the majority of those players disappeared because of the lack of content, not because of the hit detection or lack of old content. Those are real players who have real interests in the server.

Originally Posted by contego

Apparently to you, Graal is logging on 24/7 and arguing with people.

That isn't what we do on Classic?

Originally Posted by contego

This thread is meant to be productive and you are asking questions only to belittle the responces. You're a pathetic fk. And your posts don't deserve any responces.

My posts are entirely valid, and if you think they're not because they disagree with your idea then that shows a lot about your maturity and credibility.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by contego

I went on Classic and sparred and had no issues. I didn't "suck" however the fact remains that Classic is no longer Classic with the tileset changed and the hit detection changed. I'm not here to insult anyone and Laura it's unfortunate you're trying to taking this conversation in a different direction. Let's keep this this forum constructive and focused on to the topic please.

im not trying to start fight either , its just clientside is pretty much the nearest thing from when the server was in us

[unknown]

ok honestly I am not wasting my time because anything I say you try to twist even though its true. These people do play more often than you think. Also, your safety blanket is the new classic, like how I twist things like you?

Please post that dictionary definition. Consistent on a video game is like 2 times a week...which all of these people have been on more than that this week.

The old quests are probably some of the best quests I have ever seen on graal, challenging, long, makes them into a real game, and the items you got were great.

All this work you talk of is current managements own doing. Everyone warned them long ago what would happen, and it did.

I barely read any of your nonsense, you really are just here to bicker, not have a debate. Like I said before, you don't even PLAY the game. Go look up PLAY in your handy dandy dictionary, I'm sure its not defined as: Sit, Idle, Talk, Argue.

[BlackSolider]

Two times a week is consistent? Looks like we have different definitions. I lean more towards 4 times a week or so.

And as for "not playing the game", really classic doesn't have anything to "play", nor does it offer much incentive to do the things we actually have, which is another one of our problems.

We chat with each other cause, well, thats what people do. We occasionally spar or PK (some more than others.) We play events when they are hosted (most of us.) We used to play cards when things were even. Some people even bowled or played the mini game system (think gameboy on graal) when they got released.

But, like I said, theres no real incentive to do many of these things. Our HD kills sparring/pking. Events are hosted off and on (low playercounts or offline GCs.) Card game has gone to hell. Bowling/MGS are boring after prolonged use.

Chatting is the only thing we can consistently do, since theres always something to talk about.

So yeah, we got some problems.

[MysticX2X]

It honestly depends on how busy you are outside of graal.

[contego]

Rufus,

I'm open to disagreements. You didn't disagree your first post was "saftey blanket". Then you went on to ask for a list that you got and then you basically threw it away to argue. I do not come on Graal to argue, which you admitted to doing. I enjoy the game and the company. If you have a valid point to make I certainly didn't see it.

This shouldn't even be a discussion. I openned the thread with a question and a poll. You did not respond to my question ever. You simply enjoy trying to initate an arguement and belittle others. You question my maturity and creditbility; I could careless your opinion of it. Simple as that. I'm here to play a game and I would like to see the game I started playing.

For example, if anyone played the orginal Final Fantasy. It still exsists. Its the original, it cant be changed. As Classic should not be. They however make new versions but never changed the original. Zodiac, Era, Graal Kingdoms, and Zone are good examples of Graal evolution. Classic should not have been changed though. Otherwise it isn't Classic. That is my arguement.

[unknown]

I am done trying to get through to rufus and his twists, it is what it is, and we will see the outcome. If nothing works out, you guys who play classic regularly should find a new home server IMO. And consistent on graal when you have a life is 2-4 times a week IMO. Good day.

[Gotenks_Gore]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Not one of these people are active players on Graal. Logging on once every other month is not active, and that kind of player is certainly not what Classic needs for a revivial, which I'm assuming you and Contego are trying to promote here.

december does play zodiac on a regular basis, but idk about the others

Originally Posted by unknown

I am done trying to get through to rufus and his twists, it is what it is, and we will see the outcome. If nothing works out, you guys who play classic regularly should find a new home server IMO. And consistent on graal when you have a life is 2-4 times a week IMO. Good day.

honestly if everyone ditched classic there wouldnt be anystaff left to try to fill in the hole that was made where classic is on the playerlist

[Minoc]

Does it really matter who's active at the moment?
I believe activity of some of these people would increase, and some old players would return, if the server will indeed be restored.

Also, I don't understand why content from 2000-2004 has to be modified in order to appeal to new players.
If uploaded, it would be seen as brand new content by new/more recent players. It would also help differentiate Classic from the other servers.

[-Albus]

Bring back the old levels and old hit detection and build off of that. While the old levels/quests have been seen by a lot of people before, it would be brand new content for quite a few players like Minoc said.

What once used the be THE server to play on is just a waste of space with absolutely nothing to do.