The Classic Lottery

[ffcmike]

Most of them are planned to be released in the not incredibly distant future anyway,
in the case of Batform and Love they are temporarily obtainable at specific times of the year (Autumn and Valentines), Bowling VIP Card is ofcourse winnable.

Originally Posted by Luda

This is the ***est reason to release npcs thor

Releasing NPCs is not the objective.

[Nataxo]

I bought 3 tickets yeah!

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

Batform
* LOVE *

Holiday NPCs are released in an attempt to encourage players to log on during them. The NPCs are then unavailable after the event in an attempt to promote a sense of rarity to the NPCs, and gratitude for logging on. When you promote that feeling of rewarding for logging on during events, it encourages players to log on with some regularity, if the holiday events are consistent. Why would you release holiday NPCs outside of the specific holiday, moreover why would anyone care? You're essentially removing their purpose and degrading them into random "fun" NPC that you can get from various methods.

Originally Posted by ffcmike

Life Time Bowling VIP Card

Why offer a lifetime bowling card if the player doesn't actually deserve it? Again, the lifetime bowling card was an attempt to reward players for actually participating in bowling and building up their skill. If all it takes to gain lifetime access is to have won a few events then you're degrading the purpose yet again.

Originally Posted by ffcmike

*Conch Shell

Is the Conch Shell going to unlock a couple of quests for the person who wins it or what? That's all it used to do, well, and make a horn noise. How wonderful.

Originally Posted by ffcmike

*Fireball
*SuperBomb

These are both rewards for quests. The Fireball quest is currently being worked on, why would you offer it as a prize in the lottery? It's undermining the development team, because it's all for naught if you can get the prize willy nilly from a lottery. In addition to this, will these prizes be disabled in events? One person having that kind of advantage doesn't really go well against the promotion of "fairness" that has gone on for years.

Originally Posted by ffcmike

*Shovel

I don't understand why you would release a Shovel before it had a few actual purposes. To then go on and release a few purposes for the Shovel at a later date will have the same effect as the Rat Form rat holes.

Originally Posted by ffcmike

*Torch

What is the point in having a Lantern and the Torch on the server?

Originally Posted by ffcmike

Morpher

So instead of readding the Morpher to the server because of a quest that you added, you're releasing it as a Lottery Prize? Lol.

Originally Posted by ffcmike

Most of them are planned to be released in the not incredibly distant future anyway

So what is the point in players buying tickets for the lottery? Be the first person to get the NPC? What happens when they're released via their appropriate distribution channels such as quests? Does the player get nothing for doing them, or is the quest just unavailable for them? It doesn't exactly make for interesting quests with basic adventure features such as backtracking if you've already got the NPC. This is so contrived and a pretty embarrassing cop-out to be honest.

[Luda]

Lottery Prize Suggestions:
-portable ctf
-portable bank
-portable horse
-portable bench (upgraded chair)
-portable mystic
-portable jail cell

[ffcmike]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Holiday NPCs are released in an attempt to encourage players to log on during them. The NPCs are then unavailable after the event in an attempt to promote a sense of rarity to the NPCs, and gratitude for logging on. When you promote that feeling of rewarding for logging on during events, it encourages players to log on with some regularity, if the holiday events are consistent. Why would you release holiday NPCs outside of the specific holiday, moreover why would anyone care? You're essentially removing their purpose and degrading them into random "fun" NPC that you can get from various methods.

The Lottery isn't exactly a give-away,
by the time these Holiday NPCs are available again maybe a handful of people may have earned them with this method, it's just a potential speedy method of obtaining it with the large risk of being empty handed, hardly degrading.

Originally Posted by Rufus

Why offer a lifetime bowling card if the player doesn't actually deserve it? Again, the lifetime bowling card was an attempt to reward players for actually participating in bowling and building up their skill. If all it takes to gain lifetime access is to have won a few events then you're degrading the purpose yet again.

Again, it's not like absolutely everyone is going to end up with this Weapon, but for those that do there's a chance it might encourage them to start Bowling again because there's no hassle of spending gelat towards lanes.

Originally Posted by Rufus

Is the Conch Shell going to unlock a couple of quests for the person who wins it or what? That's all it used to do, well, and make a horn noise. How wonderful.

This is just something that was planned for an eventual quick release anyway,
you wouldn't expect it to wow anyone under normal circumstances but this method gives the rarity factor to this item.

Originally Posted by Rufus

These are both rewards for quests. The Fireball quest is currently being worked on, why would you offer it as a prize in the lottery? It's undermining the development team, because it's all for naught if you can get the prize willy nilly from a lottery. In addition to this, will these prizes be disabled in events? One person having that kind of advantage doesn't really go well against the promotion of "fairness" that has gone on for years.

Again, just a speedier method of obtaining it before it becomes widespread,
DC has agreed with them being prizes so hardly undermining the Dev Team.
And yes it will be disabled within events.

Originally Posted by Rufus

I don't understand why you would release a Shovel before it had a few actual purposes. To then go on and release a few purposes for the Shovel at a later date will have the same effect as the Rat Form rat holes.

You could call it a portable bush,
i'm sure some people would appreciate that.

Originally Posted by Rufus

What is the point in having a Lantern and the Torch on the server?

The Torch is like an upgrade to the Lantern,
you can damage and burn other players with it,
and even spread fires across objects (bushes, signs, healthpots etc),
players on fire temporarily cannot use fire weapons.

Originally Posted by Rufus

So instead of readding the Morpher to the server because of a quest that you added, you're releasing it as a Lottery Prize? Lol.

Until it gets re-added, yes,
I don't see why that's funny.

Originally Posted by Rufus

So what is the point in players buying tickets for the lottery? Be the first person to get the NPC? What happens when they're released via their appropriate distribution channels such as quests? Does the player get nothing for doing them, or is the quest just unavailable for them? It doesn't exactly make for interesting quests with basic adventure features such as backtracking if you've already got the NPC. This is so contrived and a pretty embarrassing cop-out to be honest.

When the NPCs get released theres no reason Quests would be unavailable to them, if they choose not to go ahead with the Quest so be it, some might even prefer that, plus we can always make Chests reward seperate items to those already with the prize like Zelda.

[StrykerTFFD]

Originally Posted by ffcmike

portable bush

*snicker*

[Nataxo]

whats with the portable stuff?

[Rufus]

The prizes are collectively an excuse to release NPC's in an attempt to reduce the tickets in the economy, but I don't understand how that is justified when all you're essentially gaining is some kind of contrived bragging rights. I know some people who have wasted their tickets at current "just because" but I don't see how you expect players to be dumb enough to bid for items with their tickets on a constant basis that they can get for free in the future. To me, the lineup of quest items just looks like a substitute for lack of creativity.

Originally Posted by ffcmike

The Lottery isn't exactly a give-away,
by the time these Holiday NPCs are available again maybe a handful of people may have earned them with this method, it's just a potential speedy method of obtaining it with the large risk of being empty handed, hardly degrading.

Oh when you put it like that, it all makes so much sense. "You're essentially removing their purpose and degrading them into random "fun" NPC that you can get from various methods." They're holiday NPCs.

Originally Posted by ffcmike

Again, it's not like absolutely everyone is going to end up with this Weapon, but for those that do there's a chance it might encourage them to start Bowling again because there's no hassle of spending gelat towards lanes.

It's like adding the CTF Trophy or the Egg Hunt Trophy as a prize that you can win. You're being rewarded for having skill with things like this, winning a prize in a lottery is not a skill, nor does it reflect it.

Originally Posted by ffcmike

This is just something that was planned for an eventual quick release anyway,
you wouldn't expect it to wow anyone under normal circumstances but this method gives the rarity factor to this item.

You're expecting an NPC that only one person has first during a short amount of time (that does absolutely nothing of use) is going to hype the useless NPC up through some kind of boasting? What the hell?

Originally Posted by ffcmike

Again, just a speedier method of obtaining it before it becomes widespread,
DC has agreed with them being prizes so hardly undermining the Dev Team.
And yes it will be disabled within events.

"Hey guys, the development team aren't working fast enough so we're going to give you the opportunity to win the prize before it's out!"

That's essentially the message you're giving off here, because they're currently working on the quest. It's not even a type of teaser or a means of hyping the future quest, it's more like a spoiler. "This is what you're going to get in the new quest, get bidding yo!" I wasn't aware that quests were just a means of gathering items, and that's certainly not how most new players I talk to I see them. Quests are supposed to be an adventure, and somehow the mystical Fireball and Superbomb NPCs have shown up in the castle, but if you don't win them it doesn't matter because it's ALSO in a quest? Right.

Originally Posted by ffcmike

You could call it a portable bush,
i'm sure some people would appreciate that.

Not seeing the humor here.

Originally Posted by ffcmike

The Torch is like an upgrade to the Lantern,
you can damage and burn other players with it,
and even spread fires across objects (bushes, signs, healthpots etc),
players on fire temporarily cannot use fire weapons.

How does a Torch upgrade into a Lantern?

Originally Posted by ffcmike

Until it gets re-added, yes,
I don't see why that's funny.

Because it's a cop-out?

Originally Posted by ffcmike

When the NPCs get released theres no reason Quests would be unavailable to them, if they choose not to go ahead with the Quest so be it, some might even prefer that, plus we can always make Chests reward seperate items to those already with the prize like Zelda.

If you're going to release additional NPCs in quests as a replacement for an item that you bought in the lottery, why don't you just add those NPCs to the lottery? Why would someone choose not to do a quest if the quest prize was something that they had purchased from the lottery? "It doesn't exactly make for interesting quests with basic adventure features such as backtracking if you've already got the NPC." I don't see how that logic is "like Zelda" either.

[BlackSolider]

Guess its impossible to please everyone.

[Shadow87]

I honestly didn't bother reading what Rufus had to say.

But all of this really just confirms for me this is just a dumb excuse to have people spend tickets.

I much prefer new GC prizes.

So two things.
Location = sucks, i hate going to the castle thats just me though, keep that in mind.
Prizes = Well i have a couple of those, not to interesting of a prize list to say the least.

And glad it IS possible to please everyone, but also this is how games go. Developers stick to how they want to make the game, the structure, the story, everything else to it, and they make it.

They don't take player suggestions/ideas, or playermade stuff. They make it all themselves because that is their job, and the ending product is a full game.

This is what i suggest dev do, because this stuff really is just getting pathetic, and thor i really mean no offense to you I know you are trying, that shows. But stop listening to us really, now i see it just isn't helping lol. I think you and storm need to have a sit down and really discuss what has to be done now. Create a structure to classic, get a basis and you two can go from there.

And remember, its yours and storms decision what happens with classic, DC is basically your *****, yes he can have ideas and such, but if you look at it from the view that you and storm are the managers, what you say goes right?
So again, create a story, make content based off that story, go from there, or go from whatever you have. But this stuff like the card game, and the lottery, it just isnt like the old classic and i think the best thing to do is get to that point again. This might not make sense, but hopefully Thor can get it.

[MysticX2X]

The thing about releases is that they don't please everyone. The lottery is there as an attempt to clean up tickets. If you're unsatisfied with the items, you don't necessarily have to buy a ticket or even acknowledge the lottery. It's something to look forward to on Classic at least, and better than do nothing.

Though in the end, I think Storm's idea probably was the most ideal one to go with (Thread is somewhere in the first or second page of the Classic forum).

[Luda]

Originally Posted by Shadow87

STUFFZ

wh0z 1d3a wuz dis?

1t was th0rz 1d3ait was Thor's idea
no 1 sU6635t3d it no one suggested it
no 1 @s|<3d 4 it no one asked for it
no 1 bUm][D3d as|<1n6 4 it no one bumped asking for it
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so why would u somehow conclude that they should stop listening to us and start doing their own thing, which they're doing anyway

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by Luda

wh0z 1d3a wuz dis?

1t was th0rz 1d3ait was Thor's idea
no 1 sU6635t3d it no one suggested it
no 1 @s|<3d 4 it no one asked for it
no 1 bUm][D3d as|<1n6 4 it no one bumped asking for it
$0 w|-|¥ 7|-|3 w0U1|) u $0|\/|3|-|0w c0|\|c1U|)3 7|-|47 7|-|3¥ $|-|0U1|) $70|> 1!$73|\|!|\|g 70 U$ 4|\||) $74r7 |)0!|\|g 7|-|3!r 0w|\| 7|-|!|\|g w|-|!c|-| 7|-|3¥r3 |)0!|\|g 4|\|¥w4¥
so why would u somehow conclude that they should stop listening to us and start doing their own thing, which they're doing anyway

*lol*

[Shadow87]

Because they are telling us they are listening, and trying to, but failing miserably at it. So instead, thor and storm need to take the reigns, think of an idea, stick to it, and start barking orders and manage the real way.

Development is there to create their image.

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by Luda

wh0z 1d3a wuz dis?

1t was th0rz 1d3ait was Thor's idea
no 1 sU6635t3d it no one suggested it
no 1 @s|<3d 4 it no one asked for it
no 1 bUm][D3d as|<1n6 4 it no one bumped asking for it
$0 w|-|¥ 7|-|3 w0U1|) u $0|\/|3|-|0w c0|\|c1U|)3 7|-|47 7|-|3¥ $|-|0U1|) $70|> 1!$73|\|!|\|g 70 U$ 4|\||) $74r7 |)0!|\|g 7|-|3!r 0w|\| 7|-|!|\|g w|-|!c|-| 7|-|3¥r3 |)0!|\|g 4|\|¥w4¥
so why would u somehow conclude that they should stop listening to us and start doing their own thing, which they're doing anyway

A ticket solution was suggested for a long time.


@Tats: Thanks for making Dev sound like some slave tool.