Suggestion Thread: Let's get down to some specifics.

[Luda]

If they haven't been hosted in 6 months then why would anyone play it. Stupid.

[weeway]

People only play CTF and sumo so some events that havent been hosted would be good

[xnervNATx]

maybe they are not hosted because they ****

[BlackSolider]

We have several dozen events that we can actually host.

The problem is, we have less than half a dozen events that enough people will actually join.

The low playercount certainly doesn't help. The fact that tickets are worthless doesn't help. The poor HDs dont help. The lagging/leaving games doesn't help.

All in all, GCs can only host about 6 events because people don't join other events for a variety of reasons.

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

We have several dozen events that we can actually host.

I have a hard time believing that.

[jacob_bald6225]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

I have a hard time believing that.

If we had proper GCs we'd have an infinite number of events to be hosted.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by jacob_bald6225

If we had proper GCs we'd have an infinite number of events to be hosted.

so true

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by jacob_bald6225

If we had proper GCs we'd have an infinite number of events to be hosted.

No, we wouldn't.

[jacob_bald6225]

Originally Posted by Rufus

No, we wouldn't.

Yes we would, events aren't about fully scripted levels it is about having enough creativity to turn preset levels and tools in to games. The GC team only seems to want to host fully scripted levels like in the GC studios which limits their creativity in hosting events.

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by jacob_bald6225

If we had proper GCs we'd have an infinite number of events to be hosted.

That is not true at all. All our GC's try their best to host events, but Classic events are old, and nobody seems to enjoy them anymore.

Nobody seems to realize Classic's events are outdated. We have had on average 1-2 new events added per year (not counting new levels to current events). New events/events system is really what Classic needs. Reducing ticket count surely will not get many people playing events again, that much for sure.

I'm anticipating some stupid reply as that the tool gives GC's an abundant amount of resources to host events. It really doesn't.

[fragman85]

I am new on Classic, but what I've seen is that property is useless on Classic.. x_X


Like Gralats, Tickets, etc. All USELESS, I think that's the main problem.

On Era it's about having the best guns.
On Zodiac about having the most level 60s and the best swords.
On UN it's about having the most Event-Items.
On Classic it's about... about what?

[BlackSolider]

Ctf.

[Kamaeru]

There used to be a massive amount of useful items to collect on the server in the not so distant past.

The idea is having items that are literally useful instead of having a number or rarity attached to them.. like the hookshot to get across a certain spot or an item that allows you to finish a certain quest.

This gives the player a sense of real accomplishment in an item that every player can enjoy equally.

Unfortunately, there are very few of these items for the player to collect now. What's even worse is that some items are implemented with no strategy whatsoever as to what trials the player must go through to collect it, what areas it will now allow the player to access, and what sort of quest the item will allow the player to complete.

I call it stagnation. We have a game that at one point was a complete (or near it) game for players to enjoy whether or not that had done it before, played Zelda before, or were looking for other types of experiences. Now, we have a clean slate. There is a big game that still needs to be developed here.

If you think about it this way... it's actually good news for a person like me!
I think proper implementation of interactive elements on Classic could very well garner more players--because who in their right mind can resist a good Zelda romp?
(It is a much more appealing idea to me, personally, than whatever the new top-selling game from EA is on the Xbox 360, for example.)

Zelda is a much better concept for a game than any other one out there. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak. So why must this game be failing?

If Classic were carefully made into a good game from the bad game that it is, I find it very hard to believe that people will play it less than they do now.
Unfortunately, many people are pessimistic about that idea.

[xnervNATx]

having me with 680 tickets show how slow classic has been

[Cetellic]

Back when we had a better playercount GCs still seldom hosted outside of a variety of events.

That's honestly what killed it, no plot or strategy, just aimless hosting of popular events. I've been saying this for a long time but I see too much "requests" and event cancellation. Rufus is right but it doesn't help if the GCs themselves are killing the community's will to participate. Even if I were to spring back into active hosting I got hell to work with - dead server, HD bs, plus a nerf on event participation, time to put the gloves on and get to work.

[BlackSolider]

To most people, whats more fun? Fortbuilder, sumo, and ctf, or musical chairs, infection, and horse race?

Now obviously the later can be fun as well, but usually not as fun to the majority of people. Otherwise they would join them more often. At least thats what I see.

GCs need to host a balance of "popular" events and "nonpopular" events, but right now its tough with the aforementioned problems.

[jorollychu]

horse race sucks maybe if the horses werent retarded and more like mario kart we'd care

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by jorollychu

horse race sucks maybe if the horses werent retarded and more like mario kart we'd care

horse race is good , the horse are not retarded , its the person that control them.

[fragman85]

Ok.

From what I've seen people that play Classic, want that everybody got the same chances to win.

Like in a Spar they want after someone wins/loses that the only one he can blame is himself. (I know there's always lag... )

I don't know if people would like such items, but I thought a little about some items that could be sold for a lot (depending on how much tickets people got these days):

-Stealth - "Get Invisible for 2 Minutes, a cooldown of 10 Minutes, you can't PK while stealthed also this is not useable in Events."

I know this may sound "Zodiac-Like" (Maloria-Like actually), but isn't it fun to follow 3-4 people listening to them talking about stuff without them knowing?

-Guild-Chat-Spy - Be able to Listen to the Chat of a Guild for a period of time, large cooldown.

I don't know if Classic people will like this, :o

I've got a lot of other ideas, I am just not sure how people on Classic think, please tell me what you think about those two ideas, just as examples.

[Cetellic]

GCs need to know how to use unpopular events to their advantage. 90% of the time when I host the event is not popular, but everything still clicks.

[BlackSolider]

@ frag

They just made changes where nicknames no longer appear under bushes, so in essence thats 'low tech' stealth npcs.

We don't have guild wars right now, so a chat spy would be sort of pointless at this time. Not bad though.

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by Cetellic

GCs need to know how to use unpopular events to their advantage. 90% of the time when I host the event is not popular, but everything still clicks.

It is not the deal with GC's hosting a variety of events. In fact, all of them try to. You seem to think everything is possible with a "right GC" despite the several externalities.

You have your head too far up your you know what.


Also, tickets are not 99 percent of the problem. **** I wont even say it's more than half of the problem with events right now. As Gladius has said, the toggable HD's is one, and our lack of new events is well another but nobody seems to agree.

[Cetellic]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

It is not the deal with GC's hosting a variety of events. In fact, all of them try to. You seem to think everything is possible with a "right GC" despite the several externalities.

You have your head too far up your you know what.

You say they "try to" but state hosting a variety of events isn't a problem, in that case why are they "trying" they should be "doing". I've already demonstrated it's possible tons of times, how is my head too far up my *blank*?

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by Cetellic

You say they "try to" but state hosting a variety of events isn't a problem, in that case why are they "trying" they should be "doing". I've already demonstrated it's possible tons of times, how is my head too far up my *blank*?

When I have said trying to, that meant an attempt. Most weren't successful because people simply don't enjoy events like those anymore, or people just don't have patience anymore when they are introduced to other servers with a much more flexible events system. You're just someone like Tatsumi who believes everything in the world can be done with a "proper GC" when that isn't the case at all.You failed at hosting old events or your quick mock-up events so I have no clue where you are getting at.

Gladius, I do realize there are constantly new additions to events. However, I also pointed out that renovations of events doesn't necessarily count as a new event. I have yet to see Clel release his events or even post on the GC boards of new events he released. Our event system right now is plain and boring, though that's what everyone wants it to be to remain "Classic".

[Cetellic]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

When I have said trying to, that meant an attempt.

I took it as attempt but fail, moreover how are they attempting but failing to host a variety of events when variety of events ain't a problem.

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Most weren't successful because people simply don't enjoy events like those anymore, or people just don't have patience anymore when they are introduced to other servers with a much more flexible events system.

Yeah that does play a factor, I'll let you have that, but that shouldn't skewer you out of hosting a variety of events.

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

You're just someone like Tatsumi who believes everything in the world can be done with a "proper GC" when that isn't the case at all.You failed at hosting old events or your quick mock-up events so I have no clue where you are getting at.

That's not what I think, but since I "seem to think" it or whatever I'll let it go. On the other hand my old-school events and mock-up events worked pretty well. They surely failed in your eyes though, which is fine, everyone has rights to their opinion.

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Gladius, I do realize there are constantly new additions to events. However, I also pointed out that renovations of events doesn't necessarily count as a new event. I have yet to see Clel release his events or even post on the GC boards of new events he released. Our event system right now is plain and boring, though that's what everyone wants it to be to remain "Classic".

From my standpoint you've seen the levels, so I thought you'd just know you can use those levels at your own dismay, or would atleast ask me level names so you could possibly make use of the levels. I'm completely fine with GCs using the levels, and I'll post on the boards that they're released to make them more inviting I guess.

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by Cetellic

I took it as attempt but fail, moreover how are they attempting but failing to host a variety of events when variety of events ain't a problem.

I say that because the GC team does try to host a variety of events at times. However, I said hosting a variety isn't the problem because you are saying the current GC's are incapable of hosting those events when they really aren't. The events you may refer to are old, and not up with newer age events in which other servers have already shined upon the graal community.

Yeah that does play a factor, I'll let you have that, but that shouldn't skewer you out of hosting a variety of events.

Those are reasons as to why players don't join your idea of a "variety of events".

[quoteThat's not what I think, but since I "seem to think" it or whatever I'll let it go. On the other hand my old-school events and mock-up events worked pretty well. They surely failed in your eyes though, which is fine, everyone has rights to their opinion.[/quote]
I'm not sure about old school events but I usually don't see player participation high in any events, including yours. You can't call a 2-4 player participated old event a successful one.

What I am getting at is that you shouldn't down the current GC team because it partly isn't their fault for why players dont participate. The curriculum of events is getting old and boring on Classic, and players don't see need to play while there are other servers which offer more aesthetics in their events.

[BlackSolider]

@ mystic.

I think the events we have are solid enough (hell they've worked for 4 years) and slowly a few are added. Most don't get hosted enough to be "old" or "worn out" (obviously a few do.)

Rufus, and a few others, have talked about remaking several of our events. I think he was fixing up fortbuilder (new blocks), but I don't know what became of that project.

Clel has recently added his events with a larger access room as well, so we do have some new events. I made levels recently for 3 of my events, and was working on another. DC, rufus, jade, and myself each contributed to the KoM large event. So it's not like new events aren't being made now adays. True, we could use some more, but then again, if people aren't joining events (or logging on at all,) no amount of new events will help.

I see what you're saying though. Requests usually range from: ctf, fortbuilder, sumo, pictionary, babord lms, allstar. Not a very long list. Perhaps some new events could throw some fun back into classic, rather than "same old events day after day".

[fragman85]

Era does get as much new events as Classic.

And yet everybody plays Events, why is that?

[Cetellic]

Era has tons of content aside from events, so players can get settled in. As a GC LAT though I'm stuck to events, I can't make content for players outside of events else I would be.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Cetellic

Era has tons of content aside from events, so players can get settled in. As a GC LAT though I'm stuck to events, I can't make content for players outside of events else I would be.

Apply for (or move to) dev then?

[Cetellic]

LAT was the job I really wanted, I applied for LAT numerous times before I became GC. And I applied to LAT twice after being GC. After that I just assumed I'd never get it, (I barely even got hired on GC from my understanding).

I did get testing rights on xiahou, which have been upgraded a bit, and I am GC LAT now though a sloppy scripter, so I don't think I'd be becoming a dev anytime soon and will make the best out of what I got.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by Cetellic

LAT was the job I really wanted, I applied for LAT numerous times before I became GC. And I applied to LAT twice after being GC. After that I just assumed I'd never get it, (I barely even got hired on GC from my understanding).

I did get testing rights on xiahou, which have been upgraded a bit, and I am GC LAT now though a sloppy scripter, so I don't think I'd be becoming a dev anytime soon and will make the best out of what I got.

if you want to be a dev ask thoror wd , sloppy scripter , but event are fun lol

[MysticX2X]

I meant other servers have more functional events than Classic development wise to make them look better.

[Cetellic]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

I attempted a "Make Your Spar" a few days ago and only had 1 person wanting to play (Despite 8-10 ventrues doing their monthly spar tournament. Prolly bad timing). I host musical chairs once in a while to get out of the trend, but then again, that event is really boring if pk isn't on. Maybe it's not in my overall trend to host the unpopular events, but then again, they have reason to be unpopular.

Yeah if they're doing their monthly you expect them to play, you gotta be smart about it if you want to get anywhere.

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

No one simply finds enjoyment from altercations of current events, nor is that innovative, nor do people find the patience for an original event with extensive customary rules.

I get players, I finish events, and mine are altercations-innotive-and sometimes have extensive customary rules... so where are you at?

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Well, not in the sense of limited player events. I was specifically referring to events such as spar tournies, or LMS' of all kinds. A 4 player event on a 30+ server just makes player participation sad, and yet there are so many wanting to apply for GC .

I've seen Drunken Stupor hosted on a 45 playercount, must've been a pretty BIG mistake, I'm pretty sure that GC got a good talking to by Night over that major crisis!

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

And Drunken Stupor doesn't require a 4 playercount cap. It can go up to 6+ players if there is demand.

Standard Drunken Stupor is four max, take it or leave it.

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

But Night doesn't provide up to date resources.

It doesnt take up to date resources so no johns.

Seriously this isn't even worth it - yeah that's right, I'm about to start making complaints that this isn't challenging enough, if you're not going to be level headed about it atleast put up a fight, otherwise I don't see the point.

[BlackSolider]

Both of you shush. GCs are free to host what they want, how they want to. If a GC wants to host an "off-brand" event (different than an event out of the main circle) when he has a right to, though he shouldn't expect the amount of players to be all that great (not saying it can't be.)

If a GC doesn't want to host "off-brand" events that much, he doesn't have to. Should a GC try and switch it up? Definitely. GCs need to find a balance between "main stream" (ctf, fortbuilder, sumo,etc.,) "outside the main circle" (infection, horse race, pk fest, etc.,) and "off-brand" (bush wars, predator and prey, kill the GC, etc.) Obviously the majority of players are going to join "main stream" events more consistently than "off-brand", but a GC has every right to try and host them nonetheless.

Oh and ps: hosting a 4 player event (drunken stupor) on a 45 playercount is disgusting. People barely have a reason to log on right now, and even less of a reason to join events. Try and host events that get as many people as possible who want to play. With that being said, don't try to force events that need X number on a shaky playercount. Currently I find that many events I have to wait for 5 minutes or so to fill the final spot. What happened to the good old days when you'd get 12 pms for a 8 man spar tournament

[Kill]

hosting a 4 player event (drunken stupor) on a 45 playercount is disgusting.

Couldn't agree more.
I think I know who you're talking about who does this, he is not a GC for the right reasons; only for his personal reasons, which is disgusting in itself.

[MysticX2X]

Well clel, my make your spar was an example. It was a 43 player count with only a few willing people busy. That is what I am talking about. As to the altercations point, I haven't seen those fly too well. Are you trying to say that we don't need new events because our current resources are already fine despite people now calling Classic events boring? I hope you're seriously acting stupid because having the same stuff forever and ever just won't make event participation go up. Up to date resources is a must for most servers. Other servers are heavily upgrading their events with a higher caliber, yet Classic remains the same for the past god knows how many years in their events. It's not evens only though.

Gladius, the problem is the players don't join the events that aren't hosted much. I guess you can figure out why they aren't hosted much.

[Cetellic]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

People barely have a reason to log on right now, and even less of a reason to join events. Try and host events that get as many people as possible who want to play.

Yeah... you don't know what you're talking about... I dont know why you even bothered.

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Are you trying to say that we don't need new events because our current resources are already fine despite people now calling Classic events boring?

*facepalm* I'm officially done here folks, good day.

[BlackSolider]

Originally Posted by Cetellic

Yeah... you don't know what you're talking about... I dont know why you even bothered.

Rofl. Your arrogance is really something. If there are 40 people on (however unlikely,) a GC should host an event to get as many people involved as possible, like an LMS event. Hosting an LMS event lets everyone willing join, and thus people aren't left out.

Say you host allstar with 40 people online. Realistically you're only going to summon 8 people (since you'd have to get exactly 16 people to make it work well otherwise,) and thus possibly leave some people out. So while a dozen people or so are off having fun (maybe,) another dozen people or so are sitting on the overworld doing nothing. At that point, what compels them to stay on the server? Right now, very little.

All I'm saying is that you host to your playercount. If the playercount is shaky, don't try to host an 8 player event, because right now we're only getting 5-6 people usually. If the playercount is solid, host a 10-12 person event. If the playercount is high, host an event that lets everyone play. It's pretty lame when you're sitting on the overworld while all your friends are in an event you wanted to join but couldn't.

Anyways feel free to explain yourself if you find it worth your oh-so-valuable time.

[Shadow87]

Although that is true Gladius, sometimes you want to leave some people out, because if you are a GOOD GC , then you plan on hosting again, and again, atleast 5 times until your going to go off tag. So when you host one event, and people get left out, they know to wait for the next one, and be even faster to send in than they were the last time!

Sure throw in an all server LMS or a 32 man allstar, if you can, but you don't want to get packed out events every time, imagine the lag.

Now a days it would be nice to host to player count though considering we dont have a big one to often. But you GC guys also need to up your game a bit to, you may not have a big player count all the time, but i remember when i was GC we still didnt have that great of player count, and sometimes we had it real low, but there were some of us always hosting, 10 people on, Ok, am going to host a strain of events in studio A!! Or GC will take turns, you guys dont do this anymore, Ive really noticed that the bond the GC team used to have just went away and is no longer there.