Fluffing Mouse Click!

[DustyPorViva]

To those who keep saying "you have the option to do it too, so either do it or stop complaining," I'd just like to say:
The key to an online game is balance. For one option, the other option has to be equally fair, or try to be. On an RPG game, there could be one race that is way more powerful than the next... now to all the other races, they constantly die to that powerful race, and they complain. Sure, some would say, "you have the option to be that race, so it's fair"... is a dumb logic. In that case everyone would have to be that race just so the game would be fair, so why give the option of other races? So in the end, the logical solution would be to balance out the more powerful race with the others. The same applies here, just because it's possible for everyone to do doesn't make it fair. It should be balanced with the other options of control... or deleted.

[Switch]

2/3 or 1/2 damage?

[Frieza]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

To those who keep saying "you have the option to do it too, so either do it or stop complaining," I'd just like to say:
The key to an online game is balance. For one option, the other option has to be equally fair, or try to be. On an RPG game, there could be one race that is way more powerful than the next... now to all the other races, they constantly die to that powerful race, and they complain. Sure, some would say, "you have the option to be that race, so it's fair"... is a dumb logic. In that case everyone would have to be that race just so the game would be fair, so why give the option of other races? So in the end, the logical solution would be to balance out the more powerful race with the others. The same applies here, just because it's possible for everyone to do doesn't make it fair. It should be balanced with the other options of control... or deleted.

good analogie, its like imagine if they sddenly gve era 8 directions, all the era players who have become awesome in 4d shooting would complain, well zone has just been driven to 12 directions so 8d users, standing by the TRUE zone fighting style, are obv complaining.

[Knight]

Originally Posted by UnknownMasterMind

I hear you say, that since everyone can do it, its fair. I want to know if you played Zone before mouse clicking, and if so how long? (After you answer this, I will tell you why it is relevant.)

The reason we are mad, is it changes the general gameplay of Zone, from the old to a newer easier way of fighting. And this isn't the first change to Zone that we have disagreed with, I personally just don't want them to change it anymore, they have changed alot already, and one thing I don't want is this, changes in gameplay, and combat.

Yeah I started Zone a few months after it came out but I mainly just went around shooting people and didn't get into it much, and after that I played on and off. I got pretty good but I never actually ever update my gold subscription on one account I always buy a new account so it was always changing. I was gone for 6 months from Zone and came back recently on my other account Quake because of the new weird subscriptions. I click occasionally on and off and it isn't that different. When someone is clicking me I just strafe or avoid them and shoot from far back, maybe pull out mags or double shot... I am doing just fine.

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

To those who keep saying "you have the option to do it too, so either do it or stop complaining," I'd just like to say:
The key to an online game is balance. For one option, the other option has to be equally fair, or try to be. On an RPG game, there could be one race that is way more powerful than the next... now to all the other races, they constantly die to that powerful race, and they complain. Sure, some would say, "you have the option to be that race, so it's fair"... is a dumb logic. In that case everyone would have to be that race just so the game would be fair, so why give the option of other races? So in the end, the logical solution would be to balance out the more powerful race with the others. The same applies here, just because it's possible for everyone to do doesn't make it fair. It should be balanced with the other options of control... or deleted.

OK I am sorry but the mentality it took to say that... Where is your logic? You cannot compare races to the ability to click and shoot...? Honestly, where did this come from? People can click, on other games when you try to be another race it usually either requires something special OR there are tactics to each race. This is adding a different element to the game that apparently some cannot handle, it is a different type of shooting that you can do as is there are no requirements but the ability to move your mouse. It is fine, maybe we should delete you instead? This is honestly getting outrageous...

[Frieza]

Originally Posted by Knight

Yeah I started Zone a few months after it came out but I mainly just went around shooting people and didn't get into it much, and after that I played on and off. I got pretty good but I never actually ever update my gold subscription on one account I always buy a new account so it was always changing. I was gone for 6 months from Zone and came back recently on my other account Quake because of the new weird subscriptions. I click occasionally on and off and it isn't that different. When someone is clicking me I just strafe or avoid them and shoot from far back, maybe pull out mags or double shot... I am doing just fine.







OK I am sorry but the mentality it took to say that... Where is your logic? You cannot compare races to the ability to click and shoot...? Honestly, where did this come from? People can click, on other games when you try to be another race it usually either requires something special OR there are tactics to each race. This is adding a different element to the game that apparently some cannot handle, it is a different type of shooting that you can do as is there are no requirements but the ability to move your mouse. It is fine, maybe we should delete you instead? This is honestly getting outrageous...

1. you do not, and can not understand our point if you do not have or understand our fighting style which is pretty much natural to us long term players, so you really have no say since my argument dosent include you

2. im pretty sure mouse click hasent been out that long

3 you can compare it to races because its a style of fighting just as a race/abilities would be, its the same princaple, you act asif your smart but really you have no clue what your on about. mouse click has ruined zone and if you didnt even know what zone was like beforehand then shut up acting asif you did, it obviosly can not concern you. idiot.

[DustyPorViva]

You can easily compare races to control. Why? Because they are decisions in an online game that can control the outcome of your avatar. In this case, one of the decisions leads to an unbalanced gameplay... thus, just like an unbalanced race in an RPG, one of the options has to be balanced out. If the mouse movement mimicked keyboard movement, then it would just be 'the ability to move with your mouse", but it's not; there is a clear advantage of choosing one over the other. And in standard online game management, telling everyone to choose the best option because they can is not the solution, they should just fix it. By the by, you said it yourself, it is a different element of the game, and every element should at least be attempted to be balanced.
Also, nice touch with the whole delete me bit, I haven't heard that one before! You really know how to back up your statements.

[firefury]

Look. Guys, i RARELY, and i mean reaallly rarely go to these stupid forum things. but this mouse clicking, is bull****. Every god darn time i try to right click someone to see their profile i shoot them... Its so god damn annoying. It totally ruins every tactic known to zone.

~Peace.

[Frieza]

Originally Posted by firefury

Look. Guys, i RARELY, and i mean reaallly rarely go to these stupid forum things. but this mouse clicking, is bull****. Every god darn time i try to right click someone to see their profile i shoot them... Its so god damn annoying. It totally ruins every tactic known to zone.

~Peace.

i hate to blow you out like this but you can turn it off in the shop XD

[jkool666]

Originally Posted by Knight

Blah Blah Blah I'm still argueing for mouse clicking

Do you even read?

Originally Posted by jkool666

*Sighs*
Zone is a game where you can shoot in 8 different directions. Thats the point of zone, a 2D game where every single player (no matter what game controller they use) can shoot 8 ways. Well sorry, people who use mouse have the option of shooting 12 different ways giving them an extremely unfair advantage.

How many people here have heard of a game that gives benefits based on what type of controller you use? Sounds kinda stupid if you ask me...

That was on page 4, and I'm sorry, but to be blunt.... that post completely pwns your side of the arguement. Unless your an idiot, you can't disagree with the logic I have stated.

[Frieza]

all in all i think mouse click is pretty unpopuler, and hopefully will be ABOLISHED! stupid mouse clicking nazis!

[Knight]

Thanks Frieza misquoting me must be a hobby of yours? Of course I understand your fighting style, you just won't accept any opinion that doesn't go along with yours. Of course mouse click hasn't been out that long, we all know that but it has been a bit. There is no way they can be compared to races, not to mention you're letting this spark up tension between us. This is a debate not an argument, keep it clean.

[DustyPorViva]

Heh, keep it clean, a debate not an argument? Aren't you the one who mentioned deleting me because you didn't agree with what I said(which I had said nothing directly to anyone about anything)?

[Tracker180]

Originally Posted by jkool666

Do you even read?

That was on page 4, and I'm sorry, but to be blunt.... that post completely pwns your side of the arguement. Unless your an idiot, you can't disagree with the logic I have stated.

he doesn't and he is

[anubis_wing]

Originally Posted by Knight

Thanks Frieza misquoting me must be a hobby of yours? Of course I understand your fighting style, you just won't accept any opinion that doesn't go along with yours. Of course mouse click hasn't been out that long, we all know that but it has been a bit. There is no way they can be compared to races, not to mention you're letting this spark up tension between us. This is a debate not an argument, keep it clean.

You are a complete hipocrit, you refuse to accept any opinion that isn't yours and what's more you make pitiful arguements.
What Dusty said was an incredibly accurate analogy (bravo) and what you said showed how absolutely tiny your mind is. He wasn't saying they were the exact same thing it's what they represent.

I'll explain the analogy so your tiny little mind MAY understand it. Mouse clicking is the overpowered race, it's available to everyone, but people like to be diverse and try something else. When the people who like to try something else are tired of the overpowered race and complain, the people who don't want the overpowered*ness* race to change they say "Well if you say it's so overpowered, then why don't you be one so you can't complain" thus defeating the purpose of any other races i.e Styles of fighting. This was his point.

By the way, the mouse click shooting has been out for about 2 weeks.

[Switch]

Originally Posted by Frieza

he proberly got it from his highly intelectual one on one private chats with 12 year olds...in his bedroom

I dislike you to a great extent. 12 year olds aren't dumb like you talk about them being. Yes, they may be less intelligent, but they aren't dumb. Take it from someone who is 12 and is doing the same math work his sister is, and she's in 9th grade and he's in 7th grade.

anywhodles dusty is right, her analogie mde perfect sence.

DAMN RIGHT DUSTY'S RIGHT! And even the "dumb people" understand the damn analogie

Originally Posted by Knight

Thanks Frieza misquoting me must be a hobby of yours? Of course I understand your fighting style, you just won't accept any opinion that doesn't go along with yours. Of course mouse click hasn't been out that long, we all know that but it has been a bit. There is no way they can be compared to races, not to mention you're letting this spark up tension between us. This is a debate not an argument, keep it clean.

This is coming from the mind of a 5 year old that knows how to talk like a 17 year old.