Whats up Graal gold?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Oh NOW it is...but when I had debug and my p2p ran out they dumped me.

Times ever changing

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Sam

Times ever changing

Never in my favor though.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Never in my favor though.

It happens.

[kenyonandelliot]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Oh NOW it is...but when I had debug and my p2p ran out they dumped me.

That means that you can come back now.

[myth-simba]

We were promised so many things and none of them came true.
and the ones that did weren't so great.
Where is this revolutionary flying system hmm?
Instead of working on something as great and beneficial to all servers like so you work on Graal 3D which is a waste of time considering there are bigger and better games inclusing world of warcraft, pirate king online and so many other big titles. Graal 3D does not stand a chance.

Want to know why us players travelled to graal? Because it was a different game from the others and a change in gaming experience and now you are trying to phase this out and compete with a bigger and better game genre which frankly you do not have the experience or funding to manage.
If you staff guys seriously think graal is capable of such a change then good luck but monthly subscriptions ain't gonna get you far if you neglect everything and work on a one project a time scedule. Where are the things such as pay item shops? downloadable expansion packs and even subscription priviledges? Graal is dead on its arse and unless an experienced determined and motivated person comes along it will remain that way.

Seriously guys we only want something new. Personally at the moment i have been playing a new game and you know what they did? they released an expansion pack for free which over 50+ bug fixes and over 100 new npc and 45 new set items! and lots of new levels and it is free to play. and they are scedules to release a new expansion pack only jsut a month after it was released. So tell me graal...what exactly are you doing for us?

Lets make a little game of our own about this.
Answer this guys..
1) What are you doing for us?
2) Why should we actually stay?
3) How far along are you with your latest projects?

If you can answer these questions and not cacoon us in a web of lies as usual then i suppose i may just stick around a little longer.
I mean i know having your game go downhill on you must be bad for you staff as well but lets face it. Us subscribers are the reason you have a game at all and we demand a lot more on offer.

In the meantime i'm going back to pirate king online. So uhm i suppose those questions will be completed by hmm next year?

[Pimmeh]

I am afraid I agree with Myth-Simba.
I loved graal Kingdoms when it was full of players who RPed, PKed and did dungeons together. Now I never saw more then 20 persons online In the few weeks that I've been playing again. Even Zodiac has more players and then i dont coutn the trials.
Zone does it right. A decent playerbase and a fun concept. Graal Kingdoms stayed the same since I started playing with my first p2p account and the only reason I am still playing is because it is the only game in which I can express my creativity (Thank god Valikorlia still lives) and make my own world.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by myth-simba

We were promised so many things and none of them came true.
and the ones that did weren't so great.
Where is this revolutionary flying system hmm?

I don't know why you're so hostile - you always have been. It really irritates me.

Originally Posted by myth-simba

Instead of working on something as great and beneficial to all servers like so you work on Graal 3D which is a waste of time considering there are bigger and better games inclusing world of warcraft, pirate king online and so many other big titles. Graal 3D does not stand a chance.

You don't know what they're working on. How do you know they're not working on updates for the game engine as a whole?

Also, as a side not - I imagine Graal 3D will be customizable in much of the same fashion as Graal 2D is... player content, etc.

Originally Posted by myth-simba

Want to know why us players travelled to graal? Because it was a different game from the others and a change in gaming experience

Graal is only different because of it's rudimentary graphics style, and player generated content - what makes this different from games like Second Life is that, instead of making for the individual, the game has been made for the masses.

Originally Posted by myth-simba

now you are trying to phase this out and compete with a bigger and better game genre which frankly you do not have the experience or funding to manage.

How old are you? Not old enough to have a business degree, or a education in economy.

So, really, where do you get off saying this trash?

Originally Posted by myth-simba

If you staff guys seriously think graal is capable of such a change then good luck but monthly subscriptions ain't gonna get you far if you neglect everything and work on a one project a time scedule. Where are the things such as pay item shops? downloadable expansion packs and even subscription priviledges? Graal is dead on its arse and unless an experienced determined and motivated person comes along it will remain that way.

I'm getting the sneaking suspicion you're inadvertently trying to plug yourself here.

Originally Posted by myth-simba

Seriously guys we only want something new. Personally at the moment i have been playing a new game and you know what they did? they released an expansion pack for free which over 50+ bug fixes and over 100 new npc and 45 new set items! and lots of new levels and it is free to play. and they are scedules to release a new expansion pack only jsut a month after it was released.

I'm sure that if Stefan made a list of the bugs he fixes on Graal, and new items released, it would be... a lot more than that lol

Originally Posted by myth-simba

So tell me graal...what exactly are you doing for us?

Lets make a little game of our own about this.
Answer this guys..
1) What are you doing for us?
2) Why should we actually stay?
3) How far along are you with your latest projects?

1) Providing the content you have previously enjoyed for others to enjoy.
2) Anticipation of new content, or to create new content.
3) They won't even tell me

Originally Posted by myth-simba

If you can answer these questions and not cacoon us in a web of lies as usual

This has to be quoted separately simply for how absurd it is.

Originally Posted by myth-simba

then i suppose i may just stick around a little longer.

I am not suggesting it, but does it not make sense to you to stop subscribing (if you're having so much trouble here) - and perhaps subscribe later on when new stuff is made?

Originally Posted by myth-simba

I mean i know having your game go downhill on you must be bad for you staff as well but lets face it. Us subscribers are the reason you have a game at all and we demand a lot more on offer.

Uhh... Unixmad has had new staff in the office for the past while, a whole team, working on Graal 3D and other new content.

Originally Posted by myth-simba

In the meantime i'm going back to pirate king online.

kk ttyl.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Pimmeh

I am afraid I agree with Myth-Simba.
I loved graal Kingdoms when it was full of players who RPed, PKed and did dungeons together. Now I never saw more then 20 persons online In the few weeks that I've been playing again. Even Zodiac has more players and then i dont coutn the trials.

The problem, bluntly put, is that the competition has been removed from Graal Kingdoms. When Sam was doing a lot of work with Kingdoms he saw that players treated each other poorly (which isn't unusual, they're mostly preteens struggling with their own sense of identity) and prioritized on this - in doing so he attempted to set the gap between "low class" and "high class" players by injecting new, fairly potent, items that everyone could readily obtain.

In doing so, all he effectively did was REMOVE the middle class and create low and high class individuals. There were less high class individuals, very dramatically so - but they were also much more rich than before.

In doing this he made it MUCH harder for the average user to become high class - which essentially was one of the leading interests on the server (a sort of era system - the king pin).

The real tragedy, in my opinion, isn't that the competition is gone - but that now, many unskilled individuals, who previously wouldn't have had the chance, are in positions of power they're not equipped to handle.

Originally Posted by Pimmeh

Zone does it right. A decent playerbase and a fun concept. Graal Kingdoms stayed the same since I started playing with my first p2p account and the only reason I am still playing is because it is the only game in which I can express my creativity (Thank god Valikorlia still lives) and make my own world.

Zone is mostly fun because it's *actual* skill based; you have to know the normal and expected tactics of your enemy and outwit them very rapidly. What makes it a competition is your drive to have a high bounty while maintaining a decent kill:death ratio. Perhaps there's not as much clout as on kingdoms, but it definitely has it's own hierarchy.

[Ravenblade1979]

Basically Stephen I think Myth wants Stefan to answer his post. And frankly I tend to agree with him. Since I started here I have seen the sharp decline in users playing it. Why? LACK OF UPDATES. That is the biggest thing that is plaguing this server. Instead of them working on Graal 3D why don't they just concentrate on releasing more stuff and fixing bugs and that for Graal Kingdoms.

People like GK and frankly I think they would rather see more updates for it then for Graal 3D that no one even has access to playing currently. When I tried it I wasn't impresssed. Its not good enough to compete with other 3D games. Just suck it up and fix bugs/give updates/new levels/new quests for GK and work on Graal 3D as a side project.

Because now I feel after reading your post that all they are about is working on Graal 3D. Sad isn't it.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

Because now I feel after reading your post that all they are about is working on Graal 3D. Sad isn't it.

They're creating a new platform, with many advances in the game engine which will make potential for amazing new content.

The keyword is potential.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by kenyonandelliot

That means that you can come back now.

That was back in 2005.

That and Sam doesn't like me, he doesn't WANT me on debug.

[Admins]

We know that the player count of Graal Kingdoms is low and Graal needs more players in general. We were working on several things to improve Graal and plan to release and change things soon.
About free upgrades on other games: those upgrades contain bug fixes (which you get for free on Graal as well) and new maps and items where 90% of them cost money, they are not different to us and want to make money.

[Ravenblade1979]

Originally Posted by Stefan

We know that the player count of Graal Kingdoms is low and Graal needs more players in general. We were working on several things to improve Graal and plan to release and change things soon.
About free upgrades on other games: those upgrades contain bug fixes (which you get for free on Graal as well) and new maps and items where 90% of them cost money, they are not different to us and want to make money.

I suggest you release some updates that will bring the players back or offer some type of incentive to new players. Like the christmas package was a big hit. Bjorn has a new waterglass level I made...no idea if its ever going to be used. Glad to hear your planning on releasing new stuff soon.

[kenyonandelliot]

Originally Posted by Stefan

We were working on several things to improve Graal and plan to release and change things soon.

How soon.. By the end of May, or something?

[zokemon]

Originally Posted by myth-simba

Instead of working on something as great and beneficial to all servers like so you work on Graal 3D which is a waste of time considering there are bigger and better games inclusing world of warcraft, pirate king online and so many other big titles. Graal 3D does not stand a chance.

I don't know what you are talking about but I worked on Graal3D before and I loved it. I can hardly wait for it. Then again, I seem to be very opposite to the general Graalian's liking for Graal as I like complex neat things rather then simple classic servers (thus I always struggle to find other developers like me).

Originally Posted by myth-simba

Want to know why us players travelled to graal? Because it was a different game from the others and a change in gaming experience and now you are trying to phase this out and compete with a bigger and better game genre which frankly you do not have the experience or funding to manage.

You don't speak for the Graal population as a whole and certainly don't speak for me.

Originally Posted by myth-simba

Lets make a little game of our own about this.
Answer this guys..
1) What are you doing for us?
2) Why should we actually stay?
3) How far along are you with your latest projects?

1) Who is "you"?
2) I think you should direct that question towards the people that still do stay. Why do they stay? I don't think anyone really has an answer to it... People (like my self) just feel stuck to this game.

Originally Posted by myth-simba

In the meantime i'm going back to pirate king online. So uhm i suppose those questions will be completed by hmm next year?

Bye. You really don't need to be here if you are going to be so cynical.