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I think this is the most important priority. 8 29.63%
No, the Hubworld should come first. We need a community to draw them to. 2 7.41%
Skinnable Clients. Then the servers can advertise for their own "games". 1 3.70%
First we focus on money; sell expansion packs and give developers a cut. 0 0%
Why are we advertising a website that hasn't been updated in a year? Get some contests! 7 25.93%
Not until we stop selling Lifetime accounts, or something... 0 0%
When we get a third Gold server, one that's awesome, we can advertise. 3 11.11%
Gno! Corrupt mods must go first! They'll scare away the newbies! 1 3.70%
Let's make a server for these newbies first, maybe retrofit a Classic server into a Trial. 3 11.11%
What's more important than anything is (please post your idea) 2 7.41%
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Old 10-26-2006, 01:53 AM
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Honestly the shirts look stupid enough.
I have 2 of the shirts, and I wear them all the time.
I would love to have a special made one of my character and nick though.

I have even thought of having a license plate made with my nick and character on it. It would be cool.
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I have 2 of the shirts, and I wear them all the time.
I would love to have a special made one of my character and nick though.

I have even thought of having a license plate made with my nick and character on it. It would be cool.
The shirts are terrible though they have bad pictures... Im sure players could find better pictures to represent the graalonline game instead of some unlinked images that dont look that great.
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The shirts are terrible though they have bad pictures... Im sure players could find better pictures to represent the graalonline game instead of some unlinked images that dont look that great.
I don't think they are terrible pictures, but I do agree that they don't accurately show Graal as it is. It might be close to the gold server characters? I think it would be cool to have different ones from popular classic, and gold characters, as well as people being able to have special ones made (for a higher price, of course).
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i would never wear a graal shirt...anywhere lol.
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Old 10-26-2006, 06:23 AM
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Fine, you kids gonna put your money where your mouth is and show us all how a REAL business gets the word out, or just whine all day?
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Fine, you kids gonna put your money where your mouth is and show us all how a REAL business gets the word out, or just whine all day?
We don't need to show a real business how a real business gets going. Or rather, we shouldn't. Even then I can't see tons of people paying for Graal, as it doesn't really have much to offer to them. I say wait for servers like New Val, a new Gold server, and servers like Zenkou to finally finish then try to draw players to Graal.
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Wanna know how to get the game out there?

Asiatic language support.

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Old 10-26-2006, 09:29 AM
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fine, real suggestions to prevent Graal from having to go Monthly Classic. Opening up the asian markets Would help; in what regards is it presently closed? Is it not possible to write Say2s with an extended keyboard or something? Or are you suggesting that the script editor should translate commands that make more sense in Korean into the standard germanic/english, ie they type ?????(??=0) and it's translated into While(aa=0)? Is it presently possible to chat in Extended? I don't imagine a real-time translator would be any more practical for asian languages than it was for european, but I see nothing wrong with a change in font; if someone walks up and says IYaiji! they may as well say ????? (pretend that's hiragana). On that topic, does anyone know of a good free font for the various asian languages? Or can it be generally assumed that the various operating systems have one available on request?

As for when would be best to advertise; Wait for a new Gold server's valid, I personally think we can get started as soon as there's an up to date website to direct them to but that's me...how awesome New Val will be remains to be seen, maybe it really will revolutionize the w0rld; I think we all think that about our servers.
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And if we DO wind up with a banner ad, I still say BobAndGeorge. Just my luck, they're accepting ads now...by the time we've got one ready it'll probably be too late again.
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Wow, okay, here's what you do:
News letters to all available emails we have, things showing new improvements in graal, the same community, and people having fun. This will help get back the people who quite, and maybe get some other people to upgrade, or try out other servers.
That's free.
Now, you can put google ads on the forums, and advertise Graal on google ads. They generate some revenue, an some traffic.
But um.. before that last step: improve the home page.
-Up to date, and more player involved (maybe a message board, customer reviews, etc).
Then make a few banners, and get them out there. Contact an ad agency, give them your banners, they put them on the sites.
Have ones targeted at different people: Players, develoers, or people who want a good community.
Put ones for developers on sites like tripod, computer programming sites, etc
Gaming ones obviously on games
Community ones on forums, etc
Obviously, you mix it up a bit slightly, to get the people who don't fit in the catagories.
Also better customer service is a must
You have to keep your customers happy if you want to keep them.
Also: take their advice, they know what's best for the game they play. THey know what people their age think. Losten to them, and you can keep everyone happy. Happy customers pay you more.
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Now, you can put google ads on the forums, and advertise Graal on google ads. They generate some revenue, an some traffic.
No no NO NO NO NO NO

The put Google Ads on the UGCC and look at them. They're hideous. They're ugly. They're unsightly.
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The put Google Ads on the UGCC and look at them. They're hideous. They're ugly. They're unsightly.
...and they advertise products of potential competition.
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Also better customer service is a must
You have to keep your customers happy if you want to keep them.
Also: take their advice, they know what's best for the game they play. THey know what people their age think. Losten to them, and you can keep everyone happy. Happy customers pay you more.
It is impossible to make everyone happy. Really, it depends on how far you think the owners should go to keep customers happy. They should never go so far as to degrade themselves, and the game/product. Sometimes it is really hard to find a happy medium, especially when you are dealing with children.
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It is impossible to make everyone happy. Really, it depends on how far you think the owners should go to keep customers happy. They should never go so far as to degrade themselves, and the game/product. Sometimes it is really hard to find a happy medium, especially when you are dealing with children.
True; for one, it'd make a lot of players happy if Graal went 100% Free again, but that would be an unhealthy business decision. (though 1 free server's all it takes to get back into the Shareware market, which I consider a Good Idea)
Two, speaking as a former manager, what the players want and what they need are disparate concepts. The players WANT 20 hearts and the goldsword and boots that alternately let them cross the map in record time and make them invincible, but they don't want anyone Else to have these things; what they Need is either a balanced server, more quests, or a variety of chracter options, depending on how you view their request. Bit of a tangent, but the point is, all these people who want Graal to sell the server - I imagine the vast majority want Their Own Server under Their Own Rules and Nobody Else's. If they got it, they'd spend maybe a week making, I dunno, Naruto Overdrive School of Otter-Fu, then be dismayed at how many other people are stealing their market. What do we need for such things? More relaxed copyright regulations? I suppose we could look into Parody Laws, but I doubt our hypothetical Narutard would be content with a Narudo in red with a pidgeon symbol on his wooden headband. It's a too many scientists, not enough hunchbacks situation; better cooperation between potential servers will bring more servers to the market, developed by more people than if they each were developing in secret...but everyone Wants to be the manager, so.
Three, finally - what do we really mean when We The Players say we want more say in how the game's run? Granted, I can't possibly speak for Everyone, but I imagine we really just want to be heard, our input acknowledged. Not to take total responsibility for running the server, certainly not for managing its finances (and worry about anyone who claims to have Unixmad's best financial interests at heart - even I'm ultimately here to see the game I love blossom regardless of financial victories). And by Heard and Acknowledged, that means when we have an idea to make the game better we can either act on it or at least find out why we can't - There will be Global Commmunication in the next version and here's the proposed syntax, -or- Sure, write up a news post for the website in PHP and I'll review it, -or- I'm sorry but we can't get away with actually making a Minnish Cap Server, you guys are gonna have to change the following aspects, (insert list here).
But that'd detract from the Top 2 Admins doing their jobs, so...should maybe Ibonic be given the authority and responsibility to speak For them? It might help.
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