Should Aprippers Be Changed?. Stefan, read.

[SayianOozaru]

Originally Posted by Gerami

WHAT'S YOUR POINT? It's been like this for atleast a month.

And for about 1-2 months (however long its been) people have been complaining...I dont know if it was just in-game that they would complaing, or if they also complained about it on the Forums...

Originally Posted by Gerami

Wtf? You were saying the aprippers were the fastest pistols and I proved you wrong. This has nothing to do with the damage. Do you even read what I quote before you post?

It does have to do with the damage...20 damage, and no (barely any) freeze time is way to much...Like jar said;

Originally Posted by MisterMasterMind

In the right hands those aprippers can kill you in 2-3 seconds flat

Originally Posted by Geramimykillinbuddie;)

Also you are wrong again, kv9 does 14 per bullet.

Still, 14 damage is alot less than the aprippers 20 dmg And I think the kv9 has more of a freeze time than the apripper

[SayianOozaru]

Apprices do 9 dmg per bullet. Thats not even close to being the strongest. But there fast, so people use them. Aprippers do 20 dmg per bullet. They were slow, so it was fair, now there faster than Apprices, and they are probly the same speed as kv9. Zulu, before posting, you might want to get on the client and see what we are talking about.

[Huwajux]

Originally Posted by SayianOozaru

they are probly the same speed as kv9. Zulu, before posting, you might want to get on the client and see what we are talking about.

They are nowhere near as fast as the Kv9.

[pooper200000]

mesa agrees!

[MrsMastermind]

It gives the trials a little taste of Event Weapons, y'know?

[pooper200000]

I think they should slow down appripers and apprices to make typhoon happy!

[Stone_Tower]

Well, in my opoinion apprippers are not lame. They do deal high ammounts of damage and they shoot at fast speeds, but the range is so small, its easy to dodge. If you think they are lame, simply dont play on a map where scouts have appripers.

[dude2020]

Originally Posted by Stone_Tower

If you think they are lame, simply dont play on a map where scouts have appripers.

which is all but 1 (or 2)

[Stone_Tower]

Originally Posted by dude2020

which is all but 1 (or 2)

Koth and Irica, koth isnt so popular but Irica is the most popular. Just play Irica like most of the other people do.

[Zulu15]

When wielding Apps you can easily keep shooting 1-3 cm's higher than your target and still hit, since the Rippers have such low variance, and only shoot two bullets, you can dodge it while still dealing damage to your opponent, unlike Apps, which you have to take a very lucky shot against without getting hit, due to the literal -wall- of bullets it shoots.

[someonesomewhere]

lolol

Everytime I spar against someone who uses rippers, and I use BPs, I win. Just avoid the pathetic spread and shoot around the bullets. I'll admit, 20 damage is a little much, but still. The speed is ok, just learn to anticipate the spread and stay out of it. Not that hard.

(Also, a rifle is probably better suited to killing someone using rippers, because of superior speed)

Now, A full shot with appirces does 36 damage. A full shot with Aprippers does 40.

Let's do the math. On average, with rippers, it takes 3 fullshots for me to kill a trial outside of spar, because they heal that 1 hp before I get the second shot in unless I hit them twice in a row. It takes 5 for me to kill a p2p, same reasoning. On average, with apprices, I don't kill them in as few shots, but I take less damage because I have more angle variance, and, therefore, more chances to shoot (and hit).

If you fight a ranged battle with someone using rippers you will probably win, unless you suck at ranged fighting or your opponent is good. Close ranged, it's the opposite, because that's where superior fire speed comes into play. Rifle freeze people at close range, rippers just dominate.

K. It's my opinion, I think I have everything correct.

[MisterMastermind]

I'm pretty sure rippers have the same spread as appirces, if not more. They deal more damage, and shoot twice as fast.

[Stone_Tower]

Originally Posted by MisterMastermind

I'm pretty sure rippers have the same spread as appirces, if not more. They deal more damage, and shoot twice as fast.

Appripers: Shoots a total of 2 bullets.
Appirces: Shoots a total of 4 bulelts.

Am I correct?

[Huwajux]

Originally Posted by Stone_Tower

Appripers: Shoots a total of 2 bullets.
Appirces: Shoots a total of 4 bulelts.

Am I correct?

Appirces Variance: 25 Degrees
Apripper Variance: 20 Degrees

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Huwajux

Appirces Variance: 25 Degrees
Apripper Variance: 20 Degrees

That variance doesn't do it justice. The actual bullet spread you SEE says much more. Aprippers almost go straight. Appirces create a shield of bullets.