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[Skyld]

Information in this thread may not be strictly accurate anymore.

Okay, so most of you are probably aware, I am Manager of Era again. I know most of you probably think it's a terrible thing but right now, that's not up for discussion. What is questionable is what should be done about Era.

Right now, Era faces a problem. Everything is crazily unbalanced and things are messing up. The economy is ridiculous, and I am sure that a considerable amount of you could list a number of things wrong with some aspect of Era right now.

There are two options.

1. Era can be reset, along with a new world being introduced to replace the current overworld.

• The businesses can be more fairly balanced and arranged, so that bizzes and player-run businesses are more distinguished and fair.
• Gangs can also be set up to be more balanced.
• Quests can be inserted around the place without there being any hiccups.
• Better methods of making money can be implemented.
• Much improved systems can be brought onto the scene without causing disruption.
• More weapons can be introduced from the range on the server.

2. Era can be left as it is.

• Eventually the economy will become crazily unbalanced.
• Bizzes will continue to cause damage to larger businesses. Deleting small bizzes is not an option.
• Larger gangs will eventually lose their meaning, and gang weapons will become less rare. Deleting parties is not an option.
• Other problems will start to arise from both current and previous glitch abuse, and other related problems.
• It is not likely that the same level of development will be applied to the old world.

I have considered grey areas in between these two options, but in the end, it is down to a reset, or things being left as they are.

I am not going to make this decision myself. I want your input.

Please note that if a reset were to become the best option:

• Era would not be taken offline during development. The existing world would remain until we have prepared and perfected the new one.
• I would be prepared to welcome new ideas and suggestions.
• All progress would be delivered to the players in the form of updates posted in a thread, mass messages, etc.

Now you have read what I have to say, please vote on the poll that you see when you log onto the server. Please also feel free to discuss things in this thread related to these two ideas, however, any disruptive, abusive or unrelated posts will be deleted.

(Poll obliterated.)

Thank you.

[Crono]

How about a reset but some kind of compensation? Possibly keep one weapon or something? A 100% reset would suck because a lot for some people because they've gotten so far.

[Spyder-z2]

Skyld, small bizes KILLED the economy in the first place..
If we leave small bizes but do a reset, Era will just fall apart again in another 4 months..

[Skyld]

Originally Posted by Spyder-z2

Skyld, small bizes KILLED the economy in the first place..
If we leave small bizes but do a reset, Era will just fall apart again in another 4 months..

Small bizzes are subject to a lot of change, and being mostly, if not totally moved out of the weaponary area into more tertiary areas.

[MistyWhite]

i like Gerami's idea... reset the world yes, but cant we atleast hold onto one thing? o.O i mean.. it sucks in a way cuz some people actually worked their way to get what they have.... and to just loose everything in return just sucks really bad....

[Shotoo2]

Originally Posted by MistyWhite

i like Gerami's idea... reset the world yes, but cant we atleast hold onto one thing? o.O i mean.. it sucks in a way cuz some people actually worked their way to get what they have.... and to just loose everything in return just sucks really bad....

Skyld wants to keep the small bizes. Don't worry, that means the economy will get screwed up again and you'll end up losing that one item in the long run anyway.

[MistyWhite]

Originally Posted by Shotoo2

Skyld wants to keep the small bizes. Don't worry, that means the economy will get screwed up again and you'll end up losing that one item in the long run anyway.

Thats not what i mean.... something like a Gun Or Our Money You kNow. dont start trying to be smartass.

[Henry5001]

Originally Posted by MistyWhite

Thats not what i mean.... something like a Gun Or Our Money You kNow. dont start trying to be smartass.

Lol, keeping money wouldn't be an option. And Mange just said that one item won't help you in the long run. Small biz's rape the economy and they have to be deleted eventually. You know I just came back for this Era, I really don't want to have to quit again z.z


P.S. I'd like to keep my ET tag =/

[BlueSamurai]

your players are running around like chickens with their head cut off
every reset..soo funny yet never gets old xD

[Skyld]

Originally Posted by Shotoo2

Skyld wants to keep the small bizes. Don't worry, that means the economy will get screwed up again and you'll end up losing that one item in the long run anyway.

I'm not sure if you read what I wrote but I said that small businesses would be moved out of the weaponary area and into tertiary areas. I thought that small businesses should have two or so weapons to sell, but Hachi disagrees, so I will leave that decision to him.

Originally Posted by deathbarrier99

Skyld, what I heard is that you demoted and made your self Manager. You are absurd. Go away. There's better people for manager.

Andrew quit. I did not fire him.

Originally Posted by marche186

Firstly, if you are going to reset, do it SOON! Era is going to lose players again if everyone has to wait around in a "pre-reset" world. The last time we had to wait for the reset, it was horrible and the player count dropped tremendously.

If Era were to be reset, I do not really want to rush the process. I would want to make sure that things are right and spend some time making it right.

Originally Posted by marche186

MORE STAFF!
The number one complaint from everyone that plays Era is that the staff do not reply. You guys are busy, we know. Staff should be hired that have limited powers, but are there for the sole reason of helping people.
They should almost always on their staff tag and can help with everyday problems such as glitches and people issues..I know I can vouch for half of Era when I say that several Player Relations admins would be awesome.

That can be done.

Originally Posted by marche186

Second, small businesses were a complete disaster. If you insist on keeping them make many changes. Create a minimum price that each item could be sold for, a reasonable one. The bizs were constantly lowering their prices for competition to the point where they were losing money to sell them.

Small businesses would stay but again would be changed. Hachi had a long list of problems with them and I asked him to fix them. That's up to him.

Originally Posted by marche186

Third, gang weapons ****ed up the economy too. I agree that gangs should have their own weapons, but don't make them so outrageously good. If they have to be that good, don't make them so easy for the gang to create. Make the prices as high as the quality and "l33tness" of the weapons.

Hmm, would have to see about this one.

Originally Posted by marche186

Fourth, if there is a reset, don't give the same old people their gangs and businesses. A reset is a reset and it is only fair if they are reset just like everyone else.

It's undecided if the same gangs and businesses would be there after the reset. It might be good to introduce a whole new range, but that's not decided yet.

Originally Posted by Bl0nkt

Skyld, player bizzes should NOT HAVE CONTROL OF WEAPONS. A place run with temporary ownership and half-assed working will really set a bad example on behalf of large businesses and guns in general. Please do me a favor and keep the biz system away from weapons (I know you refuse to get rid of it, despite my belief and previous power. Think on a scale of importance, not what Stefan thinks.).

If you think that is best, go for it. I won't argue with your judgement, because you seem to have a better idea on small bizzes than I do.

Originally Posted by White_Roy

If you're not going to get rid of the small businesses how are you going to keep control of the economy?

By following Hachi's suggestions and changes and keeping them away from major selling points.

Originally Posted by White_Roy

How are you going to stop gangs from losing meaning?

Possibly each gang having the same member limit, having only select people being able to recruit, improving gang bases, working out ways to give gangs an incentive to raid other gangs (perhaps a serverwide status board, some sort of randomly generated reward? opinions, please)

Originally Posted by White_Roy

How are you going to maintain the rarity of the gang guns?

By making sure that only gang members can have them.

Originally Posted by Celarion

SkyID, how precisely are you planning on compensating people for their gym levels?
I'm currently level 10 speed and level 5 strength. That's somewhere around 75 hours of gym training.

Before you answer, please go and try to do 1 straight hour of treadmilling. Then just ATTEMPT to multiply that by 60 in your head.

Then do 1 hour of strength training, and multiply that by 15.

Yeah. Please. What the hell.

I am not entirely sure how the gym system is working, but ideally it would give a much better boost (being able to carry even more items, maybe being able to use melee weapons faster)

Originally Posted by Celarion

In the case of people having ridiculous amounts of money, that's mostly from scamming. Have a look at Nubszz, he is (or was the last time I checked) the richest guy on Era. Incidentally, he has barely done any work himself. He just suckered a whole bunch of people. There's no way to stop that, really. People are always going to be stupid, and others greedy and ambitious.

The amount of scamming that has occured makes it difficult to just go back and solve problems like that. One of my primary points of thought is improving the item trade so that it is more reliable, making it easier to access and endorsing it's use. There are too many people who just drop items without thinking about it and that can't really be helped.

Originally Posted by WanDaMan

If you plan on a reset, why would you need a new overworld? It's asif you're taking this project as a walk in the park. Anyway; If you decide to create a new overworld, hopefully it'll be ready after Christmas - fully functional, new quests etc which would be worth the wait.

The current overworld has had so much thrown into it over time that it hasn't been very well thought out. Introducing a new overworld allows us to ensure that everything we have that we want now fits, whilst catering for additional things, such as quests, new areas, etc.

Originally Posted by GarethOmni

Your right, i don't care. Not anymore. Maybe i don't care that Skyld obviously doesn't know how to handle this job.

There is a good reason why I ran this poll, and that is to find player's opinions. If the majority vote was 'Leave things the way they are', I would not reset the server.

[marche186]

Originally Posted by Skyld

The amount of scamming that has occured makes it difficult to just go back and solve problems like that. One of my primary points of thought is improving the item trade so that it is more reliable, making it easier to access and endorsing it's use. There are too many people who just drop items without thinking about it and that can't really be helped.

There is a lot more scamming going on than items being dropped, although that does happen often..The biggest scams were when someone with a lot of recognition (Nub) trick people into giving LARGE amounts of money. This brings us back to what I said. More staff. Most of the people who donated to him were a little hesitant and had questions, there were no staff to answer them...

Originally Posted by Skyld

Possibly each gang having the same member limit, having only select people being able to recruit, improving gang bases, working out ways to give gangs an incentive to raid other gangs (perhaps a serverwide status board, some sort of randomly generated reward? opinions, please)

The member limit: Sounds like a good idea, it would make it "fair", which is what everyone is crying about...fairness, but reality is that one gang is going to have more people than another. I can't see a gang saying, "Sorry we've reached our limit" in real life...

Improve the gang bases! They've looked the same for how long now?

A status board and rewards would definitly make people want to raid, but you should add something cool too..
Maybe each gang should have its own NPC that sits outside talking smack to everyone. When another gang raids them successfully, the NPC should start talking smack about its own base..In order to fix it, the gang would have to get its base back. If an NPC is sitting outside saying, "LC sucks! Don't bother raiding them, it is too easy" (no offense) I'm sure LC would want their base back...
Just a random idea..

[WanDaMan]

Originally Posted by Skyld

The current overworld has had so much thrown into it over time that it hasn't been very well thought out. Introducing a new overworld allows us to ensure that everything we have that we want now fits, whilst catering for additional things, such as quests, new areas, etc.

Fair enough, how many people will be working on the new overworld? Will it be bigger than the current Era?

[KuJi]

Originally Posted by MistyWhite

i like Gerami's idea... reset the world yes, but cant we atleast hold onto one thing? o.O i mean.. it sucks in a way cuz some people actually worked their way to get what they have.... and to just loose everything in return just sucks really bad....

ahh, you mean similar to my lose of 180k, bher, and axey?

[shrimps]

Here's an idea, have stefan make a Era2, make it how Skyld wants it, everyone who is anti reset stay here, hire back old staff, keep things the way they are. Delete parties and small biz's.

[shrimps]

Axes should have been deleted from players anyway... =(

But who cares now reset! YAY!

[warp2ukew]

Reset! And make sure businesses like Bounty Hunter and PPA are there to do their job, not just raid when they get bored for the hell of it.

Tag lock gang guns, as well as the katana.
Bring HP back down again, make guns do a lot less damage (wouldn't mind if it stayed the same, though).

[killzonekz]

OK first of all we dont need a reset for Era all u need to do is shutdown the server for a day or 2 w/e it takes and re open when things are done..man i just finished makin 25k the most ive ever had on me and i need like 50 kills for my first 1k kills and now this crap comes up. Its not era that is corrupt its the staff. theres playeer with 4k hours and now u gonna make it hell for us and some players just reached 8k kills thats good but now everyone gonna be at 0k/0d and Yenroy is tryin for 100k of points on era and well he is like 6k away and like i said this crap comes up. All u need to do is not allow staff to spoil players such as KAe by givin him katana and bamboo roods ad stuff. i know ppl that have many ideas for era but never listened b/c the corrupted staff have favorites. staff are so corrupt that i saw some guy win an even t and they gave him a medkit then their friends wins an event and they get a ET coin thats just nice. try new staff or talkin to players and listening. im here for u guys which i doubt u will read this cuz im not a favorite. and the only reason i payed for graal was b/c of era. and now u screwing everything up for us. leave it as it is just shut the server for a day or so. i play for 14hours or more a day and i get on to see that is crap has come up. one more thing i doubt era will be populated like it was. so think about population as well zzz hopefully someone will read this....

[Charlie9]

Originally Posted by killzonekz

OK first of all we dont need a reset for Era all u need to do is shutdown the server for a day or 2 w/e it takes and re open when things are done..man i just finished makin 25k the most ive ever had on me and i need like 50 kills for my first 1k kills and now this crap comes up. Its not era that is corrupt its the staff. theres playeer with 4k hours and now u gonna make it hell for us and some players just reached 8k kills thats good but now everyone gonna be at 0k/0d and Yenroy is tryin for 100k of points on era and well he is like 6k away and like i said this crap comes up. All u need to do is not allow staff to spoil players such as KAe by givin him katana and bamboo roods ad stuff. i know ppl that have many ideas for era but never listened b/c the corrupted staff have favorites. staff are so corrupt that i saw some guy win an even t and they gave him a medkit then their friends wins an event and they get a ET coin thats just nice. try new staff or talkin to players and listening. im here for u guys which i doubt u will read this cuz im not a favorite. and the only reason i payed for graal was b/c of era. and now u screwing everything up for us. leave it as it is just shut the server for a day or so. i play for 14hours or more a day and i get on to see that is crap has come up. one more thing i doubt era will be populated like it was. so think about population as well zzz hopefully someone will read this....

wow that is so wrong its not even funny and you only have 10 hours of something else a day i play like one hour a day and the rest is doing things called outside i say just cut small buisness pull gangs back in and work on them along with buisness then re release them and i actually think a reset would be good half the people saying "no reset you *******" are people on era that brag like " i can earn 6k in 30minutes" hell i give stuff away to trials because i dont see the point in haveing it i say go with the reset

[Sum41Freeeeek]

I'm going to stick around as LAT and help make this "New World" if you people choose
to reset. I enjoy making levels, and I'm not going to hop on the bandwagon because
Andrew, Dai, Morg, and Mange quit. Let me promise everyone, you won't regret a
reset (besides the fact you're losing everything) I will, in my best of power make sure
this won't turn out like "Jenn Era" as some of you might say.

-Frankie (LAT)

[mrhyde1]

Great! Something that needed to be done along time ago. I did enjoy this over alot of things. But I believe a new map, and a bunch of stuff to be fixed sounds good. Such as making weapons alot more rare! Which makes me happy, seeing alot of this kids that have 20hrs and already having 5 cars, a biz, and tons of weapons is stupid. I'm glad your doing this, I support you skyld.

[deathbarrier99]

Skyld, what I heard is that you demoted and made your self Manager. You are absurd. Go away. There's better people for manager.

[cannonzim]

I think really on Era They should give you a weapon and ammo so then it wouldn't be a total loss

[ruben821]

reset.

[Celarion]

SkyID, how precisely are you planning on compensating people for their gym levels?
I'm currently level 10 speed and level 5 strength. That's somewhere around 75 hours of gym training.

Before you answer, please go and try to do 1 straight hour of treadmilling. Then just ATTEMPT to multiply that by 60 in your head.

Then do 1 hour of strength training, and multiply that by 15.

Yeah. Please. What the hell.


Also, Terisu Family has been selective on who it sells its gang weapon too, and only has 1 leaked weapon.

So um... yeah, there must be some way to compromise here.

Rather than resetting the entire server, why not target problem points? Would it not be possible to find areas that have caused problems, alleviate find a resolution for the issue, and offer appropriate compensation to any parties who have suffered loss?

In the case of people having ridiculous amounts of money, that's mostly from scamming. Have a look at Nubszz, he is (or was the last time I checked) the richest guy on Era. Incidentally, he has barely done any work himself. He just suckered a whole bunch of people. There's no way to stop that, really. People are always going to be stupid, and others greedy and ambitious.

Me? I never had the knack or willpower for scamming. I've spent over 250 of my 744 Era hours sweating it out in the mines, digging seashells, shooting targets, picking flowers, delivering letters, doing taxi runs for the mafia, running treadmills and lifting weights, all to make my gaming experience more enjoyable. I only earned 30 odd thousand, but with that money and the friends I've made in Era, I've earned a katana, a car, a pair of colts, a pinecone egg or two, a famas, an MS, a few BHers and various event prizes. I have also been given a unique hat from my friend, adding to my collection of other paraphenalia. I'm in a guild (the best on the server ), and have positions in Dairy Hut and Ninja. Did I mention that I spent 75 effing hours in the gym?

The people who are voting "yes" to the reset are both too lazy to earn their perks like I have, and too ethically motivated (or just plain stupid) to sucker people in the fashion of Nubszz.

While I was enduring the monotony of the less enjoyable aspects of the game for the sole purpose of PERMANENTLY improving my future gaming experience, these people were running around shooting people and spouting such wisdom as "2ez nub" and "omg noob HAHAHAHA", not to mention the rather more vile insults hurled about.

Why should these people that have not taken the time and effort to take advantage of the game system that the admin team has put in place have the right to cut my legs out from under me?

I paid for this game, and I certainly paid for the perks that I've acheived. I do not want them taken away from me.

[UberModeKappa]

Originally Posted by Celarion

SkyID, how precisely are you planning on compensating people for their gym levels?
I'm currently level 10 speed and level 5 strength. That's somewhere around 75 hours of gym training.

Before you answer, please go and try to do 1 straight hour of treadmilling. Then just ATTEMPT to multiply that by 60 in your head.

Then do 1 hour of strength training, and multiply that by 15.

Yeah. Please. What the hell.

Just quit like the majority of Era's community, and I.

[Celarion]

In all honesty, all you'd need to do to fix the economy is disable all businesses' weapon sales, take a tally of the number of weapons of each type on Era and their respective costs, and adjust their stats and production costs accordingly.

Most of the people that have been consistantly asking for a reset based on the "Economy being ****ed" are just complaining that it's possible to work hard and get good results in this game.

If they want to be able to peak out their character's ability early and have everyone truly equal, they should go play UN.

If on the other hand they want to acheive an advantage over the other people on the server, they should expend the time and effort to do so.

I've only been playing since January/February this year, and I'm doing pretty damn well.

I CERTAINLY do not want the time I've spent to be wasted on their behalves.

[MistyWhite]

Originally Posted by Celarion

The people who are voting "yes" to the reset are both too lazy to earn their perks like I have, and too ethically motivated (or just plain stupid) to sucker people in the fashion of Nubszz.


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People are not stupid for voting yes. me myself i voted yes, even tho i do not wanna loose my hard earned stuff, yet i would like to see better things on era, instead of seeing scammed stuff here and there, and people having stuff that their not suppose to have, or having stuff that is impossible for other players to have, AND TO MUCH Damage on certain items, like Bamboo stick for example, where the livin hell did that come from? and it has too much damage.

and as mentioned sumwhere before, how people got stuff from being favorites with staff, thats got to stop.

[MegaMasterX90875]

Remember what happened to the playercount last reset? O_o
I would kinda like to keep my items, though we all worked pretty hard to EARN what we got and.....its like losing your house, It sucks to have to earn everything back.

[flynner]

i honestly think theres any reason NOT to reset.
i mean, im not rich, but im not poor.
i have 10 k a car and some other good guns.
i think the economy is messed up from the small biz's and the gangs.
vote reset.

[The Guy]

I wish people would stop doing nothing after every reset and then complaining because hard working (or scamming) players are far ahead of them.

It happens every time, you lazy babies whine everybody else into oblivion.

[k0rupt_ed]

My idea:

Reset the server the economy is toasted. Keep small biz's BUT only for selling ammo, let the big buisnesses take care of the weapons. Renovate the overworld, fix bug's, unlinked rooms, add quests, ect. Get rid of that dam retarded stupid POINTLESS nickname/buddy thing. Hire some more staff that are you know, actualy have skill.

Another thing, put the bridge back and redo that southridge locker room. Some of you guys are starting to get careless in what you do. Think before you act.

-ChriSs

[Eclipse]

I am happy to see Frankie stay as LAT he is excellent at making levels and im sure he will add alot into era.

As for the reset? It should happen, im sick of people promise us "NEW ERA OVER THE BRIDGE" "LOL CHINA TOWN IS COOL" i want to see something done so if they reset something will actually be accomplished

Small biz's murdered Era delete them or just allow them to sell ammo and limit each store to sell about 4 types of ammo so each one can be different and not have 7 biz's sell the same ****, and lower the ammount to about 4 or 5 bizes

[marche186]

Okay. I honestly have no idea whether or not a reset would be the right thing to do, but here is my 2 cents on the issue..

Firstly, if you are going to reset, do it SOON! Era is going to lose players again if everyone has to wait around in a "pre-reset" world. The last time we had to wait for the reset, it was horrible and the player count dropped tremendously.

If you have a well thought out plan to fix the economy, by all means, reset the server. But if you are thinking that a reset and a few changes will fix the economy, it won't. It has been tried before and it's always the same old thing.

With a reset there are several things I believe should be done..

MORE STAFF!
The number one complaint from everyone that plays Era is that the staff do not reply. You guys are busy, we know. Staff should be hired that have limited powers, but are there for the sole reason of helping people.
They should almost always on their staff tag and can help with everyday problems such as glitches and people issues..I know I can vouch for half of Era when I say that several Player Relations admins would be awesome.

Second, small businesses were a complete disaster. If you insist on keeping them make many changes. Create a minimum price that each item could be sold for, a reasonable one. The bizs were constantly lowering their prices for competition to the point where they were losing money to sell them.

Third, gang weapons ****ed up the economy too. I agree that gangs should have their own weapons, but don't make them so outrageously good. If they have to be that good, don't make them so easy for the gang to create. Make the prices as high as the quality and "l33tness" of the weapons..

Fourth, if there is a reset, don't give the same old people their gangs and businesses. A reset is a reset and it is only fair if they are reset just like everyone else.

If their isn't a reset, and the economy needs fixing...Make some serious changes and then delete everyones bank accounts. Blame it on a server crash or bug or something

I can't think of anything else I wanted to say, but I think there's more...This is my novel for now...

[flynner]

oh . i forgot about the retard(s) who destroyed the bridge.

[k0rupt_ed]

Make me manager I'll fix it.

[KuJi]

Originally Posted by k0rupt_ed

Make me manager I'll fix it.

But then we'd have another manager with no talent to developing ( or at least I am pretty sure u can't develop lol <3 )

[k0rupt_ed]

I have an imagination lol


I can lat

[mrhyde1]

Originally Posted by k0rupt_ed

I have an imagination lol


I can lat

Chirss anybody with graal level editor can make a level for godsakes. Managers mostly need someone who can do all of thee above such as :nat, gat, lat, gani or more like nat. Someone that can script like a god can make a server good (such as skyld) Maybe we will see the old era were money wasn't like i got 2k in 1 hour by picking flower, more or less we need something like 500 a hour or even less I dont see the point in hiring you in the first place. Your just another player like everybody else that says they can do a level but most likely it will look like crap.
And the funny thing is everybody is crying about atleast let use have 1 weapon. Ok yeah lets do that and guess what! what about the people who go my gang gun and your like "WHATZOR NOZOR!!!" and cry about it to staff saying "plz mke gng gunzor awazyble". Its sad how you people will cry over a stupid reset when you never even put faith into people. Sure people screwed up era a few times. But think of the better times? Less money getting throwed around means more rare items are and which in return I don't see a nub with 20hrs running around with a good weapon but yet only fighting skills they have is to run and shoot backwards.
At first I wasn't a fan of the reset in the past but now to think about it... It will benefit most of era give it a fresh new bar of soap .

[Bl0nkt]

Skyld, player bizzes should NOT HAVE CONTROL OF WEAPONS. A place run with temporary ownership and half-assed working will really set a bad example on behalf of large businesses and guns in general. Please do me a favor and keep the biz system away from weapons (I know you refuse to get rid of it, despite my belief and previous power. Think on a scale of importance, not what Stefan thinks.).

[k0rupt_ed]

Originally Posted by Bl0nkt

Skyld, player bizzes should NOT HAVE CONTROL OF WEAPONS. A place run with temporary ownership and half-assed working will really set a bad example on behalf of large businesses and guns in general. Please do me a favor and keep the biz system away from weapons (I know you refuse to get rid of it, despite my belief and previous power. Think on a scale of importance, not what Stefan thinks.).

Thank you. Even though we know its gonna be staff ass kisser who get the ownership of the big biz its better then the smaller ones.