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Old 06-09-2005, 01:35 AM
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Scamming doesn't have much roleplay relevence, since you use the "trust" of the person IRL of you to scam items; which if implimented into roleplay would be considered metagaming.

If you played off of their stupidity, then you also are playing off of an aspect of their RL traits (though it may be IC as well), which would be considered metagaming as well.

It doesn't work. Sorry. :/
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Old 06-09-2005, 01:38 AM
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since we are arguing over whether or not scamming should be legal, that means that scamming is not illegal thus far
I really don't know how that logic is supposed to work. Either way, the current state is irrelevant to determining the ideal state. You are not permitted to use circular reasoning.

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Currently, scamming is legal, so a player COULD role play as a scammer. Now, if it were made illegal, then I guess you would not be able to
So what's your point? If you're not trying to argue that scamming should be legal then what are you doing?
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Old 06-09-2005, 01:41 AM
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I really don't know how that logic is supposed to work. Either way, the current state is irrelevant to determining the ideal state. You are not permitted to use circular reasoning.
We are not arguing over whether scamming should be legal or illegal. We are arguing over whether scamming should be illegal, since it currently is legal. I have quite a feeling that all of our posts probably wouldn't influence the decision at all, but oh well.


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So what's your point? If you're not trying to argue that scamming should be legal then what are you doing?
It already is legal. I don't like scamming, but I'm looking at things from both sides. I'm just waiting for valid reasoning as to why it should be made illegal.
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Old 06-09-2005, 01:59 AM
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We are not arguing over whether scamming should be legal or illegal. We are arguing over whether scamming should be illegal
Same thing.

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It already is legal
'Should be legal' is not the same as 'should be changed so that it is legal'. If you are opposing the illegalisation of scamming then you are saying that it should be legal.

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I don't like scamming, but I'm looking at things from both sides
No. What are your arguments supposed to achieve? You observe that scamming can be prevented and that it can form part of somebody's character. What are these observations meant to prove?
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Old 06-09-2005, 02:07 AM
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Same thing.
'Should' and 'is' are completely different.

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'Should be legal' is not the same as 'should be changed so that it is legal'. If you are opposing the illegalisation of scamming then you are saying that it should be legal.
It is legal for crying out loud.

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No. What are your arguments supposed to achieve? You observe that scamming can be prevented and that it can form part of somebody's character. What are these observations meant to prove?
Nothing, yet. I'm just stating a few reasons to support why it should remain legal.
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Old 06-09-2005, 02:15 AM
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'Should' and 'is' are completely different
What's your point? Saying that X should be Y is not the same as saying that X currently isn't Y.

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Nothing, yet. I'm just stating a few reasons to support why it should remain legal.
Except that you're not. How do your observations imply that it should be legal? Scamming can be avoided, I'll grant you that. But how does that support your claim that it should be legal?
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Old 06-09-2005, 02:21 AM
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What's your point? Saying that X should be Y is not the same as saying that X currently isn't Y.
How many times have I said that I'm not trying to say that scamming should be legal? IT ALREADY IS LEGAL, so, why would I fight that it should be what it already is? If anything, I would be fighting to keep it legal, but it's not the case.

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Except that you're not. How do your observations imply that it should be legal? Scamming can be avoided, I'll grant you that. But how does that support your claim that it should be legal?

Once again, it is legal. It justs supports one point for why it should remain legal. Now, we just need more points as to why it should be illegal, and then from there we can discuss.
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Old 06-09-2005, 02:28 AM
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How many times have I said that I'm not trying to say that scamming should be legal? IT ALREADY IS LEGAL
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I already explained: 'X should be Y' does not imply that X isn't currently Y. You're apparently confused as to the meaning of 'should'.

You are arguing that scamming should be legal. Other people are arguing that scamming should not be legal. None of these are statements about its current legality.

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It justs supports one point for why it should remain legal
You completely failed to answer my question. How do those observations support the claim that scamming should be legal?
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Old 06-09-2005, 02:37 AM
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My comment on this:
Scamming is illegal, but can't be proved by any other way then by the trade tables. Therefore, any other trading is at the risk of the trader itself. -- That's my interpretion.
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Old 06-09-2005, 02:46 AM
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Once again, it is legal.
What are you saying? That just because something is legal, it should always remain legal no matter what?
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Old 06-09-2005, 02:49 AM
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What are you saying? That just because something is legal, it should always remain legal no matter what?

No? Where the heck did you get this from? I didn't even say that scamming is currently legal because of that.
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Old 06-09-2005, 03:02 AM
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What are you saying? That just because something is legal, it should always remain legal no matter what?
He doesn't understand what the word 'should' means. I tried to address this on AIM, but I couldn't get much sense out of him. He told me that I must be wrong, since VT disagrees with me
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Old 06-09-2005, 03:03 AM
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He doesn't understand what the word 'should' means. I tried to address this on AIM, but I couldn't get much sense out of him. He told me that I must be wrong, since VT disagrees with me

Don't put words in my mouth.
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Old 06-09-2005, 03:08 AM
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He's gonna ask VT which one of us he hates more. Apparently he thinks this will decide who won the argument.
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Old 06-09-2005, 03:10 AM
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Says who? It's a game, so maybe the thief could get away with it. Anything can happen in a game
Wrong. Not anything can happen. I can't kill you and take my items back, now can I?
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