Should P2P playerworld owners be.. paid?

[Admins]

Originally posted by konidias


You make no profit from Graal?
Have you seen most of the playerworlds lately? They are complete trash.. no wonder you're profits are low.. if playerworlds actually attracted customers, maybe you could make enough profit to pay the owners?

You think they would get better if
the owners get some $ for it each month?
It will only make people greedy and not
doing any free scripting or so when they
get no money and stuff, that's not really
the way it can work. See the thousands of
people who do levels and scripts for
halflife stuff, doing professional work and
still get no money.

[konidias]

Originally posted by Stefan


You think they would get better if
the owners get some $ for it each month?
It will only make people greedy and not
doing any free scripting or so when they
get no money and stuff, that's not really
the way it can work. See the thousands of
people who do levels and scripts for
halflife stuff, doing professional work and
still get no money.

But look at mods like counter-strike.. they are raking in lots of money from their modification of a game they did not make.

I know if I got paid I would be devoting a lot more time into my stuff.. so you prefer quantity over quality? Sure people will make good stuff for free, but only for so long.. just like most of the lat that were hired on 2k1.. they show good work to get hired.. then get unmotivated and don't do anything..

also, you really should check out the playerworlds.. I don't see how most of them manage to stay online, and there are getting to be so many it's hard to dig out the good from the bad.

[cds96]

Originally posted by konidias
I know if I got paid I would be devoting a lot more time into my stuff.. so you prefer quantity over quality? Sure people will make good stuff for free, but only for so long.. just like most of the lat that were hired on 2k1.. they show good work to get hired.. then get unmotivated and don't do anything..

So you wouldnt throw a benny like you did last time? But only if you got paid?

[konidias]

Originally posted by cds96
So you wouldnt throw a benny like you did last time? But only if you got paid?

I don't see why people have to be so just and true about things, when in reality, I'm sure anyone wouldn't mind getting paid for what they do.

I mean come on, isn't Graal by the players for the players? Without any of these people working hard making playerworlds and helping out 2k1, classic, and 2k2, Graal would be nowhere near where it is today.. So much has been made by the players.. so many people have worked hard.. now Stefan makes money from it, but all the hard working people get nothing?

[konidias]

If roughly 1000 p2p accounts are created and are paid for a full year, thats 30000 a year all together.. not to mention the fact that the prices will soon be raised and more people join each year... Why are the prices being raised? For the CRAP playerworlds online, with the total of 2 whole people on them? There's like 7 playerworlds that have more players then 2k1 now.. tell me how the playerworlds aren't bringing in players.

Sure there is server cost, but seriously, 30000 a year covers payment on a house and a family of 2-3, and a car. Please explain to me how you can't afford to pay the playerworld owners that have GOOD pw's

[cds96]

Originally posted by konidias


I don't see why people have to be so just and true about things, when in reality, I'm sure anyone wouldn't mind getting paid for what they do.

I mean come on, isn't Graal by the players for the players? Without any of these people working hard making playerworlds and helping out 2k1, classic, and 2k2, Graal would be nowhere near where it is today.. So much has been made by the players.. so many people have worked hard.. now Stefan makes money from it, but all the hard working people get nothing?

well how much does it cost to buy the servers to host the playerworlds? i assume its not cheap, so they give you a place to host your work for free and you want them to pay you for letting you use their space?

[konidias]

Originally posted by cds96
well how much does it cost to buy the servers to host the playerworlds? i assume its not cheap, so they give you a place to host your work for free and you want them to pay you for letting you use their space?

It isn't for free.. they are profiting because of your work.

Servers don't cost 30000 a year, unless you're getting seriously ripped off.. I could get a T3 line to my house for about 5 or 6 new account upgrade profits a month.

[Admins]

Konidias servers are that expensive.
Besides running the servers you will also need
to buy computers and hardware from time to time,
pay tons of taxes, pay salaries, pay the office etc.
This is not the right place to discuss such things.

[konidias]

Originally posted by Stefan
Konidias servers are that expensive.
Besides running the servers you will also need
to buy computers and hardware from time to time,
pay tons of taxes, pay salaries, pay the office etc.
This is not the right place to discuss such things.

Okay, well I wish you would at least ponder the idea.. instead of laughing at it like I'm trying to be funny.

I think it's a very good idea, and if you're raising p2p prices, it would be a good idea to start paying owners or staff or something.

You can delete this whenever you're done reading it then.

[Kasuagi]

you should look at Graal as a hobby, just that

[AlkarenHyralt]

Originally posted by konidias


Okay, well I wish you would at least ponder the idea.. instead of laughing at it like I'm trying to be funny.

I think it's a very good idea, and if you're raising p2p prices, it would be a good idea to start paying owners or staff or something.

You can delete this whenever you're done reading it then.

It's a nice idea, as I said but you must take into account expensives first.

-You have expenses for the office that is usually leased.
-Taxes
-Servers
-Matiance
-Bandwidth/internet conenction
-The servers themselves
-Hosting
-Salaries for the people who work there
-Electricity, maybe
-Phone lines.
-The cost of buying computers and software to use
-The cost of buying licenses for the software

It's a lot of money all together.

[sac]

Originally posted by konidias
I know this might belong in playerworld forum, but I want to get everyones general opinion on it..

Well do you think P2P playerworld owners should be paid? I mean, perhaps a percentage or something depending on the average ammount of players on their playerworld for the month.. say, a tally could be kept.. so for example, if the playerworld does okay for one month, then the total money earned is calculated, and added to their "bank" when the money gets to a certain sum, cyberjouer(sp) could send a check to the owner. (maybe require an age limit or something)

I think this would do wonders for the playerworlds, it would also be more professional, and you have to think, if these P2P playerworlds are getting a lot of people on them, they must be getting a lot of new P2P accounts made for them (or re-upgraded for them) as well.

The more people they get, the more they get paid, so that the owners will actually put lots of effort into making their server enjoyable and trying to get people to upgrade or come play on their server (meaning more business for stefan)


To prevent cheating, the playerworlds could easily be monitored to see if there are like, a bunch of staff idling on it all day, or a bunch of fake npc servers or something..

no bc then the *** pws like npulse and UN will be rich and stuff and stefan is too cheap to pay bye

[Torankusu]

No, I don't think so.

Graal2001 is economy/money based, so lets not drag it into real life (with the players making money.) I don't see how they are actually bringing in the money, because they have almost no more than 10 different people on a week.

[Xythar]

Originally posted by Gspeed2000
I have a mixed view on it because I really wish I could get paid for working on Graal but I guess that won't be possible unless I moved to France

YUO CAN MOEV TO FRENCE WIT TEH MONIES YUO MAEK OF GRWLS

[Torankusu]

you are on hiatus.