What has Graal become? - Page 5

Sir Triclops · #1 01-04-2002, 05:30 AM

The staff and attitudes I encounter while playing online(and sometimes here) is the very reason I don't play online but once in a blue moon.

Metal-Slug · #2 01-04-2002, 05:32 AM

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Originally posted by Frank
out of curiosity, what made you come to such a conclusion?

i've been playing graal to long i guess

Frank · #3 01-04-2002, 05:35 AM

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Originally posted by Metal-Slug

i've been playing graal to long i guess

Well I feel quit the oppisite, I think hes a pretty good admin

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_ · #4 01-04-2002, 05:37 AM

Damn you people don't you understand? Konidias is basically the ONLY person that does work on Graal 2001. He deserves whatever he needs to get the job done. I sure as hell would really worry for Graal 2001 is Konidias wasn't there because nothing new wpuld EVER happen

There was a time where I did not like Konidias, for a couple reason. One I was kind of immature. Second was that Stefan devoted almost all his time to Graal 2001 back then (as did many others'). Now things are different, Graal 2001 would be a relic of the past if it wasn't for him

Sir Triclops · #5 01-04-2002, 05:48 AM

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Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_
Damn you people don't you understand? Konidias is basically the ONLY person that does work on Graal 2001. He deserves whatever he needs to get the job done. I sure as hell would really worry for Graal 2001 is Konidias wasn't there because nothing new wpuld EVER happen

There was a time where I did not like Konidias, for a couple reason. One I was kind of immature. Second was that Stefan devoted almost all his time to Graal 2001 back then (as did many others'). Now things are different, Graal 2001 would be a relic of the past if it wasn't for him

Konidias isn't the only person good at tiling, npc's, gfx, and with ideas. There are many people who could do what he does.

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_ · #6 01-04-2002, 05:58 AM

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Originally posted by Sir Triclops

Konidias isn't the only person good at tiling, npc's, gfx, and with ideas. There are many people who could do what he does.

I don't see anyone else doing it so until that happens...

Torankusu · #7 01-04-2002, 06:01 AM

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Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_

I don't see anyone else doing it so until that happens...

when the people offer their assistance, I doubt they get a reply at all.

AlkarenHyralt · #8 01-04-2002, 06:03 AM

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Originally posted by Torankusu
when the people offer their assistance, I doubt they get a reply at all.

Indeed, when help is offered people are ignored.

Brad0629 · #9 01-04-2002, 06:04 AM

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Originally posted by AlkarenHyralt

Seriously. Most of the players call us staff corrupt, no matter what the reason. 90% of the time it isn't corrupt in the least bit. But the word corrupt, in itself, has been corrupted to mean something totally different and has almost lost all meaning at the same time. Because such a thing has happened whenever someone wants to help, people think that they just want power. This prevents such people from helping. It's not about power always, and it's not always about money. People just assume though that everything is.

I got called corrupt for warping somewhere once. When look at birdbird, when was the last time you saw him WALK somewhere? I got called corrupt and was fired automatically because Loriels an ******* (hi ***** ban me if you want).

Sir Triclops · #10 01-04-2002, 06:04 AM

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Originally posted by Torankusu
when the people offer their assistance, I doubt they get a reply at all.

That's pretty much on the mark.

Solareon · #11 01-04-2002, 06:06 AM

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Originally posted by ArchOwl

which levels have you seen

archowlshouse,or zols, or zolsv2, or zolsv3, or zbs arena, please be more specific,and if you mean all,thats very offending,because the first 3 i KNOW are bad

he claims that only the first 3 are bad, the last two are about the same quality lol. He thinks his levels are good but he never sends out pictures of HIS GOOD levels. all the levels he sends out are crap and look like they were something from some ancient classic player house. Yes granted he may have over 1k posts but posts are like hours and mean nothing. Although posts to some extent show how well you grasp the forums or how active you are in the forums. I Find people that constantly beg for a job to just want the job for power or they work for delteria. (You all know Delteria has a secret plot to become staff on all the servers and then steal all their scripts and levels and put them on Delteria and claim delteria is the best

)

Oh well I guess some people don't understand no the first time.

HoudiniMan · #12 01-04-2002, 06:09 AM

I'm relatively new to the forums but not to Graal. I understand the point Koni was trying to put across and i agree. If we want new things to happen in Graal as a whole we are going to need new people with new ideas. We can't expect Stephan to be a bottomless well of ideas for improvements to the game and nobody could. The forums are a great way to put across new ideas to people with the ability to put them to use but the admins have to check the forums to get the info. I'm not going on a rant about the admins never reading anything in here, they are busy. People hear the word "busy" and most simply don't understand what it means... Its not that they don't have the time but more that they have other priorities. You can't expect Stephan or any of the other admins to persistently moniter the forums in real time. Sure, we could make whole new positions for a couple of people to do nothing but moniter the forums and relay good ideas back to the admins but think of it this way: Let a bucket of dirt represent the melting pot of ideas that is the forums. If you have somebody do relay ideas thats kinda like a filter or a sifter (really a sieve but i don't know how to spell that for sure and most people have never heard of it) if you put enough filters between the dirt and the admins very few ideas are going to get through. The first step in solving Graal's problems and making improvements is to find a way to give as many people as possible the ability to submit an idea... This doesn't mean i think we should hire 500 level makers or what-not but i do think both the admins and the players need to strive to gather ideas. Whether that be the admins checking the forums more in-depth or the players finding ways to make their ideas stand out more to the admins. Every day is a graal revolution so to speak, we get new people every day and they will, at one time or another, have more than just an opinion of "that needs to be made better". They might just have an idea of how it could be better and until there is a way to get ideas considered... we will never escpae from the hole we have dug our selves into trying to get more dirt to put through the filters.

Sorry for my complete lack of paragraphs and sentence structure but i was concentrating on what i was saying... any comments are welcome =)

Also sorry i took so many words! My fingers are tired =P

ArchOwl · #13 01-04-2002, 06:19 AM

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Originally posted by Solareon

Yes granted he may have over 1k posts but posts are like hours and mean nothing. Although posts to some extent show how well you grasp the forums or how active you are in the forums.

Posts show status. A noob with 5 hours wont NEAR be as respected as someone with 800 hours.

And, you said that most people ask for a staff position because of power.

What cannot you grasp about "I WANT TO HELP GRAAL2001."

Solareon · #14 01-04-2002, 06:25 AM

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Originally posted by ArchOwl

Posts show status. A noob with 5 hours wont NEAR be as respected as someone with 800 hours.

And, you said that most people ask for a staff position because of power.

What cannot you grasp about "I WANT TO HELP GRAAL2001."

"You want to help graal2k1 suck more okay you are hired" ~Staff Admin Dude

this is how staff are hired you understand that right? If you have 1000 hours on g2k1 (I think corpse is barely over 2100 hours, he's the highest) people will not hire you based on that. They hire based on if you are their friend, give them money, or help them get more power. People who try and help graal are banned because they express thier feelings about how graal 2k1 (see first post in this thread if you want to know) could be better. Things that would improve graal as a whole cannot be done because of people like you trying to say they will help graal but when they find out all the goodies they have then they become corrupt. This is how life works. This is how graal works.

(if None of the above made any sense to anyone thank you and try your call later)

Metal-Slug · #15 01-04-2002, 06:25 AM

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Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_
Damn you people don't you understand? Konidias is basically the ONLY person that does work on Graal 2001. He deserves whatever he needs to get the job done. I sure as hell would really worry for Graal 2001 is Konidias wasn't there because nothing new wpuld EVER happen

There was a time where I did not like Konidias, for a couple reason. One I was kind of immature. Second was that Stefan devoted almost all his time to Graal 2001 back then (as did many others'). Now things are different, Graal 2001 would be a relic of the past if it wasn't for him

there are people all over graal that are good at that stuff, and i don't doubt him as a developer at all, just as a nice person i do, also, not enough people in the world can lift hes ego

AlkarenHyralt · #16 01-04-2002, 06:36 AM

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Originally posted by ArchOwl

Posts show status. A noob with 5 hours wont NEAR be as respected as someone with 800 hours.

And, you said that most people ask for a staff position because of power.

What cannot you grasp about "I WANT TO HELP GRAAL2001."

Post count means nothing. It saddens me that you think it does.

mike_king · #17 01-04-2002, 06:36 AM

I agree with alot of what everyone is saying on here. Yes some of the Admins and all the GMs could be doing moreon 2k1 but maybe if there werent GMs, maybe if there were just admins for 2k1 and admins for 2k2 they wouldnt have to strech themselves so thin overthe servers and can concentrate on just fixing and re-building that server, or if they hired people to do it.

Right now they have good police chiefs and some good level makers, but on 2k1 you dont see many level makers anymore.

If they hired evern a few and those few actually did their jobs and submitted the work and its was half-decent the server, bit by bit would get better.

and if those people could get the level admin who has FTP to bringdown a level so they can make levels that connect on to that and expand the world of 2k1 then slowly the server would get bigger and better and continue to stay dense.

but you dont see many Level makers.....and I dont see the level admin trying to get many either, i mean its been a little while since I have seen new sections of 2k1 go up and usually its birdbirds stuff that goes up.

- Wind Rider

ArchOwl · #18 01-04-2002, 06:42 AM

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Originally posted by Solareon

this is how staff are hired you understand that right? If you have 1000 hours on g2k1 (I think corpse is barely over 2100 hours, he's the highest) people will not hire you based on that. They hire based on if you are their friend, give them money, or help them get more power. People who try and help graal are banned because they express thier feelings about how graal 2k1 (see first post in this thread if you want to know) could be better. Things that would improve graal as a whole cannot be done because of people like you trying to say they will help graal but when they find out all the goodies they have then they become corrupt. This is how life works. This is how graal works.

(if None of the above made any sense to anyone thank you and try your call later)

haha

HoudiniMan · #19 01-04-2002, 06:59 AM

wow, now i know how it feels to be ignored in the forums O.o

Jinx · #20 01-04-2002, 07:47 AM

Mindless repedative complaints are probibly half of graals problem.

What's going on here is different, Konidias is voicing his opinion and backing it up with details and reasons.

There is a big difference.

-Jinx

Neonight · #21 01-04-2002, 07:56 AM

I agree wholeheartedly with Konidias... If anyone remembers when the bank was new on the only server, there were people that'd just simply enable their own weapons and ride a horse and PK. Anyone remember that? Inside the bank when people hacked... That was bad, but it's, sadly, one of the only memories I have left of the olden Graal.

I suppose if Konidias gets banned, then I should be banned too.

Kasuagi · #22 01-04-2002, 08:16 AM

graal is a game ran by the players, for the players. the game is unique in it's own ways. it has it's pro's and con's. just like any other game does

stefan is a genius in my mind. who would of though of it, hire a bunch of kids to do your work for you?! i mean, you won't have to pay them and you'll only have to do a few minor things, maybe log on a few times a week. i bet stefan has it all planned out, yet he cares for the players, to a certain degree

without people like stefan, konidias, and that's about the only people i can think of that are current admins and interested in graal's future, not towards themselves, but the players!

i think i understand why koni puts so much effort into this game. he is trying to help stefan and all. the guy wants to be a video game designer, this experience will help him a lot in the long run and he learns more and more about online gaming day by day. i idolize konidias, even if he ignores my pms and attempts to communicate with him, same for stefan. i'm just as interested in graal as anyone else, but i'm very limited

i respect stefan and admire him, he brough innovation and a new style of online gameplay to all of us. konidias, keep up the good work. as far as staff goes, i think you, alk, and snakeeyes are the best on graal

please stefan, listen to your players for a change and look at them as players, not consumers. it might actually help more than what you think!

yoshee15 · #23 01-04-2002, 08:29 AM

ArchOwl, please stop implementing that you want the HLM job, that is something you just can't start out as. You should know all of the commands like addtiledef, and be able to make awesome levels and have creativity. Try our for simple Level Maker, and work your way up with effort and cooperation.

TrueHeaT · #24 01-04-2002, 09:57 AM

What has Graal become? A lot worse since your tileset.

BADABADUM CHING
HAHA
GIVE ME A HAND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
THANK YOU VERY MUCH

but seriously, g2k2 is the best thing to happen to graal, sorry if you don't like it konidas, but it's awesome.

konidias · #25 01-04-2002, 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by TrueHeaT
What has Graal become? A lot worse since your tileset.

BADABADUM CHING
HAHA
GIVE ME A HAND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
THANK YOU VERY MUCH

but seriously, g2k2 is the best thing to happen to graal, sorry if you don't like it konidas, but it's awesome.

I'm not even going to give your attitude about me a response.

Torankusu · #26 01-04-2002, 10:31 AM

"HEY I WANT 2 HELP GRALE LOOK @ THEIS GRAFX NPCS ADN LEVELS. I ALSO HAVE A MASTERS DEGREE IN COMPUTER TECHNITIONS STUFS ADN A DELPHI LICENS 2 MAK OFISHl GAMS."

"STEFAN OR LORIEL: BIRDBIRD ARE YOU DONE WITH THOSE FIFTEEN PROJECTS YET?"

Juron Pilo · #27 01-04-2002, 10:31 AM

...cmon some normal players act better than this

Kasuagi · #28 01-04-2002, 10:34 AM

sounds like someones jealous

JubeiSaotomeX · #29 01-04-2002, 10:36 AM

klondias' tileset is MUCH better than the old one, the old one was worse than klondias' by 342324%

FatherDante · #30 01-04-2002, 10:37 AM

There are a lot of people who can do levels and scripting and would like access to FTP and staff powers. The difference between them and Konidias is that some of them are not so easily offended, almost none are so completely demeaning whenever offended, and many are not as self-righteous and self-praising.

Can't anyone get it through their head that if all you talk about is how selfless you are, you are not selfless? Alkaren? Peach? Konidias?

Juron Pilo · #31 01-04-2002, 10:40 AM

he's right... do not turn selflessness into glory....

konidias · #32 01-04-2002, 10:41 AM

When do I talk about how selfless I am Dante? Please tell me. Just because I say I'm not here for power or money that means I'm self-praising? I thought that was how you're SUPPOSED to be.. I didn't know not being corrupt was such a wonderful new development.

I don't praise myself, your just mistaking self-praise for self-gratification.. I feel good about my work and projects, I'm not going to be like so many others that say "man my work sucks.." "oh here is my new level but it isn't that good because I'm a sucky level maker" It's like they want you to say "no you're not, it's good" and I'm not like that.

Juron Pilo · #33 01-04-2002, 10:43 AM

*grins* aww heck you seem nice enough except for when you responded to TH... erm... I don't like telling anyone how they should run things... but perhaps the middle road is best yes?

Kasuagi · #34 01-04-2002, 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by Juron Pilo
*grins* aww heck you seem nice enough except for when you responded to TH... erm... I don't like telling anyone how they should run things... but perhaps the middle road is best yes?

wtf?

Valder · #35 01-04-2002, 10:51 AM

You know what, SCREW GRAAL! Contego quit because there was too much crap for him to deal with and now Loriel flashes around his power 24/7 acting like he can do whatever he wants without consiquence(sp?) which is probably true. I've noticed that out of all the staff members the only ones that are good and worth keeping are Koni, Alkaren, James, James205, Kawaii, Stefan, Zorro, and Lamer because they don't abuse power that I know of and are a lot better to talk to then Loriel and Birdbird who can basically do whatever they want on graal. It just pisses me off that they can do whatever the hell they want whenever they want without stefan doing anything about it. Loriel threatened to ban people on 2k2 because they were asking him questions and he was "DND" like he usually is. If that's the kind of treatment paying customers get then this game isn't really worth it. I guess when my account is up, I'm not paying for another year because the treatment players get is just disgusting.

AlkarenHyralt · #36 01-04-2002, 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by FatherDante
Can't anyone get it through their head that if all you talk about is how selfless you are, you are not selfless? Alkaren? Peach? Konidias?

Hi Dante. I've been wondering when you would come in and say something along the lines that I don't truely want to help the forums. Or should I just sit back and stare at my computer moniter and not mention how much I want to help the forums? That way, no one knows of my intention to help?

That comes pretty close to all that though, though I am puzzled as to why you mentioned Peach...

Kasuagi · #37 01-04-2002, 10:55 AM

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Originally posted by Valder
You know what, SCREW GRAAL! Contego quit because there was too much crap for him to deal with and now Loriel flashes around his power 24/7 acting like he can do whatever he wants without consiquence(sp?) which is probably true. I've noticed that out of all the staff members the only ones that are good and worth keeping are Koni, James, James205, Kawaii, Stefan, Zorro, and Lamer because they don't abuse power that I know of and are a lot better to talk to then Loriel and Birdbird who can basically do whatever they want on graal. It just pisses me off that they can do whatever the hell they want whenever they want without stefan doing anything about it. Loriel threatened to ban people on 2k2 because they were asking him questions and he was "DND" like he usually is. If that's the kind of treatment paying customers get then this game isn't really worth it. I guess when my account is up, I'm not paying for another year because the treatment players get is just disgusting.

dude, that is so true. grr, contego quit? man, that blows

first snakeeyes, now contego! damn

Amagius · #38 01-04-2002, 10:55 AM

I think that being confident in work is not bad....nor sohuld you put yourself down NOR should you put anyone else or Be Over Confident, Dante? Konidias has not put himself down...he has not put other ppl's work down (well the old tileset) and he hasn't really been that Over Confiedent? And to Get back to the thread....Corrupton has littered Graal long before this post and people talked about Corruption 2 years ago...realize there is always going to be Corruption and Greed....There will be economic Screw ups on Hats and Crap....it's just there and you can't launch a Awakening to stop....Sorry...Period.
*playing Ataraxia to get in the whole drama mood*

(P.S. Konidias look at PM)

AlkarenHyralt · #39 01-04-2002, 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by Valder
You know what, SCREW GRAAL! Contego quit because there was too much crap for him to deal with and now Loriel flashes around his power 24/7 acting like he can do whatever he wants without consiquence(sp?) which is probably true. I've noticed that out of all the staff members the only ones that are good and worth keeping are Koni, Alkaren, James, James205, Kawaii, Stefan, Zorro, and Lamer because they don't abuse power that I know of and are a lot better to talk to then Loriel and Birdbird who can basically do whatever they want on graal. It just pisses me off that they can do whatever the hell they want whenever they want without stefan doing anything about it. Loriel threatened to ban people on 2k2 because they were asking him questions and he was "DND" like he usually is. If that's the kind of treatment paying customers get then this game isn't really worth it. I guess when my account is up, I'm not paying for another year because the treatment players get is just disgusting.

Just so you know, contego is mainly the reason SnakeEyes has quit. Contego is not some martyer here, nor is he a good guy. I'm very happy he has quit. Maybe now we will get a good gm.

Valder · #40 01-04-2002, 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by AlkarenHyralt

Just so you know, contego is mainly the reason SnakeEyes has quit. Contego is not some martyer here, nor is he a good guy. I'm very happy he has quit. Maybe now we will get a good gm.

Yeah, right. Contego was good and he was a friend of mine but now we are probably going to have Birdbird or Loriel as a GM which means that this game is going to die in a month or two.