My Unholy Nation Experience

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Just like the official Graal forums!

I know right?

[SwimChao]

I think it's a generalization to say that all of UN's staff can do that. The truth is, plenty of staff get in trouble for it. I don't know what lets Luca slip through the cracks and make comments like that, though.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by SwimChao

I think it's a generalization to say that all of UN's staff can do that. The truth is, plenty of staff get in trouble for it. I don't know what lets Luca slip through the cracks and make comments like that, though.

Power trip?

[SwimChao]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

Power trip?

Something along those lines, I guess. I won't speculate.

I know it seems to me that he's been getting away with a lot since GK promoted him.

[Cloven]

Originally Posted by SwimChao

I know it seems to me that he's been getting away with a lot since GK promoted him.

Many people get away with too many things for too many different reasons (most of them being of a negative nature). The screenshot'ed comment involving Luca, in fairness, is rather tame by historical comparison. This has long been the case in general, and, while certainly noticeable on UN the problem is certainly not unique to UN.

The fact of the matter is: How much respect/professionalism/accountability/etc. can any of use really expect on Graal? (Note I am not asking how much we probably should expect, which is a whole different issue altogether).

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by Cloven

Many people get away with too many things for too many different reasons (most of them being of a negative nature). The screenshot'ed comment involving Luca, in fairness, is rather tame by historical comparison. This has long been the case in general, and, while certainly noticeable on UN the problem is certainly not unique to UN.

The fact of the matter is: How much respect/professionalism/accountability/etc. can any of use really expect on Graal? (Note I am not asking how much we probably should expect, which is a whole different issue altogether).

while we may not expect it from many server staff, i'd think most expect a higher level of maturity from the PWA who are asked to solve these immature server staff problems

[MysticX2X]

My words on this forum and the general productivity of UN doesn't mandate any retort from me.

Funny thing is that he says that after disappearing for a week without notice

[Mark Sir Link]

I can't understand anyone who says Luca is doing a terrible job but Absolut_Crono is doing fine.

Isn't Absolut_Crono Luca's boss? Can't he like, remove him?

[kia345]

But then who will make the colorful particle effects and plant them in TC?

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by kia345

But then who will make the colorful particle effects and plant them in TC?

Probably Yen, can't go wrong with some rainbow script influence on a server with a exploitable playercount.

[Imperialistic]

Calani playing this role as "Luca" isn't working out so much.

[Mark Sir Link]

apparently UN's management is now attempting to demonize me or something since out of the blue I am being harassed by their pals about what they've been "told by crono, luca, and khyber"

they should do a better job though and not tell players **** like "CakeDogs and PresentCats" was an event I made. I mean, come on guys, if you want to make me look like the person who doesn't/didn't do work or only output poor quality work, you could do it much better than that.

I haven't really called Luca's ability into question but how is that 15 triggeraction per sword swing working out for you, pal?

EDIT: More on that, I find it odd that someone who would code something like that to begin with is the head of all development on UN to begin with. The fact that he added it and then left it there when players were suffering tremendous lag issues whenever they were hit by a sword is even worse.

[Absolut_Crono]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

apparently UN's management is now attempting to demonize me or something since out of the blue I am being harassed by their pals about what they've been "told by crono, luca, and khyber"

they should do a better job though and not tell players **** like "CakeDogs and PresentCats" was an event I made. I mean, come on guys, if you want to make me look like the person who doesn't/didn't do work or only output poor quality work, you could do it much better than that.

No one has spoken to me about you in a long time, with the exception of Mystic and Ben Rain once or twice, so it's not got anything to do with me. Also, I know for a fact you didn't make that event, ee and Gamerkid made it. I dont think it is "poor quality", it is very bright like Robot Unicorn attack (flash game). Either you love it or you hate it really, but no one is forced to play it.

The other Luca stuff really doesn't have much to do with me. BD Chose Luca as Co-Manager, GK as Dev Manager, I stepped into it like that, and have been trying to work out the kinks as best as I can without outright firing Luca so as to not seem biased. I mean, we haven't gotten along for quite some time now, so it would look like bias on my part to fire someone without giving them a chance. I admit though, I had a conversation with a certain member of the PWA that changed my opinion at one point. Just looking forward to good things now!

[SlikRick]

Originally Posted by Absolut_Crono

The other Luca stuff really doesn't have much to do with me. BD Chose Luca as Co-Manager, GK as Dev Manager, I stepped into it like that, and have been trying to work out the kinks as best as I can without outright firing Luca so as to not seem biased. I mean, we haven't gotten along for quite some time now, so it would look like bias on my part to fire someone without giving them a chance. I admit though, I had a conversation with a certain member of the PWA that changed my opinion at one point. Just looking forward to good things now!

As a Manager you will always make decisions that some people won't like and will find reasons to criticize you, it comes with the territory. If half of what I have heard about Luca is true then it is doing more damage keeping him then getting rid of him and taking the heat from his friends. Just because somebody was promoted under old Management doesn't mean that they deserve the position or that they have a right to maintain that position. You have to look at the big picture of what is best for the server and community as a whole, not what will benefit some people or keeping certain people off your back because they do not agree with your decisions. There have always been those kinds of people on this game that just find the littlest things wrong with Managers and pick at it because they have nothing better to do, or they like to troll people.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by SlikRick

As a Manager you will always make decisions that some people won't like and will find reasons to criticize you, it comes with the territory. If half of what I have heard about Luca is true then it is doing more damage keeping him then getting rid of him and taking the heat from his friends. Just because somebody was promoted under old Management doesn't mean that they deserve the position or that they have a right to maintain that position. You have to look at the big picture of what is best for the server and community as a whole, not what will benefit some people or keeping certain people off your back because they do not agree with your decisions. There have always been those kinds of people on this game that just find the littlest things wrong with Managers and pick at it because they have nothing better to do, or they like to troll people.

but UN staff has always been about keeping certain people off your back~!

[jorollychu]

kevin if someone brought up your history on other servers they wouldnt even need to make things up about u

[Mark Sir Link]

This whole Halloween world event is a joke, and how the Manager and Dev Manager of UN believe this work to be of an acceptable standard is pretty indicative of their inability.

The whole Pumpkin Carving Contest was awful, there was nearly a 2 week submission time for entry and about 20 minutes in which to vote, and from what I understand the winners haven't even gotten prizes since the management has changed their mind.

I'm not sure how it's even legal that this Pumpkin Flashbang requires players to spend in game currency to disable. Really? A bright white flash on their screen that can be spammed by players working together? Graal might want to add a warning for epileptics since the only way to disable it is to spend time playing and potentially running the risk of exposure to it.

Zombie infection - maybe the worse release so far, released without any sort of consideration for what it might effect (ruined events like Typido and a few others) and doesn't even work well, the triggeraction seems to be put about .1 tiles away from the player so unless you're right on top of your target, it doesn't work.


The management has certainly risen to the occasion of showing how inept they are, I can only hope the PWA might actually stop ignoring the problems and do something.

[jorollychu]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

The management has certainly risen to the occasion of showing how inept they are, I can only hope the PWA might actually stop ignoring the problems and do something.

Haha good luck with that buddy. The PWA is completely aware of what's wrong with UN and chooses to ignore it. Ben used to openly discuss the problems with UN management, but as soon as he became a junior PWA he suddenly became oblivious to what's going on over there? I find that hard to believe and think his relationship with Luca is more likely to be the cause of his inaction.

[MysticX2X]

Has anyone submitted a formal complaint yet, or what.

[BigBear3]

Shouldn't this be better than a formal complaint?

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by BigBear3

Shouldn't this be better than a formal complaint?

It would be if anyone gave a damn to read it.

[kia345]

UN's classy forums are the only ones that matter, these ones are for nerds with no lives, right Warhawk?

[SwimChao]

To be completely honest I took you serious for a little while, and was concerned. I was worried about how you were treated, and I was worried about how the server was being run.

You've all said some things I agree with in this thread. However, now you're all just letting out steam and being pricks because things didn't go your way.

It's no longer about a bigger issue, if it ever even was.

Frankly disgusted even reading this.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by SwimChao

To be completely honest I took you serious for a little while, and was concerned. I was worried about how you were treated, and I was worried about how the server was being run.

You've all said some things I agree with in this thread. However, now you're all just letting out steam and being pricks because things didn't go your way.

It's no longer about a bigger issue, if it ever even was.

Frankly disgusted even reading this.

I understand what you're saying Streety. We're all from different parts of this game, We're definitely not all one big family so it's bound to come to bickering when there's nothing left that's necessary to say in a topic like this

[SwimChao]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

I understand what you're saying Streety. We're all from different parts of this game, We're definitely not all one big family so it's bound to come to bickering when there's nothing left that's necessary to say in a topic like this

It's just a little disheartening for people who actually are trying to do something. You guys are effectively doing the same thing that was done to you, in essence, by dragging this topic on.

On a side note: You can no longer be a zombie on ET center, Events, or spar.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by SwimChao

To be completely honest I took you serious for a little while, and was concerned. I was worried about how you were treated, and I was worried about how the server was being run.

You've all said some things I agree with in this thread. However, now you're all just letting out steam and being pricks because things didn't go your way.

It's no longer about a bigger issue, if it ever even was.

Frankly disgusted even reading this.

lol, so you agreed with it until I critiqued some things you had a hand in? No need to confirm/deny, your neg rep does the job well enough.

[SwimChao]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

lol, so you agreed with it until I critiqued some things you had a hand in?

No, note I haven't made a post in this topic for a long time.

I agreed with the underlying point of the topic. I disagree with you acting like a toddler crying about every tiny thing, and trying to use it as leverage to get your way.

You're just being a jackass.

PS. Fairly certain I haven't given you any reputation points at all. I did rep down nervnat though.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by SwimChao

No, note I haven't made a post in this topic for a long time.

I agreed with the underlying point of the topic. I disagree with you acting like a toddler crying about every tiny thing, and trying to use it as leverage to get your way.

You're just being a jackass.

I'm inclined to believe this since you neg repped me for a post critical of your work, and felt the need to post here and even harass me on player about it.

Are you trying to tell me that your releases were well thought out or planned? Players are still walking on walls and moving backwards as zombies, and obviously no consideration was placed on what these changes might do to Town Center Spar or Events.

I don't know why you are taking it so personally, but I do find it sort of like "acting like a toddler". I know there are many people with a critical eye who are willing to test out abstract details of stuff people are working on, because I ran nearly everything I made by them and had them work on it. I also asked for players to beta test things constantly before release, and as a result, was able to avoid any sort of major game stoppage like this.

You may try to justify what you did as "releasing something to the players" but it feels rushed and not worked very hard on, especially when when they are as game breaking as some of these updates were.




I can't prove it was you, but I know the administrators here have been willing to reveal who left negative rep that is considered rude in the past.

[SwimChao]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

I'm inclined to believe this since you neg repped me for a post critical of your work, and felt the need to post here and even harass me on player about it.

Are you trying to tell me that your releases were well thought out or planned? Players are still walking on walls and moving backwards as zombies, and obviously no consideration was placed on what these changes might do to Town Center Spar or Events.

I don't know why you are taking it so personally, but I do find it sort of like "acting like a toddler". I know there are many people with a critical eye who are willing to test out abstract details of stuff people are working on, because I ran nearly everything I made by them and had them work on it. I also asked for players to beta test things constantly before release, and as a result, was able to avoid any sort of major game stoppage like this.

You may try to justify what you did as "releasing something to the players" but it feels rushed and not worked very hard on, especially when when they are as game breaking as some of these updates were.

Then you can believe that, and I'll give you the negative rep tomorrow to fill the hole.

I never one time argued the facts that there were bugs with the systems. Went about fixing them as best as I could immediately after reading the post, too.

I could sit here and try to poke the verbal knife at you personally too, but none of this has anything to do with what I said.

You're being a jackass in the way you're complaining and crying about everything and trying to use it to your advantage. Like I said, I agreed with the beginning of this topic. Now all I get out of this is a lot of .

That's up to administrators to reveal who negative repped you. But it certainly wasn't me. I'm starting to want to, though.

PS. The BOOnades have also been nerfed down a bit.

[xnervNATx]

same town..same hats..same halloween events, no wonder the playercount is going down

[SwimChao]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

same town..same hats..same halloween events, no wonder the playercount is going down

Same events? Same hats?

The only recurring thing is the theme of the town, and the Halloween shop where you can buy items from past years. Greatly confused by your comment.

Couldn't you at least make sense and prod at how annoying the flashbang is?

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by SwimChao

Same events? Same hats?

The only recurring thing is the theme of the town, and the Halloween shop where you can buy items from past years. Greatly confused by your comment.

Couldn't you at least make sense and prod at how annoying the flashbang is?

8/10 hats from door quiz were already out from last year i do not see anything new in that.

[Mark Sir Link]

I'm not sure why you're trying to discredit me by calling my posts offensive and saying I'm crying. I would think that's something you get used to after awhile on Graal, since players seem to take issue with just about every update, no?

Hell, I know from experience that players will even frown upon an update widely considered to be useful/good for some personal reason. Snoop413 asked for an option to hide the forum options from what I can only assume was some sort of personal vendetta, considering according to his player flags, he began to use some of the provided options.

However, I don't know why you think I'm making this personal. Every issue I have noted in this thread is entirely legitimate. We're both quite aware that the zombie infection allows players to walk on walls and until just recently allowed disruption in events and spars. We both know that the flashbang NPC is potentially life threatening to any players who might have epilepsy.

These events have passed and I hope will be a good learning point for the people involved in their creation and release and will prevent similar things from happening again, but if no one had brought these issues up, would anyone have learned from these mistakes?

EDIT: And I just saw a message saying that purchasing of protection for the flashbangs has been refunded and this coverage is now included for free, and I appreciate that change very much. However, the wording left me confused as to whether or not it was free for all players or only those who had spent 10 EP on the original protection, because I firmly believe that with an effect like this, all players should have immunity to it for free and that the ability to turn it off should be much more advertised.

[snoop413]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

Snoop413 asked for an option to hide the forum options from what I can only assume was some sort of personal vendetta, considering according to his player flags, he began to use some of the provided options.

whaa? i joke around a lot with people but i never held anything personal against you, or anyone from graal for that matter. you were one of the few dev's on UN who did something on a regular basis.

[SwimChao]

To be honest, I appreciate that you brought them up. I'll admit, even though I said I wasn't through PMs, I was a little bit offended. Only because I was actually trying to put something out for the holiday, regardless of how tiny it was. That's no excuse for incompetence, and I should have definitely considered the bugs in the zombie infection.

It was even a little unjust of me to pick at your tone, because that's something not easily defined through text.

Here are a list of things Jazz and I changed tonight:
• Made it so people can't be zombies in ET Center, Spar and Events levels

• Fixed a bug in regards to Zombies customized speed conflicting with the speed adjustment when under a bush.

• Nerfed the flashbang weapon significantly

• Refunded players for the protection from "BOOnades" and made it a free feature in the protection weapon


Not everything can be covered in closed testing. Sometimes it takes the community to find the bugs that are going to be exploited.

[kia345]

Can zombies still walk through walls if they're going backwards and grabbing?


Because I totally wrecked Oasa's win with that.

[Imperialistic]

Kev, no offense; Streety and who ever else helped the construction of this years Halloween festival obviously attempted to entertain the players. It isn't the best, no. But there is only so much you can do, with limitations. I found a dislike in the quest, and I PMed Streety about it personally, and told him what I thought, probably because it was the best way to handle things.

Why is there a need to bring this to the public eye and contributing to it as if it was a humiliation attempt?

[Mark Sir Link]

I never mentioned anyone by name until someone decided to attack me.

[SwimChao]

Just another note, I had no idea the weapon had been changed to infect players with the zombie infection.

That was also removed because that's absolutely ridiculous to add to a player weapon, let alone one that (at the time) flashes a player's entire screen white.

I cannot be held accountable if it is changed back, though.

[Absolut_Crono]

Originally Posted by SwimChao

Just another note, I had no idea the weapon had been changed to infect players with the zombie infection.

That was also removed because that's absolutely ridiculous to add to a player weapon, let alone one that (at the time) flashes a player's entire screen white.

I cannot be held accountable if it is changed back, though.

It was SUPPOSED to nullify the zombie infection as far as I know. Don't know if Luca changed it at some point though.