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Old 03-03-2008, 12:56 AM
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The primary barrier to development is the extremely closed-source nature of 2K2's core system. Things like important variable/function names are unknown even to developers. If some sort of library of function names, variable names, source code for monsters, spells, equipment, etc (with sensitive numbers blanked out) were to be publicly released, you'd see a lot of people making and submitting new content (though that doesn't mean it will be effective new content).
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Old 03-03-2008, 01:39 AM
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The primary barrier to development is the extremely closed-source nature of 2K2's core system. Things like important variable/function names are unknown even to developers. If some sort of library of function names, variable names, source code for monsters, spells, equipment, etc (with sensitive numbers blanked out) were to be publicly released, you'd see a lot of people making and submitting new content (though that doesn't mean it will be effective new content).
Exactly.

People have asked me to make certain things which I simply cannot because I would need access to the code for certain systems. Bjorn is the one telling them to get someone to make stuff, but how can we do that without access to the systems?
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Old 03-03-2008, 02:11 AM
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Leveling, Itemization, etc. It's all broken.
It's not broken, it's just not the way you want it to be. Perhaps what you feel is the good way.


We want changes. Not fixes.
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Old 03-03-2008, 03:12 AM
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cbk, why do you continually go "I would help, but I'm not gonna apply, I want you to beg me to join." Just apply if you want to help.
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Old 03-03-2008, 04:38 AM
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cbk, why do you continually go "I would help, but I'm not gonna apply, I want you to beg me to join." Just apply if you want to help.
He means what he says. He would help if asked but he doesn't want to apply. He can do the work but he doesn't want to unless completely necessary.
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Exactly.

People have asked me to make certain things which I simply cannot because I would need access to the code for certain systems. Bjorn is the one telling them to get someone to make stuff, but how can we do that without access to the systems?
Then again, if you did apply and got appointed you are most likely to get access to the things you require.
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Old 03-03-2008, 06:08 AM
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Then again, if you did apply and got appointed you are most likely to get access to the things you require.
Less likely than you think.
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Old 03-03-2008, 06:33 AM
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He means what he says. He would help if asked but he doesn't want to apply. He can do the work but he doesn't want to unless completely necessary.


Then again, if you did apply and got appointed you are most likely to get access to the things you require.
I wouldn't get appointed, and I don't really want a job at the moment.

If you want help, feel free to forum PM me and I will be happy to make whatever you need. Already helped several people with some basic scripts.
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Less likely than you think.
True, when was the last time they hired a scripter?
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cbk, why do you continually go "I would help, but I'm not gonna apply, I want you to beg me to join." Just apply if you want to help.
I don't want a job right now on any servers. I've told people I'm willing to help, just send me a forum PM and I'll be happy to script whatever I can.
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Old 03-04-2008, 03:11 AM
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Old 03-04-2008, 05:10 AM
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It's not broken, it's just not the way you want it to be. Perhaps what you feel is the good way.


We want changes. Not fixes.
Speak for yourself.

I want fixes. Not changes. I don't give a damn about "new content". If I had the option to relive Graal Kingdoms year 2002/2003 over and over again... I would!

I'd even give 2004-2006 a chance as well. Sounds like it wasn't so bad then either.
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No, I don't.

Please post constructively.

I said in my earlier post, I am willing to help out with whatever anyone needs, however at this time I do not want a job.
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Old 03-04-2008, 05:53 AM
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True, when was the last time they hired a scripter?
I meant that even with debug, you don't get access to the things that I mentioned.
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I meant that even with debug, you don't get access to the things that I mentioned.
Is it even possible to script anything (that will actually work when uploaded on debug) for GK without access to the stuff you mentioned?
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Old 03-04-2008, 06:44 AM
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Is it even possible to script anything (that will actually work when uploaded on debug) for GK without access to the stuff you mentioned?
It's not accurate to say you have access to nothing, since you can get some variable and function names. You can make working scripts but scripting most of the stuff you guys talk about wouldn't be possible.
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Old 03-04-2008, 11:22 PM
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It's not accurate to say you have access to nothing, since you can get some variable and function names. You can make working scripts but scripting most of the stuff you guys talk about wouldn't be possible.
Right.

About the only thing I've been able to make by request was a kicking script for MMT.
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Right.

About the only thing I've been able to make by request was a kicking script for MMT.
Reminds me of something.

I want a command to remove people from my playerhouse if they won't leave.
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