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[unixmad]

Before giving advice try one time in your life to get any money from advertising:

- Advertiser never accept Ads on forums
- You get close to nothing with ads, only very big site get some money all others work for free.

Originally Posted by Twinny

You could probably make more than that in less that a month if you would at least try to add advertising to non-gold subscribers.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by unixmad

then graal will be closed since years.

It will be anyways, like, soonish. I'm pretty damn sure about that.

Originally Posted by unixmad

Before giving advice try one time in your life to get any money from advertising:

- Advertiser never accept Ads on forums
- You get close to nothing with ads, only very big site get some money all others work for free.

To get back to those examples...Runescape makers are rich, aswell as the creators of Maple Story or Cabal Online. They are all free games, you can play for free, use the forums for free...

[unixmad]

You don't pay for graal forums you pay for graal services, including forums.

If you don't play graal then it's really not worst it staying here.

Originally Posted by cbkbud

Like I said, noone is going to pay for the Graal forums. I'm actually very close to leaving the forums right now.

With admins who do everything they can to get money (you made the trials use half a screen, for crying out loud!), I'm really almost ready to quit, and unless there is a Universal Mac version of Graal out by the time my VIP runs out, I'm GOING to quit.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by cbkbud

Like I said, noone is going to pay for the Graal forums. I'm actually very close to leaving the forums right now.

With admins who do everything they can to get money (you made the trials use half a screen, for crying out loud!), I'm really almost ready to quit, and unless there is a Universal Mac version of Graal out by the time my VIP runs out, I'm GOING to quit.

How many programs (trial programs) have you seen that have something annoying with them, that is so annoying to people that they upgrade? I have seen many, and I have bought the programs because I liked them, but wanted to get rid of the annoying part, like pop-ups, something permanently fixed on graphics, etc....It's business.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by unixmad

If you don't play graal then it's really not worst it staying here.

Explain!
More forum users = bigger community -> more new players want to join. Dont you think so?

[unixmad]

Don't worry for us, i have always supported graal with my own money and will do in the future.

Originally Posted by Crow

It will be anyways, like, soonish. I'm pretty damn sure about that.



To get back to those examples...Runescape makers are rich, aswell as the creators of Maple Story or Cabal Online. They are all free games, you can play for free, use the forums for free...

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Crow

To get back to those examples...Runescape makers are rich, aswell as the creators of Maple Story or Cabal Online. They are all free games, you can play for free, use the forums for free...

Well, duh...if they are rich, they can afford to host it for free!
Not everyone is rich.

[unixmad]

More forums users not playing Graal = More troubles

That's a formula i have verified lot of time.

Originally Posted by Crow

Explain!
More forum users = bigger community -> more new players want to join. Dont you think so?

[DustyPorViva]

Maybe classic servers should pay to keep themselves up. I mean... a lot of them barely have players, are inactive, dead and what not. As for servers on classic that do get in players, maybe they could get donations, or when players upgrade their account, have an option to put a little of it towards their favorite server.
Either way, I think what everyone is getting at is that the forums aren't really worth upgrading. It was just a place for some people who didn't really have interest in playing Graal, to still stick around, help, keep in touch. Hell, I'm sure some people would be happy if you kept the forums free for classic if you allow some sort of donation system. Even though some of us on the forums don't play Graal any more, doesn't mean we can't help others.
EDIT: A lot of forums use advertisements that aren't annoying. They simply just implant a post somewhere in the thread that can easily be skipped over if needed. I never minded it, and it seems to work for a lot of forums.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Well, duh...if they are rich, they can afford to host it for free!
Not everyone is rich.

They actually became rich through their games. Neat additions you have to pay for, which dont make you the uber god though. Ads. I'm fine with this stuff.

Originally Posted by unixmad

More forums users not playing Graal = More troubles

That's a formula i have verified lot of time.

How so?

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Crow

Explain!
More forum users = bigger community -> more new players want to join. Dont you think so?

Making people only to be able to post when upgraded= less trolls.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

How many programs (trial programs) have you seen that have something annoying with them, that is so annoying to people that they upgrade? I have seen many, and I have bought the programs because I liked them, but wanted to get rid of the annoying part, like pop-ups, something permanently fixed on graphics, etc....It's business.

Not many. Look at...Runescape. It's an ugly game, has a horrible community (from what I've seen) and people still play it. On both trial and paid accounts. And look how long it has been around without charging people for every little thing.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Making people only to be able to post when upgraded= less trolls.

I can tell by this post you never administrated a forum.

[cbk1994]

Okay, this is going to be my last post on the subject.

I stand by what I said in my previous posts. I'm not turning away from that.

However, unixmad, Darlene, I'm sorry for getting so mad. I've stated my views, and you've rejected them.

I'm very upset about Graal for Mac, and I'm very upset about several other things that are happening to Graal v5.

So, I am sorry.

I am not going to post again on this topic.

Chris Zakuto

[Twinny]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Making people only to be able to post when upgraded= less trolls.

Trolls? They can't exist here considering how easy it is to get your post/thread shot down here