What Happened To Classic?

[Tyhm]

Maybe we need a list of what makes Classic Classic.

Nafets river, and the bridge, and Fuitad's house.
Brother's House. The Golden Gate. The aliens that are awesome at maths and say Thank you for making that.
Master Li's quest.
Some form of the lizardon caves.
Some form of the Gnome quest.
Some form of Ninji Castle.
Some form of Avalon and (regrettably, the force-uploaded) Destiny.
Supernick's. Burger Refuge. Level13.
Angel Clan.
The Wedding Chapel.
The Swamp.
The pub in the middle of the swamp.
Kull's Castle.
Sardon's Tower.
Zol's Snow Town.
Zol's Pub.
The Desert.
The Mace.
Bowling.
Vangel's Chapel.
Giant beds.

The genius of the old Classic map was that you could Learn it, and build shortcuts. On Kingdoms, if you need to get from Point A to Point B, the shortest path is a straight line - relatively few barriers, none you can't Just Kinda Walk Around. But Classic, to get to Kull's you gotta go up to Vangel's Chapel, give that guy his boots...To get from the swamp to the Snow Town you can't just go straight, you gotta take the bridge (or Fuitad's water slide) through Graal City, take the path behind SuperNick's/NL's to the dirt area, go through Nearorner/Onnett, across a little ways, up the stairs...

I generally object to Server Wipes. It only results in people re-doing other peoples' work and releasing the same ammount of content after months of work that was there in the first place. If that means continuing with the current system and worldmap, so be it - here's some features that ought to be retained, but by all means, update the Lizardon Caves as long as they're Done in some as long as you update while converting, instead of after...'cuz that sucks.

[Kristi]

Originally Posted by Tyhm

The genius of the old Classic map was that you could Learn it, and build shortcuts. On Kingdoms, if you need to get from Point A to Point B, the shortest path is a straight line - relatively few barriers, none you can't Just Kinda Walk Around. But Classic, to get to Kull's you gotta go up to Vangel's Chapel, give that guy his boots...To get from the swamp to the Snow Town you can't just go straight, you gotta take the bridge (or Fuitad's water slide) through Graal City, take the path behind SuperNick's/NL's to the dirt area, go through Nearorner/Onnett, across a little ways, up the stairs...

im taking it a step further where youve used items you've aquired to make shortcuts, like you can climb a mountain and knock down a certain tree if you find it, so you can hookshot to that fallen tree afterwards, or things along such lines.

[Infernix]

Classic is on the list to be removed as well as the other servers. Its just that well, they dont have any servers to replace classic and those other dead servers at the moment. But when they do (if ever) I'm sure they will be removed from the classic list. (May keep classic status though)

[Torankusu]

Wait now, so what is going on with classic? I see Hell Raven saying one thing, and Tyhm listing another.

I'm interested in seeing something like what you guys are talking about come back to Graal.

[Kristi]

Originally Posted by Torankusu

Wait now, so what is going on with classic? I see Hell Raven saying one thing, and Tyhm listing another.

I'm interested in seeing something like what you guys are talking about come back to Graal.

Tyhm is listing things that are old concepts of classic, what I said is actually happening, since I am in charge of it. Tyhm is a smart man and a previous developer so i am more then happy when he throws out a good list as such

However, Classic is focusing on that medevial zelda feel under my wing, so burger refuge has to go. Eldandy's love shack is coming back. Besides, all good rpgs have a brothel involved quest.

[WanDaMan]

Originally Posted by Kristi

However, Classic is focusing on that medevial zelda feel under my wing, so burger refuge has to go. Eldandy's love shack is coming back. Besides, all good rpgs have a brothel involved quest.

Change the name please. It just wouldn't be the same...

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Kristi

Tyhm is listing things that are old concepts of classic, what I said is actually happening, since I am in charge of it. Tyhm is a smart man and a previous developer so i am more then happy when he throws out a good list as such

However, Classic is focusing on that medevial zelda feel under my wing, so burger refuge has to go. Eldandy's love shack is coming back. Besides, all good rpgs have a brothel involved quest.

Does this mean things like the Milk Carton body will be removed also? I like the promotion of consistency, but milk carton's running around? Seriously.

[Infernix]

Originally Posted by Kristi

However, Classic is focusing on that medevial zelda feel under my wing, so burger refuge has to go. Eldandy's love shack is coming back. Besides, all good rpgs have a brothel involved quest.

I can tell you right now that it doesn't have that feel. What are you guys doing to bring that zelda feel?

[Kristi]

Originally Posted by Infernix

I can tell you right now that it doesn't have that feel. What are you guys doing to bring that zelda feel?

Having quests that require you to beat them to get items and story to move to the next. =P standard zelda.

Tyhm, not only is it a fine name. It was what was there before Burger Refuge and a few others. I know you never cared for the anachronisms, but all the classic servers are doing it! I still think of Graal as Zeldaonline, and so I think Classic should emulate the Zelda roots. Most of that list that doesn't contain anachronisms will exist as part of the story. I am actually glad you mentioned Kull. He slipped my mind and fits in perfectly for a plot point.

[Tyhm]

Originally Posted by Kristi

Having quests that require you to beat them to get items and story to move to the next. =P standard zelda.

Tyhm, not only is it a fine name. It was what was there before Burger Refuge and a few others. I know you never cared for the anachronisms, but all the classic servers are doing it! I still think of Graal as Zeldaonline, and so I think Classic should emulate the Zelda roots. Most of that list that doesn't contain anachronisms will exist as part of the story. I am actually glad you mentioned Kull. He slipped my mind and fits in perfectly for a plot point.

The original quest, likewise, was 99% Baddies. I mean, literally, there were 5 versions of the main hall, all with different doors open and different baddies present. No flags, no strings, no keys, no door NPCs, all 1-way warps and baddies, with a tiny bit of programming for Kull himself - which I believe was literally "When hit, warp player to next stage of Kull. Once a second, shoot a rockball."

Which brings us to the standing issue of It'd be really nice if the Global Scripters scripted a Basic Baddy for General Use...

[Tyhm]

I feel we disagree on the definition of "Classic". I never cared for many of the anachronisms: burger refuge being one, ATM cards, motorcycles, etc. Some of it can be explained using the timeline that I only partially implemented, where Graal's about 800 years in the future, after we've all nuked ourselves back to the stone age and worked our way back up to swords and simple explosives...but refined gunpowder's proving elusive in this strange new world, making it hard to make anything smaller than a bomb "stable".

So what is Classic? A medeval server like Kingdoms? A staplegunned together server of competing guilds forever reeling from Pachuka's insistence that, having made half the world once, he won't allow his old levels re-uploaded? A world of broken quests to explore with no knowing what links will forever wall you or what quests will waste your time?

Eldandy's Love Shack is a fine name. B52's yo.

[Chandler]

Originally Posted by Tyhm

Eldandy's Love Shack is a fine name. B52's yo.

Rock lobster!

[Infernix]

Well Im guessing your going to have bosses that dont look like **** and thus that means your going to have some of the best graphic artist on graal.

[Tyhm]

Cool, lemme know if you need the ganis. (I think I've posted them already...but I may not have)

[Minoc]

Tyhm and Hell Raven working together..
Things have changed in the last few years.