Why are inactive playerworlds on classic list?

[Crono]

Originally Posted by D4rKv310c1ty

And I see the server to be pretty un-organised, anyway.

Ya dat sux :[

I also don't understand why a new gmap is made one after the other all the time. And the server was promised classic about a year ago. Still not listed, even though it's actually a Classic server? o.o

Because the current one was limiting, we basically just slapped the old one on a NEW one simply so we could have more water space for boats and ****. That and more towns, which couldn't be crammed in the now old one.

[Sage_Shadowbane]

James, I dont get why you are getting mad about being removed from the Classic list or being "hidden". I dont think anyone was trying to say the server was inactive as in no one was working on it at all. But it's the simple fact that you guys dont get any players and havn't been getting players for awhile now, so what is the purpose of you being in the Classic list if no one plays the server?

[hidro]

Originally Posted by Sage_Shadowbane

James, I dont get why you are getting mad about being removed from the Classic list or being "hidden". I dont think anyone was trying to say the server was inactive as in no one was working on it at all. But it's the simple fact that you guys dont get any players and havn't been getting players for awhile now, so what is the purpose of you being in the Classic list if no one plays the server?

**** you steal graphics

[Infernix]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Ya dat sux :[



Because the current one was limiting, we basically just slapped the old one on a NEW one simply so we could have more water space for boats and ****. That and more towns, which couldn't be crammed in the now old one.

Hey Crono, shush.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Infernix

Hey Crono, shush.

Go play around with your asus :'[

[zim5354]

Originally Posted by Gerami

So tell me, when was the last time SL had a stable playerbase above 5?

Keyword stable.

LAWL,when it was re-re-opend silly

Why isnt Zodiac on the list honestly its a Hosted server and its got more people then some classic servers.

[Loakey_P2P]

yes i was the only manager listed . hrr4 quit a few week's prior due to constent ip problem's and has as far as i know given up on graal . james was not listed as i removed him a few day's ago for inactivity . ive been trying to get ahold of him by mean's of the forum's , aim and e-mail , but never did get any word back . the other day it was brought to my attention he was on vacation . we are attempting to not only rebuild the server in level's , script's , images and gani's but finish it . but this will take time .

it was hoped to have the server 100% complete and then re-release it will minium staff needed to keep it operational . such as et's , pr's , a manager . but it's still to earlie to tell if we will succed , but dont misunderstand . we havent been sitting on rc tinkering with our personal toy's . we have been working and we have been making progress but no one will see it as it is all being kept on a locked down server and only the people working on it know what it is . and they wont tell anyone what they are doing .

much of the time word get's out that something big is in the work's every graalian comes running and asking as many staff to get what info they can , which slow's down development on the project . but for what ever reason we are keeping everything on a need to know basis . once we start getting most of it done we may release a big chunk of it and start releaseing date's as to when to expect the next big thing , or we may not . i personally would prefer to go with release date's but it would also be nice to just release all of it and try to put and keep sl on the top . but we all know player count fluxuates on certain day's and certain hour's but i gota get back to work since i got off work earlie .

[Mogwai]

Originally Posted by Sage_Shadowbane

James, I dont get why you are getting mad about being removed from the Classic list or being "hidden". I dont think anyone was trying to say the server was inactive as in no one was working on it at all. But it's the simple fact that you guys dont get any players and havn't been getting players for awhile now, so what is the purpose of you being in the Classic list if no one plays the server?

Did you even read why he is mad? He was not contacted and the playerworld was removed due to one simple thread in GCC. And yes look back to what people kept saying...

Originally Posted by Gerami

Current list of inactive servers according to me:



Shaded Legend-

This server has been in development for years and has always been on the bottom of the server list. It may be in development today but I'm sure that that's on a seperate dev server.

If you just read the main part of the topic as James states it was opinion based. Cronos even included "according to me" and in no way even knew further details towards the playerworlds. This is Crono's opinion... and why should a simple players opinion reflect on getting the playerworld removed.

Originally Posted by ApothiX

The reason was not 'because crono said so', it was because it was highly inactive. This thread just brought it to the attention of the PWA. If the manager of the server is just now noticing that it got removed, then that may be a reason why you were not contacted.

Your post was just claiming that SL was inactive. You even included "HIGHLY" to exaggerate your 'point'. Yet you don't play SL at all and don't know what is going on. As for bringing it to the attention of the PWA... what do they do all day? Sit around Graal and not notice the 0 playercount on a regular bases? It's been KNOWN FOR A WHILE by the PWA of the current situation of SL. As for Vulcan (previously guild admin if not still), he is the newest PWA therefor doesn't know all the information about SL. James is more concerned on how acts were taken in a unprofessional way and even stated here...

Originally Posted by James205

Why was I not contacted by a PWA about the removal from the classic list?

I heard NOTHING about this until now. I don't give a crap if someone posts a thread at GCC, if they have intentions to remove SL they need to contact me about it on why. I don't want "Because Crono's said so." because that is ridiculous.

I agree with a lot you guys said but now I am pissed because I was not contacted properly.

He says right there he agrees with a lot of what you guys said. But he is pissed on not being contacted properly and how the issue was taken care of.

Originally Posted by Gerami

So tell me, when was the last time SL had a stable playerbase above 5?

Keyword stable.

As James said, he understands why it was removed... but why now? Why not a month ago? 3 months ago? Why ironically when someone claims a server is inactive without further proof it was removed WITHIN A DAY. Why didn't the PWA take the approach to see what the playerworld was currently doing. What if SL was planning on releasing the new content in a few days? There are so many questions that WERENT asked and someone just took the initiative to just removing it to make a few people happy.

Originally Posted by ApothiX

You don't have to be a part of the community to hit f8 and see no one on the server.

Once again you are being irrelevant and just riding Crono's ass for points. F8 does not show what the current community is doing to SL. F8 just shows a simple number. F8 doesn't show why the playerworld has such a low playercount. You can claim it to be the players are not interested, but after having globals come on and screw with your NPC Server as a joke and resetting the whole economy script and getting away with it (2 globals did this) it's not just because players werent interested. You are simply a player who has eyes and just notices that number associated on the F8 menu, in no way does that have anything to do with what James was saying.

I think it's pretty obvious why the managers of SL would be frustrated with what just happened. I'm just curious if PWA will even talk to the managers about anything else related to this and answer James' questions if they have to resubmit and what exactly do they have to do different if they meet all requirements.

Before you reply actually read what people are saying rather than claiming 'THEY WERE HIGHLY INACTIVE!@#!@"

[draygin]

Originally Posted by Mogwai

Before you reply actually read what people are saying rather than claiming 'THEY WERE HIGHLY INACTIVE!@#!@"

You might want to do the same as the PWA has stated why James wasn't contacted and Loakey even said he had him removed at the time because he didn't know he was on vacation. I thought I read that Loakey was contacted but if not he really should have been before it was made private. Still better private than shut down as it's not like it can't come back and when it does maybe people will be like oh look shaded legends is back let's go see what cool new changes they've made. As opposed to seeing it online everday empty and not bothering to check to see if anything has changed.
I personally agree with SL being made private. However in doing this I think they should give some of the active servers such as Zodiac a shot at being on the classic list. Graal is a business and while I can understand people being attached to the server SL in it's current form isn't making Cyberjouers money. As for why not 3 months ago or longer that's a good question as this one has been a long time comming. Personally I don't think SL can recover with out some kind of massive over haul similar to how 2k1 can't recover with out some kind of massive over haul. I hope it does though as I always thought it had a pretty kick ass story line.
One thing about SL as a suggestion was it always had a kick ass story line but not much direction. I often times would find myself wondering what do I do now and where do I go? The story line would often times just seem to end abruptly. Maybe some kind of continuing direction so that players aren't left wondering where do I go now after completeling different stages of quests and what not.

[-Ching]

Aww hrr4 has given up on Graal? I'll miss that guy

[Lyndzey]

Originally Posted by draygin

You might want to do the same as the PWA has stated why James wasn't contacted and Loakey even said he had him removed at the time because he didn't know he was on vacation. I thought I read that Loakey was contacted but if not he really should have been before it was made private.

You're right. A PWA talked with Loakey because James was no longer listed as Manager, and they both came into agreement that it would be best if SL was placed on the invisible list while they worked on their new gmap.

This decision was not randomly made because of this thread. Loakey had been contacted and had reached an agreement with a PWA before SL was taken off of the list. Same thing happened with Bomy Lands.

Personally, I don't really care if a server stays or goes on the list. It's not really harming anybody to stay on, but it might be best for an inactive server to be taken off the list so that when re-released, it will come back stronger.

[Eagle]

Just wondering, who was contacted regarding Bomy Lands?

[Mogwai]

Originally Posted by Lyndzey

You're right. A PWA talked with Loakey because James was no longer listed as Manager, and they both came into agreement that it would be best if SL was placed on the invisible list while they worked on their new gmap.

This decision was not randomly made because of this thread. Loakey had been contacted and had reached an agreement with a PWA before SL was taken off of the list. Same thing happened with Bomy Lands.

Personally, I don't really care if a server stays or goes on the list. It's not really harming anybody to stay on, but it might be best for an inactive server to be taken off the list so that when re-released, it will come back stronger.

To say this decision was not made by this thread is kind of... well off. Ironically half of the mentioned playerworlds were contacted about this and removed within that day.

If Loakey would of said no to the agreement would it still be on the classic list?

WARNING OBVIOUS OPINION ANSWER BELOW

Answer: No

[draygin]

Originally Posted by Mogwai

If Loakey would of said no to the agreement would it still be on the classic list?

Answer: No

That's pure speculation and there is no way to know for certain unless Loakey said he had no choice or the PWA say that he didn't.
Just because you answer your own question with what you think the answer would have been doesn't make it true.

[Mogwai]

Originally Posted by draygin

That's pure speculation and there is no way to know for certain unless Loakey said he had no choice or the PWA say that he didn't.
Just because you answer your own question with what you think the answer would have been doesn't make it true.

Ok I have included an edit just since people really need that extra *opinion* based answer. I highly doubt SL would still be up if he did not agree. I mean Loakey and James are both complaining right now on the forum so obviously something has happened and people are missing a big huge issue.