Scam complaints accumulate - Page 4

protagonist · #46 06-08-2005, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Yes you did. Otherwise you would be agreeing that sexual harassment should be allowed.

omfg wil u shut up? if u cant c wut hez sayen, r33d it aggen. i had no prawblemz wit it.

juice188 · #47 06-08-2005, 04:42 AM

same, you gotta read stuff thoroughly

Butz · #48 06-08-2005, 05:51 AM

I see nothing wrong with making illegal an action that directly reduces the enjoyment of other people playing the game.
Gambet makes an argument for roleplaying a thief?
Thieves get caught. Thieves get punished. Just because you're a thief doesn't mean you'll get away with something.
Also, I find it rather hard to believe that someone would stand up for the right to scam, unless there's something that they personally gain from scamming being allowed. What's your story Gambet?

Gambet · #49 06-08-2005, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Butz

I see nothing wrong with making illegal an action that directly reduces the enjoyment of other people playing the game.
Gambet makes an argument for roleplaying a thief?
Thieves get caught. Thieves get punished. Just because you're a thief doesn't mean you'll get away with something.
Also, I find it rather hard to believe that someone would stand up for the right to scam, unless there's something that they personally gain from scamming being allowed. What's your story Gambet?

I don't play GK anymore, so I hope you're not trying to imply anything.

All I'm saying is, I want someone to give me valid reasoning as to why they feel scamming should be illegal. Give me your reasoning and support it, and then I will either agree or disagree and prove my points. Kai already spoke with me on AIM his reasoning, and I agree with that, but it's still not sufficient enough to make scamming illegal.

Kaimetsu · #50 06-08-2005, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

All I'm saying is, I want someone to give me valid reasoning as to why they feel scamming should be illegal

How are we supposed to do that when you haven't told us how you identify good or bad actions?

If the objective is to increase Graal's revenue then scamming should be illegal. I think you agreed with that. But I don't know how to address the issue from your perspective because you haven't told us what your criteria are.

Splke · #51 06-08-2005, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

I don't see them overuling him anywhere.

I didn't see them overrule Sam's obvious power abuse.. frankly I don't see them do much.

xAndrewx · #52 06-08-2005, 12:22 PM

I recommend a ban for a month for the scammers.
Once they're banned, they will go to the forums and
start 'dissing' the person who banned them. Leading
to a ban on the forums. People never learn.

Gambet · #53 06-08-2005, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

How are we supposed to do that when you haven't told us how you identify good or bad actions?

If the objective is to increase Graal's revenue then scamming should be illegal. I think you agreed with that. But I don't know how to address the issue from your perspective because you haven't told us what your criteria are.

Why havn't I listed my criteria? Well, just to let you know, I'm completely against scammers. I don't like them. But, I'm trying to look at this new rule from both sides, which is why I'm not trying to be persuasive towards making/leaving scamming to be legal. Personally, I would love something to be done about all of the scammers, but you have to look at things from both sides. Scammers are not doing anything that can not be avoided. I mean, yes, of course they piss people off and sometimes lead them to quitting, but scammers are doing that's really wrong.

Heck, if you drop an item on the floor and I went to pick it up and took it and didn't return it, well, you'd call me a scammer. But, if you're going to blame me for "scamming" you, then you should look at it from both sides, because if someones to blame then we both should be blamed. You were careless enough to drop your items, and I just so happened to pass by when you dropped your items and I picked them up. Tough luck.

Yes, I'm completely against scamming, but just because I'm against something doesn't mean I'd deem it illegal just because I don't like it. I try to look at things from both sides before making a decision.

Malinko · #54 06-08-2005, 04:11 PM

Whoa whoa whoa!

Scamming IS legal on Graal Kingdoms.

The only time when scamming is illegal is when items are obtained by bug/glitch, as in an abuse of this bug/glitch.

If you give your items to players to borrow or hold, then Graal Kingdoms is not held responsible for lost items.

Kaimetsu · #55 06-08-2005, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

Why havn't I listed my criteria?

Evidently because you prefer to hide behind ambiguity.

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I'm trying to look at this new rule from both sides[...]
Scammers are not doing anything that can not be avoided

Nor are sexual harassers. Nor are those that hijack accounts or delete playerworlds. Should we make these things legal too?

Gambet · #56 06-08-2005, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Nor are sexual harassers. Nor are those that hijack accounts or delete playerworlds. Should we make these things legal too?

THOSE THINGS ARE ILLEGAL ALREADY. I'VE SAID THIS MANY MANY TIMES. SCAMMING IS LEGAL THUS FAR, MEANING THAT YOU SHOULDN'T BE PUNISHED FOR SCAMMING. IF SCAMMING IS MADE ILLEGAL, THEN THAT MEANS YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SCAM OR YOU'D BE PUNISHED.

Kaimetsu · #57 06-08-2005, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Gambet

THOSE THINGS ARE ILLEGAL ALREADY

I'VE ALREADY EXPLAINED THIS TO YOU. WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DETERMINE WHETHER SCAMMING SHOULD BE LEGAL. IF YOU USE THE ASSERTION THAT IT IS LEGAL THEN YOU'RE EMPLOYING CIRCULAR LOGIC.

"SCAMMING SHOULD BE LEGAL BC ITS LEGAL LOLOLOLOLOLOL"

If scamming should be legal just because it's avoidable then SO SHOULD ALL THE THINGS I LISTED.

THINK

Sam · #58 06-09-2005, 12:04 AM

Hmm, maybe Stefan said to Gambet: "Make new rules!"

The rules we have are not valid anymore, because Gambet made new ones.
He is the know it all person. To prove that he uses capital letters...

Raziel · #59 06-09-2005, 12:16 AM

You can't scam and call it roleplay. I mean, how do you explain a scammer logging off in roleplay terms? How do you explain the fact that the person who got scammed cannot get the item back by cutting the scammer's throat in his sleep? In real life the thief would be caught, his hands cut off, and the items returned to their rightful owner. You can't say this is part of the roleplay of a character, because it just doesn't all work.

Gambet · #60 06-09-2005, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Raziel

You can't scam and call it roleplay. I mean, how do you explain a scammer logging off in roleplay terms? How do you explain the fact that the person who got scammed cannot get the item back by cutting the scammer's throat in his sleep? In real life the thief would be caught, his hands cut off, and the items returned to their rightful owner. You can't say this is part of the roleplay of a character, because it just doesn't all work.

Says who? It's a game, so maybe the thief could get away with it. Anything can happen in a game

Kai:

I say that a person could role play as being a scammer, so you say that the same could apply for sexual harassers. Yes, that's true, but since we are arguing over whether or not scamming should be legal, that means that scamming is not illegal thus far. Currently, scamming is legal, so a player COULD role play as a scammer. Now, if it were made illegal, then I guess you would not be able to.

I'm not using it as a point to make scamming legal, because scamming is already legal. This thread is to make it illegal.

Sam:

Honestly, what in the world did you say? I didn't understand a thing.