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[Zero Hour]

Originally Posted by Soul-Blade

It means I believe this forum has no one with real skill for the real world, myself included (at my current level).

Don't mean to toot my own horn, but I think my ability to sketch is quite fantastic. I'm not quite sure how "the real world" applies, or what exactley I must do to become worthy of "the real world" but I am sure that my ability to sketch is, as I said earlier, fantastic.

Now, since I tooted my horn I will also stated that I'm not capable of doing coloring as articulately as I am sketching, and than I am working on this. *Shrug* but I suppose you vicious animals will want some proof, and since my scanner is at my friends (Matthew) I won't be able to do so (especially since he's away for the weekend). So I suspect there will be a lot of disbelief.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by Soul-Blade

As far as those games you've listed, come on. I never heard of most of those, and the 2 I did hear of were terrible

Your ignorance is pretty much your own problem. As is your poor taste in games.

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Soul-Blade

You're so used to glory you've forgotten what it feels like when someone says anything otherwise.

Was this directed at me? Glory? Haha. I post on a couple other forums (Pixelerate, Eatpoo, Latent Medium) and I recieve far from glory. I'm used to harsh critisism. Man, you don't even know the kind of art I actually take seriously. I don't even understand how you can justify yourself as been better than somone at something without showcasing this so called talent. I'm the arrogant one? I don't trot around saying I'm better than anyone. I'll say who I like and who I don't, but certainly not that I'm better.

As well, you're right. Because a video game is 3D, automatically the fun factor in the game must be more so than one that is 2D. I'll tell you straight forward Mario Bro. 3 is a hell of alot more fun than most of the Playstation games I've played.

[Soul-Blade]

Reply to Kaimetsu:
The point, which you obviously missed, was illustrationg the lack of popularity those games listed contain. As far as games go I am pretty much an average joe (aside from SNES games). By me claiming I do not know of most of those games, I claim the majority of people do not, which proves the point the people like graphics on 3d games. That proves 3d games have better graphics by the popular eye, and the majority eye defines reality. I thought it was pretty straightforward, but maybe I need to explain everything in depth from now on.

Originally Posted by Scott

Was this directed at me? Glory? Haha. I post on a couple other forums (Pixelerate, Eatpoo, Latent Medium) and I recieve far from glory. I'm used to harsh critisism. Man, you don't even know the kind of art I actually take seriously. I don't even understand how you can justify yourself as been better than somone at something without showcasing this so called talent. I'm the arrogant one? I don't trot around saying I'm better than anyone. I'll say who I like and who I don't, but certainly not that I'm better.

As well, you're right. Because a video game is 3D, automatically the fun factor in the game must be more so than one that is 2D. I'll tell you straight forward Mario Bro. 3 is a hell of alot more fun than most of the Playstation games I've played.

Response to paragraph one: I'm not sure who you're talking to. Obviously not me, considering I've already covered what you just said twice now. So I will disregard that paragraph.


Response to paragraph two: Fun factor? Isn't this a graphics forum? I presume we are talking about graphics, not about quality of a game. I'm not refering to "fun factor", I'm refering to "graphics factor". To say super mario bros. 3 has better graphics than final fantasy 7 (a playstation game off the top of my head) is crazy and stupid for that matter.


Scott, I would just quit the arguement if I was you. I personally enjoy this kind of discussion because it sharpens the mind, but you seem to be getting stressed over it. My mind won't allow me to stop, so if you want to keep going I'm fine. Just try not to get so steamed.

[Splke]

Originally Posted by Soul-Blade

You don't see Graal with over a million players like say...oh...World of Warcraft and obviously there is a reason for that.

How about afew hundred million dollars and a hugantic corporate office, as well as nearly every possible marketting and advertising device used?

*****, Blizzard isn't better because their graphics are of a different form, they're better because they're ****ing huge.

Fyi, alot of people think the graphics on L2, WoW, etc are ****ty. Alot of people don't think that kind of "we're trying too hard, but coming up short" graphics is that great.

[Soul-Blade]

Originally Posted by Splke

How about afew hundred million dollars and a hugantic corporate office, as well as nearly every possible marketting and advertising device used?

*****, Blizzard isn't better because their graphics are of a different form, they're better because they're ****ing huge.

Fyi, alot of people think the graphics on L2, WoW, etc are ****ty. Alot of people don't think that kind of "we're trying too hard, but coming up short" graphics is that great.

Was this discussion about money? Was it about marketing? No. It was about graphics quality, and if you claim WoW does not have better graphics then what you see here, you are delusional. We're trying too hard, but coming up short? Wow, you're a genius . WoW is a masterpiece as far as visuals go, and you one or two people who don't agree likely couldn't afford to play the game . The hundreds of thousands of players of enjoy the game agree with this statement, and that is far more solid then you're individual opinion.

You sound as if you'd rather play a crap 3D game rather than a great 2D because "3D games have better graphics".

Anyway, someone correct me if i'm wrong, but most 3D games seem to use 3D shapes with the same graphics you get in 2D games slapped on each side.

With WoW scenary such as trees that is indeed the case. It is a modeling technique used to reduced the number of vertices. That is why most computers can handle WoW and still have nice graphics. Many other games use this as well when they are aiming for performance. Really only can be noticed in trees.

I'd also like you to name a great 2d game. Name a single one that has outdone any 3d game out right now. Name one who can not be defeated by a single 3d game. (graphically)

The fact is, I do enjoy 2d games with cartoony graphics. I enjoy 3d games with CG graphics more. I do enjoy 2d games with realistic graphics. I enjoy 3d games with realistic graphics more. Adding a new dimension increases the complexity of a game, and opens the door to far more possibilities. Once again, please note this "enjoyment" I describe is only refering to graphics. Gameplay is not the issue here.

I for one can say when playing games like farcry, the graphics were so nice I often found myself admiring the scenary. Can't say I've ever done that with any 2d games. How could anyone possibly argue with this? The answer is so painfully obvious, and yet you guys grasp your false arguement, clearly proven wrong.

[Crono]

Gat Warz!!!!1

[Benm00t]

Originally Posted by Soul-Blade

Reply to Kaimetsu:
The point, which you obviously missed, was illustrationg the lack of popularity those games listed contain. As far as games go I am pretty much an average joe (aside from SNES games). By me claiming I do not know of most of those games, I claim the majority of people do not, which proves the point the people like graphics on 3d games. That proves 3d games have better graphics by the popular eye, and the majority eye defines reality. I thought it was pretty straightforward, but maybe I need to explain everything in depth from now on.

You sound as if you'd rather play a crap 3D game rather than a great 2D because "3D games have better graphics".

Anyway, someone correct me if i'm wrong, but most 3D games seem to use 3D shapes with the same graphics you get in 2D games slapped on each side.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by Soul-Blade

The point, which you obviously missed, was illustrationg the lack of popularity those games listed contain

Pokémon isn't popular? Dude, what are you thinking?
So you've never heard of Disgaea, Phantom Brave or Phantom/Makai Kingdom? Your loss, dawg. They might not be so well-hyped over in America, but they're awesome games that've sold bundles in Japan alone. Enough for their creator to have made a whole series full of similar titles.

maybe I need to explain everything in depth from now on

No, you just need to accept the fact that maybe you don't know everything.

[Soul-Blade]

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Pokémon isn't popular? Dude, what are you thinking?
So you've never heard of Disgaea, Phantom Brave or Phantom/Makai Kingdom? Your loss, dawg. They might not be so well-hyped over in America, but they're awesome games that've sold bundles in Japan alone. Enough for their creator to have made a whole series full of similar titles.

Well, I went off track there on accident. Popularity is different in different places, and those things aren't big in the US. Anyway, this is a graphics forum...I'm dropping this aspect of the discussion.

Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

No, you just need to accept the fact that maybe you don't know everything.

Ha. Hahahha. Hahahahhahahaha. I can't believe you are trying to tell someone else that! You, who comments on everything as though you are a god, are telling me, who ONLY posts in the graphics and playerworld forums (for the most part), that I need to accept the fact I don't know everything! Wow, Kaimetsu. Wow. When it comes to graphics, I know far more then you do. Most people on this side of the forums do. When it comes to creating playerworlds, I know far more then you do. I argue things I know about. "Everything" includes things besides what I have been discussing in this thread, it is clearly untrue. I know what I know and I don't pretend to know what I don't.

This is a fun discussion.

[Zero Hour]

Ya' don't have to be beautiful to know what's ugly, just as example.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally Posted by Soul-Blade

Well, I went off track there on accident. Popularity is different in different places, and those things aren't big in the US

Pokémon isn't big in the US?

Anyway, what reason do we have to limit this to America?

Ha. Hahahha. Hahahahhahahaha. I can't believe you are trying to tell someone else that!

So this would be the legendary "NO BUT U R" comeback? I'd heard rumors, but until today I had never realised the full extent of its power!! Clearly it will make wars impossible.

Do you know what an ad hominem is? It's where somebody tackles a point by insulting the person that made it, rather than debating its merits. It's tremendously ineffective and, generally, only employed by those desperate for a quick counter.

When it comes to graphics, I know far more then you do

I don't think we're talking about graphics. We're talking about computer games.

When it comes to creating playerworlds, I know far more then you do

Except how to make good ones, maybe? What do you know that I don't?

[Enerith]

Off the current topic, I just needed to put this here because it looked too cool Glow bowling:

[Splke]

Originally Posted by Soul-Blade

Was this discussion about money? Was it about marketing? No. It was about graphics quality, and if you claim WoW does not have better graphics then what you see here, you are delusional. We're trying too hard, but coming up short? Wow, you're a genius . WoW is a masterpiece as far as visuals go, and you one or two people who don't agree likely couldn't afford to play the game . The hundreds of thousands of players of enjoy the game agree with this statement, and that is far more solid then you're individual opinion.

Trying to diminish my integrity by saying I couldn't afford 50$ and 19 or so a month? Wow, I bet you live in a 4000 square foot house with a 2005 BMW 7 series sitting outside your house, DON'T YOU?

Thanks for making my day, scrub.

[Nitkizi]

Guild Wars graphics > WoW graphics