Example of RC rights on a server - Page 4

ETD · #46 01-25-2004, 07:52 AM

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Originally posted by Blue_Dragn
Yes i understand security, but if its people you can trust, you definatly know, then security should not be an issue, plus IP Locked RCs

I agree with the rules, and don't think they are too restrictive...
I understand people's points that people should be allowed to run the server how they wish, and if it all gets deleted, then oh well, it's their loss... I mean, both sides have a good argument.

Anyways, having people upload things into a folder, then having high staff move it into the main folder allows for 2 things.
1. the high staff can review the work, before it goes online
2. the lower staff has no way of deleting things off the server, besides what is in their own folder.

I set things up on EoA like this months before these rules came out.... (for all new/lower staff)

Mykel · #47 01-25-2004, 07:53 AM

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Originally posted by sage_scooby

X.x.....

Whoever lets you rent a house can set any rules before hand. If they limit people allowed in at one time you can get evicted for not complying with the rules. (or in this case terms of agreement and such) You agree to their rules. And if they edit them you have to abide by it because of the little part that says rules subject to change without notice. (or something similar)

Renting is far more different than owning.

True, but you have rights too. You see, if they take too many things, they are called 'slum-lords.' Obviously graal is not near this, but inching closer.

sage_scooby · #48 01-25-2004, 07:56 AM

That is your opinion and it is in no way illegal.

Mykel · #49 01-25-2004, 07:56 AM

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Originally posted by ETD

I agree with the rules, and don't think they are too restrictive...
I understand people's points that people should be allowed to run the server how they wish, and if it all gets deleted, then oh well, it's their loss... I mean, both sides have a good argument.

Anyways, having people upload things into a folder, then having high staff move it into the main folder allows for 2 things.
1. the high staff can review the work, before it goes online
2. the lower staff has no way of deleting things off the server, besides what is in their own folder.

I set things up on EoA like this months before these rules came out.... (for all new/lower staff)

You see, I couldn't agree with you more. For your server, this system works fine. You have a select few that you trust with high RC's, and the rest get folders for safety. But as you posted, other people are different. What if they are IRL friends? What if...What if....there are so many, and you can not pretend to know ever situation, so making these rules for something we paid for is stupid.

This is like us buying our Gold accounts, and then going on GK, and they say: Sorry guys, starting now, you can no longer have over 1k. You would be like, WTF?

Milkdude99 · #50 01-25-2004, 07:56 AM

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Originally posted by Blue_Dragn

I dont know if its too much to ask, but in the meantime could you come up with points that prove your point? I understand you have a job to do, but an arugument with the reason "because i said" which is what the pwa are saying with the reason we need to follow the rules, is really not good at all.

Yes i understand security, but if its people you can trust, you definatly know, then security should not be an issue, plus IP Locked RCs

Ok how about 2 servers last week alone were deleted by "trusted" lv4 RCs, who loses here? Players and the renters alike. Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world and limits have to be set to "try" to safeguard the hard work being done on these servers. No matter what we do it won't suit everyone and compromises in the rules from the very begining were done and I don't rule out the possiblity of change again BUT as it is now these are the rules. Untill rock solid reasons to change them are provided and thus far there aren't any that haven't already been taken into consideration.

Mykel · #51 01-25-2004, 07:57 AM

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Originally posted by sage_scooby
That is your opinion and it is in no way illegal.

Correct. But isn't graal supposed to try to appeal to the customer? Hence why places that have 'slum-lords' are usually in lower class communities, and cost less to rent.

sage_scooby · #52 01-25-2004, 07:58 AM

Your "what ifs" are wants and opinions. The problem is this is how it is set up and it is not hard to follow. Graal has a responsiblity to everyone not just you.

Blue_Dragn · #53 01-25-2004, 07:59 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
Ok how about 2 servers last week alone were deleted by "trusted" lv4 RCs, who loses here? Players and the renters alike. Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world and limits have to be set to "try" to safeguard the hard work being done on these servers. No matter what we do it won't suit everyone and compromises in the rules from the very begining were done and I don't rule out the possiblity of change again BUT as it is now these are the rules untill rock solid reasons to change them are provided and thus far there aren't any that haven't already been taken into consideration.

This is much better then your prior arugument

I am refrencing "trusted" as you people you know for certain, not people you just talk to at random times. If people wanted their work safeguarded it should be common knowledge to take steps to preserve it.

Mykel · #54 01-25-2004, 07:59 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
Ok how about 2 servers last week alone were deleted by "trusted" lv4 RCs, who loses here? Players and the renters alike. Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world and limits have to be set to "try" to safeguard the hard work being done on these servers. No matter what we do it won't suit everyone and compromises in the rules from the very begining were done and I don't rule out the possiblity of change again BUT as it is now these are the rules untill rock solid reasons to change them are provided and thus far there aren't any that haven't already been taken into consideration.

Then the people who did this were *****s. They gave a high level RC to the wrong people, and, on top of it, didn't have a backup. You can obviously see exceptions to these rules.

Mykel · #55 01-25-2004, 08:00 AM

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Originally posted by sage_scooby
Your "what ifs" are wants and opinions. The problem is this is how it is set up and it is not hard to follow. Graal has a responsiblity to everyone not just you.

Are you listening to the others in this post as well? And I am not even argueing for me. I bought a server, it went nowhere, just sitting there making graal money right now. The 'what ifs' are to show the exceptions. And I am talking about Graal's responsibility to everyone.

sage_scooby · #56 01-25-2004, 08:01 AM

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Originally posted by Mykel
Then the people who did this were *****s. They gave a high level RC to the wrong people, and, on top of it, didn't have a backup. You can obviously see exceptions to these rules.

So people who are not as "bright" as you should be punished? That doesnt sound like it is looking good to that consumer. People want to know stuff is safe also.

ETD · #57 01-25-2004, 08:01 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
Ok how about 2 servers last week alone were deleted by "trusted" lv4 RCs, who loses here?

How do these rules prevent someone with level 4 RC from deleting everything on the server?

Blue_Dragn · #58 01-25-2004, 08:02 AM

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Originally posted by sage_scooby

So people who are not as "bright" as you should be punished? That doesnt sound like it is looking good to that consumer. People want to know stuff is safe also.

Then why dont they take the measures to protect their material themselves? This is the same situation, why punish the entire customer base for some peoples poor decisions

Mykel · #59 01-25-2004, 08:03 AM

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Originally posted by sage_scooby

So people who are not as "bright" as you should be punished? That doesnt sound like it is looking good to that consumer. People want to know stuff is safe also.

It is ignorant to not have a backup of your server at all times, no? Even if you are the only one who can 'delete' it. And how are they being punished, and when did I say I was 'brighter' than them? They just made a *****ic decision.

sage_scooby · #60 01-25-2004, 08:04 AM

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Originally posted by Mykel
Are you listening to the others in this post as well? And I am not even argueing for me. I bought a server, it went nowhere, just sitting there making graal money right now. The 'what ifs' are to show the exceptions. And I am talking about Graal's responsibility to everyone.

Everyone does not think and act the way you do. I dissagree with you. So obviously you are not taking about graals responsibility to me.