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[LordZen]

Bah. Well of course if you guys want to get so technical then everything is considered a graphic that exists because HEY anything that is visible must be a graphic! So sure then script is a graphic in that you can see it...

But thats such a stupid argument.

The point about script is that it provides information that is interputed by the computer which executes actions..and tells graphics to be displayed or change or whatever if needed.

A txt only script game can survive and work on its own without graphics, but the same is not true the other way around.

[Scott]

Originally posted by LordZen
Bah. Well of course if you guys want to get so technical then everything is considered a graphic that exists because HEY anything that is visible must be a graphic! So sure then script is a graphic in that you can see it...

But thats such a stupid argument.

The point about script is that it provides information that is interputed by the computer which executes actions..and tells graphics to be displayed or change or whatever if needed.

A txt only script game can survive and work on its own without graphics, but the same is not true the other way around.

It's valid, and I got technical because I'm sick of this argument. It has been brought up many times, and I have discussed it many times. The argument isn't stupid, it's the people who think scripting is the magical twilight that creates a game.

Lets put it this way, Zen, would rather play a MUD, or play a game with actual decent graphics? I'm sure 99.9% of gamers would say graphics. It may just be the eye-candy, but programmers would be out of jobs if people didn't make graphics now'a days. Whilst the artists could go into pencil and paper drawing.

The deal is, the two infact do rely on eachother. Board games require no coding, except perahaps the machines that make them. Those machines need programming, no? I'm surprised you, being the Global Graphics Admin cannot realize this, and close the argument stating that programming and graphics are equal in value.

Graphics and programming rely on eachother. Without the other, one will not function. Period.

[alarid0]

Originally posted by LordZen
Bah. Well of course if you guys want to get so technical then everything is considered a graphic that exists because HEY anything that is visible must be a graphic!

i was just about to say the exact same thing...GOD you people are annoying!!!

Originally posted by Scott

It's valid, and I got technical because I'm sick of this argument.

Good thinking!! So lets make MORE arguments!!!!!

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Deek2
They can be. You just aren't thinking the same thing I'm thinking about it. Graphics have just as much potential to be as powerful as programming, that is, if you are skillfull enough to use it.

Not really. All but the most shallow people play MMORPGs for the gameplay, not the quality of the graphics. Again and again I say: Graphics are of secondary importance to the majority of people. They might grab some attention at first, but they don't do anything to sustain long-term interest.

And why not? They sure do define the game. What difference the graphics are is what makes the user interpret what type of game it is. If it's side-scrolling graphics, then the user can assume the game is going to be side scrolling. Programming just merely adds to gameplay

What the hell.

1) Have you even been reading the thread? We're talking about the differences in graphical quality, not style. And specifically in relation to Graal. If Playerworld X had beautiful graphics but terrible scripts, whereas Playerworld Y had default graphics and superb design, which would be more popular?
2) Putting 'side-scrolling graphics' into a folder is not the same as making a side-scrolling game. The programming defines every single part of game's behaviour. How the user interacts with it, how it reacts to his actions, etc. The graphics are just a visual representation of the underlying game.

No, it would be a totally different game visually. Gameplay could also be affected, depending on how the visualization affects the player.

Sure, perhaps even by a whole 1%.

I know, but it's still visual, and it's still represented via graphics, wether or not it spawned from a mathematical equation.

Again, missing the entire point of the debate. This is why I shouldn't argue with artists.

Originally posted by Scott
Graphics and programming rely on eachother. Without the other, one will not function. Period.

Nice work. Now try again without missing the entire focus of the argument.

Originally posted by Scott
Or maybe the "Global Admin" who is also moderator of this forum could do his job?

Unfortunately your weariness is not justification to close a thread. You don't matter as much as you think you do.

[Scott]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu




Unfortunately your weariness is not justification to close a thread. You don't matter as much as you think you do.

Dont remember stating that I was "important", please find the statment in which I did.

[davidpsy]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Not really. All but the most shallow people play MMORPGs for the gameplay, not the quality of the graphics. Again and again I say: What the hell.
1) Have you even been reading the thread? We're talking about the differences in graphical quality, not style. And specifically in relation to Graal. If Playerworld X had beautiful graphics but terrible scripts, whereas Playerworld Y had default graphics and superb design, which would be more popular?
2) Putting 'side-scrolling graphics' into a folder is not the same as making a side-scrolling game. The programming defines every single part of game's behaviour. How the user interacts with it, how it reacts to his actions, etc. The graphics are just a visual representation of the underlying game.
Sure, perhaps even by a whole 1%.
Again, missing the entire point of the debate. This is why I shouldn't argue with artists.
Nice work. Now try again without missing the entire focus of the argument.
Unfortunately your weariness is not justification to close a thread. You don't matter as much as you think you do.

Playerworld x has great graphic but no scripts while playerworld y had graphic and great scripts. But playerworld Z great scripts but very very bad graphic.

See Kaimetsu they would rather play playerworld y because it has graphic maybe not the best but it has them and it has great scripts that use them. Scripts might define the playerworld "and things" but with good graphic its not as fun. So I would have to say that scripts nor graphic are better then each other. Both of them combinded are great cant you see that? Both need to be done well you cant say 1 is more important then the other.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by davidpsy
See Kaimetsu they would rather play playerworld y because it has graphic maybe not the best but it has them

Okay, I'm not going to talk to you if you're incapable of understanding something so simple.

Originally posted by Scott

Dont remember stating that I was "important", please find the statment in which I did.

T'was in the implication that the thread should be closed/deleted simply because you were tired of it.

[davidpsy]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Okay, I'm not going to talk to you if you're incapable of understanding something so simple.

I know you were trying to say that people would rather play a server with regular graphic and good scripts then a server with good graphic and no scripts. That is because the scripts are what make the game fun. But still a server with better graphic and good scripts would have more players then the other one. If there was a server with like a 6 color tileset and great scripts people would want better graphic. You need to have a balance of good scripts and graphic. Sure playerworls with good scripts but are lacking graphic may get a good player bace but graphic do make it better.

Btw Kaimetsu whats going on? First you block me on aim. I asked you why you said you dident want to talk to me. Then your basically calling me an idiot on the forums. Wtf did I do to you man?!?!

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by davidpsy
I know you were trying to say that people would rather play a server with regular graphic and good scripts then a server with good graphic and no scripts.

I was trying to say exactly what I did say: That scripts have a great impact on the popularity of a server than graphics (assuming the graphics are at least as good as the default tileset etc).

Sure, if there were a playerworld with great graphics and great scripts and great everything then it'd be the most popular. So? That isn't relevant to the debate.

Btw Kaimetsu whats going on? First you block me on aim. I asked you why you said you dident want to talk to me. Then your basically calling me an idiot on the forums. Wtf did I do to you man?!?!

I simply ran out of tolerance.

[davidpsy]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


I was trying to say exactly what I did say: That scripts have a great impact on the popularity of a server than graphics (assuming the graphics are at least as good as the default tileset etc).

Sure, if there were a playerworld with great graphics and great scripts and great everything then it'd be the most popular. So? That isn't relevant to the debate.



I simply ran out of tolerance.

Yes scripts do have a greater impact on the popularity of a server that is true and I do agree. But just because it does doesnt mean graphic's are not just as important. Without good graphic it can make the npc script not as good.

K then I have also ran out of silly ness and insain ness for the moment on the forums you should read my new thread in the graal main forums its going to be getting interesting . Btw I know you dont want to play Battle field any more so I wont ask you to like I dont ask karsh.

[XJOKERX]

Originally posted by deman1171
I like it, you should talk to Amy if you wish to use them for Andor, it would be nice and unique to graal, what style do you call that?

Oh, and i always realised that, i mean i like some of graal kingdoms graphics, but i don't play anymore, due to lack of gameplay.

oops meant to quote the your getting on my nerves </mistake>

YOUR GETTING ON EVERYBODYS NERVES

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Deek2
I'm not talking about MMORPGS

Then go away, you're in the wrong discussion.

We're talking about graphics compared to programming.

No, you're talking about graphics compared to programming. Because, as I've already covered, you completely failed to understand the focus of the debate.

No, I sure haven't.

It shows.

Both, because there's going to be the same amount of people going for graphics as there is people going for design.

Yuh-huh. Except that the most popular MMORPG at the moment has horribly outdated graphics, and that doesn't seem to bother many of its 400,000 users. Compare that number to the population of the prettiest MMORPG. People don't just want to look at pretty pictures, they want engaging gameplay as well. That only comes through good programming.

If a graphics maker made poofy pre-school fun time graphics to a first person shooter compareable like, Quake or CS, then I'm sure that would change the attitude of the person who's playing the game compared to dark, gory graphics.

Again, wandering off-topic. We're not talking about first-person shooters, we're talking about Graal playerworlds.

You're the one that's not reading my posts, and instead ignoring what I'm saying

Not ignoring, merely dismissing. And only because you seem fundamentally incapable of recognising and staying on the topic.

That's why you shouldn't debate with programmers: Can only think for themselves.

Whereas artists evidently can't think at all.

[Dude6252000]

Originally posted by davidpsy
K then I have also ran out of silly ness and insain ness for the moment on the forums you should read my new thread in the graal main forums its going to be getting interesting . Btw I know you dont want to play Battle field any more so I wont ask you to like I dont ask karsh.

.. Would you really stop changing how you act every day to try to get friends back?

[DustyPorViva]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Whereas artists evidently can't think at all.

I'm an artist, I don't think games need graphics.
Without programming how do you even apply the graphics?

They sure don't just make themselves show up in the game.

[davidpsy]

Originally posted by Dude6252000

.. Would you really stop changing how you act every day to try to get friends back?

Hmm maybe your right its not really worth it. You cant really please everyone yeah I should stop this lol.