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Old 08-21-2003, 02:12 AM
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I don't think Torankusu would ever intentionally try to sexually harass anyone. I mean, he was FAQ Chief on 2k1 for 2+ years..It's like Lyndzey deleting accounts for no reason, it's unimaginable. Brad and Torankusu told me what happened. Yes Wren and Zoe are my friends, so is Tec and everyone else. I am friends with everyone, and I try to keep it that way..but what you did was wrong. Brad didn't mean to kill Zoe with lightning and she called that harassment, even though forked lightning goes EVERYWHERE and he was far away from her.
Right. He was FAQ Chief once, does that mean he is immune of breaking rules in the future? Look at Nemesis. He was classic servers GM for a rather long time, yet he still was able to do such horrendous acts.

And, any claims of harrassment are related to chat text - Not to PKing.

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Like I mentioned above, everyone is my friend. I try to be as unbiased as I can, and on this case, I believe Wren slightly over-reacted..
Sure, and your posts about me have been really unbiased.

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Would you care to show these things that Torankusu said? He showed me the log, he told Padren to stop but he continued dishing out vile comments..
All logs he pasted to me, and all logs on the website he linked me to. They're available for your viewing too. I'm starting to wonder if he didn't alter them after I looked at them, just to make it more fun for his friends to read.

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Where is the evidence? Dustari members? I think not. Just because you lead Dustari, doesn't give you the right to believe EVERYTHING they say. They may exaggerate, they may not know all the facts even. I try to gather up all the facts before I make opinions, which is what I did, that's why it took me so long to finally post about this incident
They may exaggerate? Understatement of the year. You should have seen some of the lies they have tried to spread. When ghost pirate was banned, Toran started telling people I banned Ghost, in order to gain support for his cause.

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-Dealing with problems that require attention
-Talking to Stefan about important issues
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Old 08-21-2003, 02:17 AM
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Would you care to show these things that Torankusu said? He showed me the log, he told Padren to stop but he continued dishing out vile comments..
ROFL

I told him, leave us alone, don't follow us around, and we'd have no problems. It's like, if someone came up and started hitting me, and I hit them back, then they tell me to 'stop' while still hitting me.

Come on, how stupid is that???
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Old 08-21-2003, 02:24 AM
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What am I doing?

-Dealing with problems that require attention
-Talking to Stefan about important issues
-Preparing/managing events I'm holding
-Speaking with Jagen about important issues
-Answering questions
-Doing whatever I can to help make that server a bit more playable.
I know what your not doing... That is helping me.
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Old 08-21-2003, 02:28 AM
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Old 08-21-2003, 02:29 AM
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I told him, leave us alone, don't follow us around, and we'd have no problems. It's like, if someone came up and started hitting me, and I hit them back, then they tell me to 'stop' while still hitting me.

Come on, how stupid is that???
come on, i was at gov's altar before you/wren/zoe, and you tell me to quit "following" you around?
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Old 08-21-2003, 02:31 AM
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I know what your not doing... That is helping me.
First, I have not the ability to help you. I have no mudaccounts rights.

Second, if you let someone use your items, then they get banned, it's not the staff's responsibility.
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Old 08-21-2003, 02:32 AM
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Someone changed the password for Brad and gave him the account. I never let him use the account.
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Old 08-21-2003, 02:34 AM
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harrassment are related to chat text - Not to PKing.
And me being the harasser never got to view any of these "chat texts" Nor did any of the other admins that asked for them..

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Sure, and your posts about me have been really unbiased.
Actually, a lot of people seem to agree with DX.
Why do they agree with him? Well...proof is in the pudding.

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When ghost pirate was banned, Toran started telling people I banned Ghost, in order to gain support for his cause.
uh...actually, Geno asked me why Brad was banned, not Ghost. And geno got mixed up. You can find it in the "Goodbye From Ghost" thread angel posted in the "hello and goodbye" forum.
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Old 08-21-2003, 02:44 AM
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Ok this is everything I have gathered up during the incident with Torankusu.

Tseng, you became GST and you never had the right to get on GK. One day, Stefan was on and you got on and starting the process (you know, the s process) and thats where it all began. Also just to let anyone know, I never sucked up to get Debug, unixmad asked me to be staff and so I said sure (if you think I am lying, ask him yourself).

If you didn't have global RC (why are you GST anyway? Wouldn't you think working on both 2k1 and GK too much? -_-) you would of never had the chance to get on GK RC and talk to Stefan. I think I can safely say, 89.9% of the people that have Debug suck up to Stefan. I won't even begin to mention the people that are GST that sucked up before...Everyday I would get on and people would be telling him nice things and crap just so they could get items..(example: Darklux and Geovanie Legend). There are probably others but they must of kept it a secret and not revealed it to anyone..

The thing with Torankusu. It all started because he wanted to trade 2 RoW for their BR. Wren had agreed to it but then she gave it to Zoe (do they have 2 all together or something? If so how..Only 2 were ever released...either there is a very, VERY corrupt staff or a bug that lets you make any item...which I already talked to Jagen about). Torankusu has always been a cool-headed guy. When I was new, yes I admit he was a jackass to me (cause I was stupid back then) but I got to know him, and Brad (who was also a )(@#&% to me back then..lol) and we got along pretty well. I am pretty sure if Torankusu were like Nemesis, he would show some sort of sign that indicates his vulgar behavior. I do admit, sometimes if I get mad I tend to swear (Don't we all? Well with the exception of Kaimetsu..but I think he is a robot or something and he is programmed to not swear, anyway).

Let's try this scenario for a second though. If I made a totally new account, went on GK and was a girl. I joined Dustari and then complained that <guy's name here> sexually harassed me and had my close friends/family back me up, would they be banned (the person accused of sexual harassment)? Most likely, because the supposed victim is in Dustari. If they were in, lets say Zormite or Samurai, you wouldn't really do much except probably say "That's life" or something stupid.

I have learned a lot of sh!t since I have been on Graal. Mostly from Alkaren, he taught me well. I remember when I was powerhungry, I wanted every job on the game..I changed though, for the better. Though people on GK are changing rapidly, for the worst.
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Old 08-21-2003, 02:49 AM
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oh ****, that reminds me.
Wren/Zoe have/had the third blood ring, which is like 20x better than a bone crusher. Kind of ironic that nobody complains about them..
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Old 08-21-2003, 03:07 AM
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Ok this is everything I have gathered up during the incident with Torankusu.

Tseng, you became GST and you never had the right to get on GK. One day, Stefan was on and you got on and starting the process (you know, the s process) and thats where it all began. Also just to let anyone know, I never sucked up to get Debug, unixmad asked me to be staff and so I said sure (if you think I am lying, ask him yourself).
Uh, I was first king of Dustari in 2k2, that's how I got debug access. I also was an events team member. Eventually, I asked if I could be a scripter for 2k2, and was hired. Eventually, the GST was formed, and since I was a scripter on Debug who presumablyhad a good sense of scripting, i was hired for that, and got global RC. Later, Events were becoming hectic, with people disrupting them every chance they got, and I asked for an events item NPC to warp players away. Stefan was very busy, and did not have time to make that NPC right away, and after many delays I asked once if I couldn't just have the warp players right to deal with them, at least for that time. He said yes, and that's why i have rights on Kingdoms. Then, later, before he went on his vacation, he foresaw trouble (numerous people - who weren't me, GASP!) had complained about Torankusu, so he entrusted James and I with ban/disconnect rights.

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Because I can script. But I suppose the name "Global Scripting Team" wouldn't have made that obvious. If you would like to see samples of my scripting, I will be happy to show you some. I haven't made fancy things like Kaimetsu, but I consider myself a relatively decent scripter.

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Wouldn't you think working on both 2k1 and GK too much? -_-) you would of never had the chance to get on GK RC and talk to Stefan.
I have a lot of free time - I spend my whole day on the computer. I have capability and ability to do both. And, remember, when I started with GK, I had quit 2k1 - things there were unfixable from my position, and it was not until Jeff resigned that I came back (reluctantly, you can ask the g2k1 staff how many times they asked me and I said no X.x).

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I think I can safely say, 89.9% of the people that have Debug suck up to Stefan. I won't even begin to mention the people that are GST that sucked up before...Everyday I would get on and people would be telling him nice things and crap just so they could get items..(example: Darklux and Geovanie Legend). There are probably others but they must of kept it a secret and not revealed it to anyone..
I whole-heartedly agree. People suck up to Stefan a lot. I do not. I do not make false compliments, I do not bug him for things, asking again only when a significant amount of time has elapsed such that he said he would do something and had forgotten.

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The thing with Torankusu. It all started because he wanted to trade 2 RoW for their BR. Wren had agreed to it but then she gave it to Zoe (do they have 2 all together or something? If so how..Only 2 were ever released...either there is a very, VERY corrupt staff or a bug that lets you make any item...which I already talked to Jagen about). Torankusu has always been a cool-headed guy. When I was new, yes I admit he was a jackass to me (cause I was stupid back then) but I got to know him, and Brad (who was also a )(@#&% to me back then..lol) and we got along pretty well. I am pretty sure if Torankusu were like Nemesis, he would show some sort of sign that indicates his vulgar behavior. I do admit, sometimes if I get mad I tend to swear (Don't we all? Well with the exception of Kaimetsu..but I think he is a robot or something and he is programmed to not swear, anyway).
There are three blood rings in existence, the third came to exist when brad's account was restored after his blood ring already going out into the market. I believe the restore-distribute thing happened more than once, as Toran had said that the duplicate was deleted.

As for his language/signs, I think his name and the masses I witnessed firsthand were rather indicative of that kind of behavior. That is called a 'basis', and I kept that in mind when I first banned Torankusu.

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Let's try this scenario for a second though. If I made a totally new account, went on GK and was a girl. I joined Dustari and then complained that <guy's name here> sexually harassed me and had my close friends/family back me up, would they be banned (the person accused of sexual harassment)? Most likely, because the supposed victim is in Dustari. If they were in, lets say Zormite or Samurai, you wouldn't really do much except probably say "That's life" or something stupid.
Bull****, sexual harrassment is bad regardless. How many times have I told, Tifa for example, since she had complained of sexual harrassment, that she should report it to me, and I would warn the person? Tifa isn't in Dustari. You base this on the fact that ONE OF TWO cases of sexual harrassment I've dealt with was in Dustari. One case involving dustari is not sufficient basis to say that in all cases I would lean towards Dustari. The other case was Brad, which I have already explained why he was banned, and it was not becuase it was reported to me, but that I witnessed it firsthand. So before you stupidly assume that I'm biased becuase of one incident, why not use your brain and examine it from the bigger picture?

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I have learned a lot of sh!t since I have been on Graal. Mostly from Alkaren, he taught me well. I remember when I was powerhungry, I wanted every job on the game..I changed though, for the better. Though people on GK are changing rapidly, for the worst.
Uh-huh...Again, this 'incident' is enough basis for you to make such a generalization: False.
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Old 08-21-2003, 03:09 AM
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oh ****, that reminds me.
Wren/Zoe have/had the third blood ring, which is like 20x better than a bone crusher. Kind of ironic that nobody complains about them..
Reminds you, when you have been PMing me about it for some time? Stop the facade, man. I'm not buying it, and neither are the other people who matter.
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Reminds you, when you have been PMing me about it for some time? Stop the facade, man. I'm not buying it, and neither are the other people who matter.
I need to talk to you about signas and would like it if you responded to my forum PM and my ingame question.
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Old 08-21-2003, 03:25 AM
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Reminds you, when you have been PMing me about it for some time? Stop the facade, man. I'm not buying it, and neither are the other people who matter.
Yeah I am not a person who matters. I guess I should quit, nobody cares about me anymore cause I am not some big time GST and have debug and am a Manager on a server.
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come on, i was at gov's altar before you/wren/zoe, and you tell me to quit "following" you around?
I watched you come up and sit down, then start insulting us.

First you said you wanted Wren to bless your dagger (like that was going to happen), then it was the 'this is the only place where I can hunt lords in the world so I need to be here' BS


Lying is bad for your brain Toran, you end up believing them yourself and then you get a really really distorted idea of the world.
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I watched you come up and sit down, then start insulting us.

First you said you wanted Wren to bless your dagger (like that was going to happen), then it was the 'this is the only place where I can hunt lords in the world so I need to be here' BS


Lying is bad for your brain Toran, you end up believing them yourself and then you get a really really distorted idea of the world.
I never explained my being there to you or anyone, and yes, Wren agreed to bless for me for free. Check yo'self gangsta.

I'm still confused as to how you "Watched me come and sit down" when you logged on by Govannon's altar when I had been sitting there for a good 15 minutes or so.
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you are wrong, I was there - you came to us and sat down

did you leave for a while perhaps?

and no, I mentioned to Wren that you had said you wanted your dagger blessed, and she couldn't believe you were actually serious.

You used the blessing excuse and then the lord excuse.

Why can't you admit that what you did was wrong??
Give it a break, you act like you think you are some sort of saint or something, maybe if you took responsibility for once, you wouldn't always be on peoples' bad side.
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Yeah I am not a person who matters. I guess I should quit, nobody cares about me anymore cause I am not some big time GST and have debug and am a Manager on a server.
I was referring to his facade of ignorance.

You matter - I respect your opinion a lot. Or I did, until you came out of left field bashing me without even talking to me. Yet you said you "went looking at the facts"? I guess the facts don't involve me at all, yo.
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you are wrong, I was there - you came to us and sat down

did you leave for a while perhaps?

and no, I mentioned to Wren that you had said you wanted your dagger blessed, and she couldn't believe you were actually serious.

You used the blessing excuse and then the lord excuse.

Why can't you admit that what you did was wrong??
Give it a break, you act like you think you are some sort of saint or something, maybe if you took responsibility for once, you wouldn't always be on peoples' bad side.
heh, you sound like a complete hypocrite. Here is tec, following me around everywhere every day PKing me, even in my own maps, and here is Toran, who comes to Gov's altar to sit and kill lords and wait for him to get a dagger blessed and bam omg "BAN TORAN LOL IM SERIOUS!!!!!"
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<hehe, entirely deleted cuz Tseng jus royaly whooped my butt, and i actually decided to ask meh lawyer...>
<gawd, tseng royaly whooped meh ass>
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<why am I doing this?>
<cuz im bored quite frankly>
<and Tseng, I told you too shut up, not leave>
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hahaha.

THis is truely funny..

It turned out how james was stupid enough to give brad/torankusu the bonecrusher, and giving geno those items.

To "Lets pick on tseng cuz he is the only one that can do something"

and geno im not talking about that hammer. lol.

the first warhammer of might dragon x somehow won, by getting a pheonix down before he got the hammer ( an extra chest opening) and answered correctly on a baseball question, and he has said before HE HATED BASEBALL.
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hahaha.

THis is truely funny..

It turned out how james was stupid enough to give brad/torankusu the bonecrusher, and giving geno those items.

To "Lets pick on tseng cuz he is the only one that can do something"

and geno im not talking about that hammer. lol.

the first warhammer of might dragon x somehow won, by getting a pheonix down before he got the hammer ( an extra chest opening) and answered correctly on a baseball question, and he has said before HE HATED BASEBALL.
Yeah I hate baseball, and? It doesn't say anywhere you can't use outside resources to get your answers (aka the INTERNET, WORLD WIDE WEB).
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the first warhammer of might dragon x somehow won, by getting a pheonix down before he got the hammer ( an extra chest opening) and answered correctly on a baseball question, and he has said before HE HATED BASEBALL.
not true.

DX won a warhammer after like 3 was given out.


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Yeah I hate baseball, and? It doesn't say anywhere you can't use outside resources to get your answers (aka the INTERNET, WORLD WIDE WEB).
and how can you find the damn answer in less then 4 seconds???

after james massed the question he said you answered it like in 5 seconds. BFS

there wre like 10 people playing

I don't get how you can have enough time to try to find it..
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and how can you find the damn answer in less then 4 seconds???

after james massed the question he said you answered it like in 5 seconds. BFS

there wre like 10 people playing

I don't get how you can have enough time to try to find it..
It's called being a VERY fast typer and having a search page open at the same time and the answer would be right under the web page name, I don't have to go in the web page to find it.
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Oy... As I said... Tseng, care to push your "autobantoranbuttoneventhoughhedidntdo****"
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What happened to "You're not involved in my thread, get out of it" that you kept pushing at me? Can't follow your own stupid advice? I'm tired of hypocrites trying to tell me how to do my job. I made a judgement call, it was mine to make.

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Erm... Through Law he was not wrong. What he did is not considered sexual harrassment blah blah blah... If you want to find the exact definition of Sexual Harrassment, and even put this situation into play, ask any law firm, or law website direct e-mail... I for one dont feel like giving out my Laywers e-mail so he can be spammed by you all...
I highly doubt you have your own lawyer. And, even if you did, how is that relevant to graal? What, are you going to sue graal for being banned? Sorry, but the license agreement forbids it.

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Sexual Harrassment - Any unwelcome or unwanted SEXUAL advancment...

Now of course, Tseng is going to pull his b/s from Code of Conduct, but...

Sex-ual : of , characteristic of, or involving sex, the sexes, the organs of sex and their functions, or the instinct, drives, behavior, etc, associated with sex.

Advancement: an advancing or being advanced

Now, I hope the alteration isnt hard to understand...

A Sexual Advancement, leading term in definition of Sexual Harrassment, would be considered a advance, ((i can define that too)) upon ones sexual organs, or a sex invintation that is refused...
First off, sexual harrassment can be more than an advance. Additonally, an advance can be defined several ways. Your definition is very limited.

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Tell me. Did Toran do that? Otherwise... I think some powers have been abused here, on a quick judgement call, over a collection of facts... Perhaps, it was a Dustari issue, however, I doubt very highly that the HORDE of people surronding Gov alter at that time, were all there because Toran and Brad were sexually harrassing her with Luec's Alter and Forked Lightning... >.>
Learn the difference between harrassment and sexual harrassment. You don't seem to be able to distinguish between the two, though you posted a definition of one. Torankusu was banned first for sexual harrassment after a warning. After he was unbanned there was a deal made whereby he could prove that he meant well by completely avoiding them, avoiding pking them, avoiding even going in the same area as them. I thought it'd be a nice way for him to prove himself, since I still had faith in him at that time, so I gave him a second chance. However, he violated that agreement by PKing and otherwise harrassing them after that. He was later banned again, unbanned, then banned as well as globally banned. He was unbanned by Lyndzey, and is on his absolute final chance that any admin will give him.

If you had been paying attention to the thread, Argosax, you would have known this. But again, you fail to follow your own stupid advice, so i wonder why I even bother explaining this to you.

Edit: I made a typo. Surprised nobody threw it in my face.
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Old 08-21-2003, 05:51 AM
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Old 08-21-2003, 06:23 AM
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It's called being a VERY fast typer and having a search page open at the same time and the answer would be right under the web page name, I don't have to go in the web page to find it.
lies.

You can't have enough time to answer it all that fast.

James even said him self you can have a search page open but it will take to long to answer, and I haven't seen any websites that you type in questions and they give you answer.

I know you didn't win that thing fair. I was with like 5 of my friends and they all said you were gonna somehow win on your last chance EVEN BEFORE IT STARTED.
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Old 08-21-2003, 09:16 AM
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lies.

You can't have enough time to answer it all that fast.

James even said him self you can have a search page open but it will take to long to answer, and I haven't seen any websites that you type in questions and they give you answer.

I know you didn't win that thing fair. I was with like 5 of my friends and they all said you were gonna somehow win on your last chance EVEN BEFORE IT STARTED.
it was a relatively easy question.
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Old 08-21-2003, 09:18 AM
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yes plz.. >.> that was the uber ownige...

O, and erm, lol, calling somebody a ***** is considered Sexual harrassment... Calling somebody a mother fu**** is considered sexual harrassment as well

Erm...

kindof

well

I withdraw any and all posts made >.>
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Old 08-21-2003, 04:09 PM
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it was a relatively easy question.
What was the question?
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What was the question?
It was like

"Who got the first homerun in 1932"

I don't know of any website's that you type in saying that question and they give you answer lol.
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Old 08-22-2003, 12:32 AM
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It was like

"Who got the first homerun in 1932"

I don't know of any website's that you type in saying that question and they give you answer lol.
If you type things in Google, it will give you a DESCRIPTION of the website, and in most descriptions, you can figure out the answer without needing to actually get on the site, and that's how I got it right. Quit whining because you didn't win, sheesh.
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Old 08-22-2003, 01:44 AM
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It was like

"Who got the first homerun in 1932"

I don't know of any website's that you type in saying that question and they give you answer lol.
That's not an easy question, my guess would be Babe Ruth.

If you typed that into a page, it's highly unlikely that you will get the result right away. I don't know if it's the exact question he was asked but that would not just pop up in a few seconds. It'd show a site of stats and a person would have to look trhough it.
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Old 08-22-2003, 02:04 AM
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That's not an easy question, my guess would be Babe Ruth.

If you typed that into a page, it's highly unlikely that you will get the result right away. I don't know if it's the exact question he was asked but that would not just pop up in a few seconds. It'd show a site of stats and a person would have to look trhough it.
google is pretty fast and gives a description i think
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Wasn't this post about the bonecrusher?
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Wasn't this post about the bonecrusher?
so what?
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Old 08-22-2003, 03:13 AM
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Yeah thats right, Canada is good for something.

Let me see everyone say it now...
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Yet another reason why I'm glad that I don't play in gold servers. Most of you people need to learn that it's not good to beat a dead horse.
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