Playerworld information yet again..

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
This is exactly what I am talking about, normally a "theme" of a PW is dreamed up by one person, this person is normally the Manager. But of course the Staff can have a great influence on the direction or directions this theme will take. This can't happen if you have a unified governing body like the PWA controlling more than one PW, it will tend to stifle the creative process because they (PWA) will not be as focused on that PW as a Manager would be. Other ideas from other PWs will eventually creep into the picture whether on purpose or not and will tend to blend the PWs is what I am saying, because of lack of focus.

On servers such as Shifting Ages and Oasis, that would indeed be a problem. On the servers that don't currently have any innovation or flavour anyway, it would only be an improvement.

Besides, Graal managers are notoriously bad at their jobs. Many of them do far more good than bad.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


On servers such as Shifting Ages and Oasis, that would indeed be a problem. On the servers that don't currently have any innovation or flavour anyway, it would only be an improvement.

Besides, Graal managers are notoriously bad at their jobs. Many of them do far more good than bad.

The servers here, Shifting Ages and Oasis are RP servers and that’s fine if you like those kinds over servers, but if you look at the player list they are by far the most popular on Graal. Hard core servers like this and the gold servers are not in anyway the most popular with the average player. The Classic servers are the bulk of what players play and what they like even Unixmad has stated this. I agree many online are a lot to be desired when it comes to management, mainly because they haven't a clue how to manage. Some don't do too bad but you seem to clump all classic servers as inferior to the Gold servers, this may be your opinion but when it comes to money and Graal they are not the ones paying the bills, the Classic Servers are regardless of content or management. Putting the PWA over some of these to "manage " them in my opinion won't change much at all. Trying to make them more like Oasis or Shifting Ages will not increase their popularity as is proved by the player count of 2002.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
The servers here, Shifting Ages and Oasis are RP servers

That's debatable. From what I've heard, they are servers in which it is possible to RP but they're not exclusively dedicated to RPing.

and that’s fine if you like those kinds over servers, but if you look at the player list they are by far the most popular on Graal.

I think you mean they're not the most popular? Even if that were true (we haven't seen many good RP servers, so it's not like we've had a good statistical sample), what relevance does the point have?

you seem to clump all classic servers as inferior to the Gold servers, this may be your opinion but when it comes to money and Graal they are not the ones paying the bills

The players of Classic servers pay only a small one-time fee. The players of Gold servers pay larger, continuous fees. Even though the former get more players, I wouldn't be surprised if the latter gets more money. Otherwise what would be the point?

Putting the PWA over some of these to "manage " them in my opinion won't change much at all. Trying to make them more like Oasis or Shifting Ages will not increase their popularity as is proved by the player count of 2002.

When did I say that they should be made more like Oasis or Shifting Ages? It's getting irritating that you don't bother to read my posts fully before replying. I said that Oasis and Shifting Ages are examples of servers that would suffer from outside management, that's all. Most Classic servers would not.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


The players of Classic servers pay only a small one-time fee. The players of Gold servers pay larger, continuous fees. Even though the former get more players, I wouldn't be surprised if the latter gets more money. Otherwise what would be the point?



When did I say that they should be made more like Oasis or Shifting Ages? It's getting irritating that you don't bother to read my posts fully before replying. I said that Oasis and Shifting Ages are examples of servers that would suffer from outside management, that's all. Most Classic servers would not.

Wrong Kai people like me play only Classic servers and yet I hold a Gold and a VIP account , there are those who have VIP or Gold who don't like the gold servers but do pay for Gold or VIP. Unixmad has already stated the Classic servers bring in the bulk of Graal's money. I read your simplistic post , I can't help you keep going in the direction you want to and not what I have posted. I also used Oasis and Shifting Ages as examples of RP servers in which the bulk of Graal do not like playing , something you fail to read although this is not the first time I posted that.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Wrong Kai people like me play only Classic servers and yet I hold a Gold and a VIP account

Why would somebody pay for a Gold account when they don't play the Gold servers? A couple might do so as charity, but not many

Unixmad has already stated the Classic servers bring in the bulk of Graal's money.

Where?

I read your simplistic post , I can't help you keep going in the direction you want to and not what I have posted.

'Simplistic' post? Simplistic in what way?

Anyway, I go in the direction that the argument takes me, the direction that is necessary to answer your points. How can you expect me to do anything else?

I also used Oasis and Shifting Ages as examples of RP servers in which the bulk of Graal do not like playing

And yet there is no relevance. You stated that making all servers like Shifting Ages and Oasis would be bad, and yet there is no relevance. Why did you make these redundant points if you did not think they would counter mine?

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


And yet there is no relevance. You stated that making all servers like Shifting Ages and Oasis would be bad, and yet there is no relevance. Why did you make these redundant points if you did not think they would counter mine?

I said no such thing please refrain from putting words in my mouth , the RP servers have their place just as the Classic servers do, I never said any of them were bad only that the majority prefer the Classic servers over the Gold.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
I said no such thing please refrain from putting words in my mouth , the RP servers have their place just as the Classic servers do, I never said any of them were bad only that the majority prefer the Classic servers over the Gold.

Again you prove your inability to read simple English. Study these words:

"You stated that making all servers like Shifting Ages and Oasis would be bad"

Note that they are different to these words:

"You stated that Shifting Ages and Oasis would be bad"

See? It's not so hard if you put enough effort in.

[Soul-Blade]

Moon God, currently there is not a single server with superior graphics online publicly as classic. There is nothing to compare SA or Oasis to, and for that reason it has never been tested with the players. If the players like it so much by posts on the forums, do you really believe these classic playerworlds will be ahead of SA or Oasis when it is released? I'd say it is safe to assume they will be at the top of the list, waiting for classic worlds to increase quality to their level.

Sorry to say, but soon classic will become classic, and the players will adjust to this change quickly and accordingly.

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by Soul-Blade
Moon God, currently there is not a single server with superior graphics online publicly as classic. There is nothing to compare SA or Oasis to, and for that reason it has never been tested with the players. If the players like it so much by posts on the forums, do you really believe these classic playerworlds will be ahead of SA or Oasis when it is released? I'd say it is safe to assume they will be at the top of the list, waiting for classic worlds to increase quality to their level.

Sorry to say, but soon classic will become classic, and the players will adjust to this change quickly and accordingly.

That all remains to be seen, I wish them luck

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Again you prove your inability to read simple English. Study these words:

"You stated that making all servers like Shifting Ages and Oasis would be bad"

Note that they are different to these words:

"You stated that Shifting Ages and Oasis would be bad"

See? It's not so hard if you put enough effort in.

No I didn't , you lier , produce this post of mine.:grrr:

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
No I didn't , you lier , produce this post of mine.:grrr:

Sigh. Now you're having difficulty reading your own posts? When referring to Classic servers:

"Trying to make them more like Oasis or Shifting Ages will not increase their popularity as is proved by the player count of 2002"

Whether or not you intended to, you said that the assimilation of the Oasis/Shifting Ages playstyle into the Classic servers would be a bad thing (or, at least, that it wouldn't increase their popularity).

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Sigh. Now you're having difficulty reading your own posts? When referring to Classic servers:

"Trying to make them more like Oasis or Shifting Ages will not increase their popularity as is proved by the player count of 2002"

Whether or not you intended to, you said that the assimilation of the Oasis/Shifting Ages playstyle into the Classic servers would be a bad thing (or, at least, that it wouldn't increase their popularity).

thats not what he said

[Kaimetsu]

Yes it is. It's a direct quote

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Yes it is. It's a direct quote

ok, I see what happened, your post was misunderstood

[HoudiniMan]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
would be a bad thing (or, at least, that it wouldn't increase their popularity).

That's a mighty big assumption to try to call MG on, when it was your own blunder by deciding for yourself what he meant... For the rest of us it was pretty obviously the latter

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by HoudiniMan
That's a mighty big assumption to try to call MG on, when it was your own blunder by deciding for yourself what he meant... For the rest of us it was pretty obviously the latter

What are you even trying to say? "The latter"? The latter of what two options? What blunder? I don't think you even know what's going on

[Kinatt]

As I have said time and time again I say Destroy all the servers except G2k2, Classic, Era, and Unholy Nation.

[Soul-Blade]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


What are you even trying to say? "The latter"? The latter of what two options? What blunder? I don't think you even know what's going on

Ahahaha, HoudiniMan never knows what is going on

[Darlene159]

I believe what Moon god is trying to say number one, is that the majority of the people who play Graal like the classic style and dont like the Gold servers, or dont like them as much
number two, even if there are awsome servers put up, there will still be alot of people who like the "classic" feel, and the classic servers changing their style to be like these new servers, or like the gold servers would be a bad idea because of those people who enjoy the classic style, dont you understand that alot of people like the classic style? Kai, how often do you go on these servers? How often do you talk to these people about their likes and dislikes? Many have told me that they dislike the gold server style and wont play it, on the other-hand, if these new servers are going to be classic servers, and they are truly as awsome as some are saying, players might love them, it all remains to be seen....Anyway, this whole thing about saying the PWA should manage servers is rediculous..if there are bad managers, the PWA can weed them out and place someone there who can do the job, there are people who can do the job without being corrupt, they are just hard to find, but I dont believe the PWA even has the time to manage servers along with what their job already entitles

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Sigh. Now you're having difficulty reading your own posts? When referring to Classic servers:

"Trying to make them more like Oasis or Shifting Ages will not increase their popularity as is proved by the player count of 2002"

Whether or not you intended to, you said that the assimilation of the Oasis/Shifting Ages playstyle into the Classic servers would be a bad thing (or, at least, that it wouldn't increase their popularity).

Again DON"T put words in my mouth, I NEVER said it was a bad thing, there is a big difference in what I said and what you are trying to make it out to be. Saying making the classic servers more in line with RP servers will not increase their popularity does not in any way say they are "bad". Take it for what it says " IT WILL NOT INCREASE THEIR POPULARITY AS PROVEN BY PLAYER COUNT . Only you are saying it is "bad" I didn't say that. I said what I meant; it is you that are having a problem comprehending a simple statement. It is you that are trying to make more out of it than was expressed.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Soul-Blade



Ahahaha, HoudiniMan never knows what is going on

He knows exactly what is going on Soul...

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Again DON"T put words in my mouth, I NEVER said it was a bad thing

You said that it would reduce their popularity.
Reducing their popularity is a bad thing.

Paraphrasing is not a sin

Originally posted by Darlene159
I believe what Moon god is trying to say number one, is that the majority of the people who play Graal like the classic style and dont like the Gold servers, or dont like them as much

That might be true and it might be false. It hasn't been proven either way. The fact that more people play Classic servers proves nothing, since the pricing plan is different between the two.

number two, even if there are awsome servers put up, there will still be alot of people who like the "classic" feel, and the classic servers changing their style to be like these new servers, or like the gold servers would be a bad idea

Reasonable statement. Here is the funny thing: I never said otherwise. Moon God characteristically replied before reading my post properly (or didn't understand the words, I dunno), and subsequently came away with a completely wrong impression of my point. I have never said that we should make all playerworlds like Gold servers.

this whole thing about saying the PWA should manage servers is rediculous..if there are bad managers, the PWA can weed them out and place someone there who can do the job

Yeah. So why aren't they doing that at the moment? A manager banned me from his playerworld recently because I banned his forum account. If such immature children have power then the system obviously does not work.

[HoudiniMan]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
If such immature children have power then the system obviously does not work.

That's a double edged sword my friend.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by HoudiniMan
That's a double edged sword my friend.

Still bitter because I blocked you? Get over it and stop trolling.

[protagonist]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Yeah. So why aren't they doing that at the moment? A manager banned me from his playerworld recently because I banned his forum account. If such immature children have power then the system obviously does not work.

I think that Manager should be dealt with. I think it would be a better idea if PWA members ran a server for a few days after a Manager quit to make sure the upcoming Manager is competent.

[adam]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Still bitter because I blocked you? Get over it and stop trolling.

Are you confusing me with him, or do you block lots' of people?

[HoudiniMan]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Still bitter because I blocked you? Get over it and stop trolling.

Hardly, and while you are dodging a response i'll humor you. I'm just sick of your attitude and the way you go about things. You regularly participate in arguments and don't moderate the forums according to the rules. I know everybody bends them some but you won't do it even if you're asked to stop. The forums are going to hell with you at the helm. This is of course only considering the postings and moderation aspects, the forums admins do a great job keeping them up and running smoothly.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by HoudiniMan
Hardly, and while you are dodging a response i'll humor you.

Dodging a response? How am I expected to respond to guttersniping like yours? You didn't raise any valid points or give any worthwhile evidence, you just threw an insult at me.

I'm just sick of your attitude and the way you go about things. You regularly participate in arguments and don't moderate the forums according to the rules.

Arguments are largely what forums are for, and they usually don't get too heated here. It amuses me, though, that you've started a fight as a way of complaining about fighting.

The forums are going to hell with you at the helm.

How is it any worse than if I were a normal user? Let me guess, you're one of those people who thinks we should ignore the rules and never ban anybody?

Originally posted by adam
Are you confusing me with him, or do you block lots' of people?

A fair few. I blocked him because he kept IMing me expecting me to do his menial research.

[zell12]

Fire Houdini. He is like the nuts in bubblegum icecream. He doesn't belong.

[HoudiniMan]

Originally posted by zell12
Fire Houdini. He is like the nuts in bubblegum icecream. He doesn't belong.

If you'd like to share you concerns in private my aim is listed. Constructive criticism only please.

Let me guess, you're one of those people who thinks we should ignore the rules and never ban anybody?

Where did i imply this? If anything they should be enforced more strictly with common sense.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by HoudiniMan
Where did i imply this? If anything they should be enforced more strictly with common sense.

If they were enforced more strictly then the forums would have even fewer members

[FrostyElf]

If they were enforced more strictly then the forums would have even fewer members

he's right though i enjoy watching everyone argue about all these stupid thing's about playerworlds because it amuses me at how people argue and the things they say and how someone makes another feel stupid with the post he's just made.

[TifaKhan]

Originally posted by zell12
Fire Houdini. He is like the nuts in bubblegum icecream. He doesn't belong.

Even though in the past Houdini and i didnt always see eye to eye, since he became a pw inspector he has been most helpful and courteous.
I have found no fault in the way he handles things, and what he stated about the forums is true.
More are leaving all the time.
You may as well put a sign up, enter forums at your own risk.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


If they were enforced more strictly then the forums would have even fewer members

So what are you saying here Kai? Don't enforce rules that would be unpopular so as to keep the Forum count up?

Its more of because of the attacks and negative post here then any rules enforced, but why would you see that? You enjoy the arguing.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
So what are you saying here Kai? Don't enforce rules that would be unpopular so as to keep the Forum count up?

Again, again and again I ask that you read my posts before replying. Use a dictionary if you have trouble. All I stated was that greater strictness would reduce the number of forum members, not that the current level of strictness is inadequate.

Its more of because of the attacks and negative post here then any rules enforced

Like hell it is. Step out of your fantasy world, dude. Virtually nobody quits because of negativity.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Again, again and again I ask that you read my posts before replying. Use a dictionary if you have trouble. All I stated was that greater strictness would reduce the number of forum members, not that the current level of strictness is inadequate.



Like hell it is. Step out of your fantasy world, dude. Virtually nobody quits because of negativity.

Wake up Kai and try reading the threads of people who have quit for that very reason, these Forums have become to hostile to bother trying to post in, and you prove that point everyday.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Wake up Kai and try reading the threads of people who have quit for that very reason

Hah! If there are so many then I guess you won't have any trouble finding examples?

these Forums have become to hostile to bother trying to post in, and you prove that point everyday.

Me? You start far more fights than I do, MG, but then I guess you've always been one for double standards

[HoudiniMan]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Me? You start far more fights than I do

Not by a long shot.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by HoudiniMan
Not by a long shot.

You might be surprised. I actually start very few fights, most of the big arguments arise because I retaliate against attacks from people like you and Moon God.

[Darlene159]

13. If a flamewar insues, this does not give you the right to take part in it, and
persistent offenders will be punished.