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Tyhm · #46 06-21-2002, 11:13 PM

Sure. If diamond swords are ever made of course, they'll probably work with shields just on account of because that's the way the system works...
but Daggers are essentially light, short blades. Making them perfect candidates for akimbo weapons - it makes more sense to have a dagger in either hand than a sword in either hand, I suppose, as much as I'd like to fight with two axes and all that. ^___^

haunter · #47 06-21-2002, 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by Tyhm
Sure. If diamond swords are ever made of course, they'll probably work with shields just on account of because that's the way the system works...
but Daggers are essentially light, short blades. Making them perfect candidates for akimbo weapons - it makes more sense to have a dagger in either hand than a sword in either hand, I suppose, as much as I'd like to fight with two axes and all that. ^___^

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BlKnight · #48 06-22-2002, 02:45 AM

Thats no fair then Tyhm. That means daggers are weaker than swords and diamond daggers are weaker than diamond swords. It's way too unbalanced. if your idea works.

Sword Advantages-power
-range
-ability to use shield

Dagger Advantages:-speed

It's unfair to have to sacrifice power range and ability to use shield just for a faster weapon.

Here is a final comprimise: both are equal in damage.

That way you can choose range and shield use or speed but both do same damage.

Tyhm · #49 06-22-2002, 04:03 AM

Swords are more expensive, and speed matters. Plus there's no guarantee there will ever be diamond swords. Plus a master with a metal dagger should be able to do more damage than a newbie with a diamond sword - level should affect damage, not just accuracy.

BlKnight · #50 06-22-2002, 04:13 AM

Pretend that we are talking about axes (just to get the dagger and sword thing away) would you think that a weak axe with short range that uses both arms but is faster is equal to a strong long range and one handed axe that is slower?

Tyhm · #51 06-22-2002, 04:19 AM

If the smaller axe does half the damage and has twice the speed, heck yeah! Double the chance of hitting with at least one of them!

BlKnight · #52 06-22-2002, 04:34 AM

Fine, make the dagger more accurate...makes sense since when you're clsoe enough to be able to use it you'd be sure enough to hit (unless it's blocked).

Finnaly we have the whole daggers and sword thing settled....took us what? 3 pages?

Ok next topic, accuracy should increase by leveling not power. I meaa how do you get the weapon doing more damage the more you use it? Here is an example.....I take a baseball bat and start htting people with it, after a while it's easier to hit the pople, but the actual bat doesn't do anymore damage...at the msot your strength increases not the weapons.

haunter · #53 06-22-2002, 04:54 AM

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Originally posted by BlKnight
Fine, make the dagger more accurate...makes sense since when you're clsoe enough to be able to use it you'd be sure enough to hit (unless it's blocked).

Finnaly we have the whole daggers and sword thing settled....took us what? 3 pages?

Ok next topic, accuracy should increase by leveling not power. I meaa how do you get the weapon doing more damage the more you use it? Here is an example.....I take a baseball bat and start htting people with it, after a while it's easier to hit the pople, but the actual bat doesn't do anymore damage...at the msot your strength increases not the weapons.

I think the weapon command in a RP menu refers to your experiance with that weapon. So you would be more accurate and be able to give more damage with that weapon.

Tyhm · #54 06-22-2002, 05:37 AM

Your skill with the weapon increases. As your skill increases you go from missing and the occasional hit to hitting and the occasional Hard Hit to Hard-Hitting and the occasional Critical Blow.

My point is that if you match fighters, one with a sword and shield against one with a dagger, the person with the sword and shield will and should win by virtue of they're a freaking tank. You gotta be damn good with a dagger to win in a fair fight, or fight dirty/use stealth somehow

BlKnight · #55 06-22-2002, 06:22 AM

Ok I was planning to psot a bunch of arguemenst to that but I thinkw e should drop that subject and go on to bigger and better arguements.

Tyhm · #56 06-22-2002, 06:42 AM

*shrugs* If you say so. I don't really see how one could safely argue that in a fair fight, a newbie with a metal dagger would defeat (or even stand a chance against) a newbie with a shield and sword.

Oh, but here's an idea. Hold Dagger+Away+Facing opponent's back - attack to the throat, guaranteed hit for big damage. The tricky part is sneaking up behind someone...Since you can't use the dagger to defend, it's a valid "combo" move...
If you could charge it too, like hold away, then release to attack, you could do one-hit kills with the dagger...but I imagine you'd have to be really good to be an assassin.

BlKnight · #57 06-22-2002, 06:55 AM

Yeah or practice gaining the victims trust. How about you have to hold the combo for 30 seconds (but they can't move) so if there is a guard there or whatever that can hit you the count restarts.

Whatever a newbie with a dagger should be wrose off than a newbie with a sword and shield but an expert with a dagger who knows how to manouver etc should stand equal to a master with a sword and shield. Whatever leveling way or whatever you want to have it.

Tyhm · #58 06-22-2002, 08:28 PM

Hangon...so a master with a metal dagger verses a master who's a fargin' tank, metal sword and shield, the master with the dagger ties?

I still say that'd have to come down to how the fight plays out. Certainly, if the master with the dagger gets the jump on the master with the sword and shield, and nimbly runs behind and backstabs repeatedly, the dagger master would win...but if it's a head-on encounter in Mines2, I mean come on, it's just a bloodbath.

One of the reasons I want Daggers Akimbo is that you can get double damage that way. If a dagger does 2/3 the damage of a sword of the same materials, and you go in with a dagger in either hand against a guy with a sword and a shield, you'll do 1/3 more damage than he will - and faster - but with basically no defense. If you go in with a dagger you're sacrificing all defense for offense and speed - you need to be able to kill them quickly and get out of there before you get killed. The weapon makes the strategy.

BlKnight · #59 06-22-2002, 11:05 PM

Well yes, if the dagger and sword and shield guy went face to face and started swinging the dagger user should fail. But if used properly and ran around too fast for the swordsmen there should be a chance of the dagger user winning.