Gun Admin and total revamps:

[ilovegirlzz]

Originally Posted by Supaman771

Like I said, the stats are set in stone, the prices aren't.

If they're the same, then the 200k gun is obviously not worth 200k. Or visa versa to the 30k gun.

Either people got really good deals paying 30k for the guns, or people are retarded and spent 200k for the same gun.

thats the thing THEY SHOULDNT BE THE SAME..

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by WillaWonka

Yeah so... that leaves a huge gap between 30k gun and the tier 3, 350k gun. So, likewise, make all tier 1 guns, 5k, all tier 2 guns, 30k and all tier 3 guns 350k-2mil

Yes... Wil Soul was brilliant! He managed to create a gap between average guns and reallllllly good guns and use this for his, and all the soul's profits. YES!

LOL omg stop making me laugh seriously.
This is the most blatant made up random assumption I think I've ever heard.

Originally Posted by ilovegirlzz

thats the thing THEY SHOULDNT BE THE SAME..

Says who?

MT and PPSH were legitimately IDENTICAL (100% the same stats) pre-nerf.
Didn't stop MT from costing 2x what PPSH cost.. both were the similar rarities, and had F toggle options.

So...

[ilovegirlzz]

Originally Posted by Supaman771

Says who?

MT and PPSH were legitimately IDENTICAL (100% the same stats) pre-nerf.
Didn't stop MT from costing 2x what PPSH cost.. both were the similar rarities, and had F toggle options.

So...

now they are the same price..the exact same gun diff gfx and f toggle. i guess will didnt balance anything..since thats the case with most guns

[WillaWonka]

'Tis boring, and rogue is the only one trying to argue against use. 'Tis boring to argue against him, he keeps on repeating himself. 'Tis boring.

BTW, rarity was the main factor that MT was better than PPSH, but that being said in all, you can only compare the MT to the HK416 pre-nerf. Now I don't know of anyone who owns a damn HK-416, or who wishes to purchase one when they can get a cheaper gun for same, ei Sten or SMGPK. So after this nerf i realized many of the guns were left to dust because everything is the same, all tier 2 guns are now about exclusivity, looks, and the F Toggle. Boring ****.

[Venom_Fish]

::Sigh::
I guess I let the argument run on long enough, let me end it.
After this, just close the thread... you guys are terrible.

In any event,
@Willa
Your argument is not even together.
You state that a 30,000$ gun is to capable against a 200,000$ gun.
However, you argue that the gap between weapons are higher.
<- Which is it? Are guns too close or too far? Take your pick.

Secondly, I was hired to rebalance all weapons on era.
That was my job, I did it... and got standing ovations for it.

Furthermore, those who oppose this change aren't in-fact the poor players,
A vast majority of the opposition are the wealthy players or ones close to it.
Tk, Take, and etc.

The players who've owned Tier 3 weapons and are now forced to STILL struggle against players who are skillful with a lesser tiered weapon. <- My objective.

@Ikki
A weapon is as good as you use it. Gaining a higher tier weapon simply makes it easier to use (for some guns), however, if you couldn't use the tier before, you'll still face the same problem.

Overall, to conquer this era, you must learn how to player-kill. Thats it. No weapon, item, explosive, elixir, cookie, or whatever will help you. You have to help yourself.

@Take
You have a Tommy Gun, you're still losing to mostly everyone. <- That isn't a mistake, its intentional, lol.
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This change is permanent.
The purpose of the balance was accomplished, in every detail.
My objective was to shape guns in a manner which the bigger gun doesn't necessarily mean the better player.
Secondly, I was asked to do this AND maintain a difference in each weapon as well as to account pricing, individuality, rarity, and a vast multitude of other factors.
I did this in every detail.

Its ironic, but all of your complaints are exactly what was intended,
Lower Tier Gun-Wielders can compete with us. (Intentional)
Higher-Tier Guns are still easier to use. (Intentional)
Higher-Tier Guns aren't dominant enough. (Intentional)
Weapons are too taxing to shoot. <- Meaning every bullet counts. (Intentional)

The reason that none of your complaints have been attended to because they are not problems; Haha.
On the contrary, they are the SOLUTIONS that were provided.
Therefore, this thread is nothing more than telling me, as well as the Era Administration who approved this that we were completely successful.

Thank you, we know.

Furthermore, initially, one of my intentions were that this change be a part of a four-step processes to bring Era out of this hell-hole age.
Our major issue is how difficult it is for new players to get in the action.
Guns, statistically, and economically were too far apart.
Gangs were too exclusive.

Those two issues were solved by these two major updates.
Well, one major update, the gang one is still far from completion (As outlined/intended).

The last two solutions I'll keep to myself.
The current Administration seems to be desperate for ideas, lets not make it easy now.

[WillaWonka]

I state the a $30,000 has nearly the same, if not nearly better stats of a 200k gun. GG. But shops are regulating prices. And when rogue brought up that the 200k gun should be worth the same as a 30k gun, which in retrospect should have all the expensive tier 2 guns match with the 30k guns, creating a huge gap between prices of tier 2 guns and tier 3 guns. You may have thought you have done this perfectly, but sadly there are still economical flaws that you missed. Only way to fix that is by a reset and then placing each tier gun at a set price, example tier 1 guns you can go ahead and have the ak47/handgun/etc at the 1k price mark, then the others at the 10k price mark (Mk23s, XM8, etc) afterwards make all the tier 2 guns at the 100k price mark, then all the tier 3 guns at the 250k price mark. So your working for whats really good, instead of paying 200k for a gun that is identical to, well, a 30k gun. And with a smaller goal you can focus on the real problem solver... more active pking, instead of continuously working hard for money. Reason why pking is low is because money-making is high, and rather fragile.

[Venom_Fish]

Originally Posted by WillaWonka

I state the a $30,000 has nearly the same, if not nearly better stats of a 200k gun. GG. But shops are regulating prices. And when rogue brought up that the 200k gun should be worth the same as a 30k gun, which in retrospect should have all the expensive tier 2 guns match with the 30k guns, creating a huge gap between prices of tier 2 guns and tier 3 guns. You may have thought you have done this perfectly, but sadly there are still economical flaws that you missed. Only way to fix that is by a reset and then placing each tier gun at a set price, example tier 1 guns you can go ahead and have the ak47/handgun/etc at the 1k price mark, then the others at the 10k price mark (Mk23s, XM8, etc) afterwards make all the tier 2 guns at the 100k price mark, then all the tier 3 guns at the 250k price mark. So your working for whats really good, instead of paying 200k for a gun that is identical to, well, a 30k gun. And with a smaller goal you can focus on the real problem solver... more active pking, instead of continuously working hard for money. Reason why pking is low is because money-making is high, and rather fragile.

Uh, I don't want money to be the determining factor for a gun's stats. Lol.
If it were left in my hands, I'd seek an almost complete balance.
In short, only two tiers, Tier 1 (Base Weapons, Uzi, Shotty, etc) and Tier 2(Everything else). <- If it were a case of reset.

Only reason I did not take that route was because players currently possessed items and MASSIVE losses would occur.
All Tier 2 weapons are balanced to a standard. So yeah, a 30,000$ tier 2 weapon is comparable to a 200,000$ tier 2 weapon (Depending on how you use it).
But uh, what Tier 2 weapon is 200,000$? o.O? (Not that it matters)

Same as Tier 3.
A 700,000$ Tier 3 weapon is comparable and can combat a 2million dollar Tier 3 weapon. <- Balanced.

That is the inner-tier level of balance. In the sense that every weapon (Arms) in a tier are set to a pre-balanced standard (Code).

Lastly, I think you're missing my point,
The point was to STOP money from being the determining factor for how effective a player is in the PK Field.
This allows the player who spends the most time in the spar arena or on the PK Field to own the player who spends all his/her time mining, digging, (usding), and etc.

Physically grab the head of each player and TURN it to focus on PKing, not money. <- That's how I can sum this up.

Any who, since your suggestion is for reset and a reset will probably never happen in your lifetime.
I'll say yeah, we'll do exactly what you say when the reset comes.

Happy?

[TSAdmin]

Price ranges are fine; stats are fine; my diagnosis: Bad babysitting...I mean "Poor user-abilities". The guns could be as closely similar or as vastly different as possible, but I will always remain of the stance that a weapon on Era (or any game) is only as good as the player using it. If Wil is anything, he's just proof of it. Whether with a <Insert "best" gun on Era> or a <insert "worst" gun on Era> (often proven over the years), Wil and a few others can easily win a spar or open-world battle with ease for one reason: They're better at moulding their skill level around the weapon they've got at the time.

[bloodykiller]

1. wil was getting owned a lot in raids by my rpg (remember rpg was drastically nerfed whilst i was the only player using it effectively, everyone else who owned one didnt really like it after it stopped shooting over walls)
2. higher freeze can limit skill: i.e. mp5 vd mp5 before required very quick button tapping whilst mp5 vs mp5 now (as any other gun) requires more patience
3. soul sucks, ive proven to be better than any of it's members (excluding wil) in raids, spars and gang events
4. gang events once a week must be some kind of joke, there should be a gang eventbot (as zeus proposed ages ago but nothing has been done "strangely") and 4-5 ETs should have the rights to host them, preferably on a daily basis and who cares if u dont always get mvps
5. the gang bases r really lame, if sum1 duznt want to 1v1 u he can easily run around the base. on the other hand, i like the no running from base thing

[Venom_Fish]

Originally Posted by bloodykiller

1. wil was getting owned a lot in raids by my rpg (remember rpg was drastically nerfed whilst i was the only player using it effectively, everyone else who owned one didnt really like it after it stopped shooting over walls)
2. higher freeze can limit skill: i.e. mp5 vd mp5 before required very quick button tapping whilst mp5 vs mp5 now (as any other gun) requires more patience
3. soul sucks, ive proven to be better than any of it's members (excluding wil) in raids, spars and gang events
4. gang events once a week must be some kind of joke, there should be a gang eventbot (as zeus proposed ages ago but nothing has been done "strangely") and 4-5 ETs should have the rights to host them, preferably on a daily basis and who cares if u dont always get mvps
5. the gang bases r really lame, if sum1 duznt want to 1v1 u he can easily run around the base. on the other hand, i like the no running from base thing

1. Not in your lifetime, I've beaten you with a handgun... pipe down.
2. Higher Freeze limits spray/lame, when you aren't taxed for the amount of bullets you put out, you can freely shoot everywhere and not face a consequence for it. However, in this case, if you try to spray and miss? Hehe, depending on your opponent, you'd dearly suffer for it.
3. You'd first have to beat regular players, lol. Which you can't even do.

The gang bases are perfect.
Doors cannot be lamed, you can't escape.
Even if a player decides to avoid fighting you (well, most often ME), you have a million ways to chase them. I have yet to have a problem catching a kill in ANY of the gang bases.
If I can do it, you can do... quit whining and do as they say, "LEARN2PK".

Jesus christ, you players are annoying.
Just learn how to PK, is that too much to ask?
No one's going to alter the facet of the game just because you're UNABLE to do something.
The job of the staff is to make it POSSIBLE.
Its POSSIBLE to be a GREAT player without having a GREAT weapon.
Its now in the player's hands to strive to be that great player INSTEAD of a GREAT WEAPON.

Try or Cry, either way, things are mostlikely staying.

[Shadow5596321]

Originally Posted by WillaWonka

Your retarded.

Irony sucks huh.

Overall, rich people QQ cause they can't go around acting hard cause they have to actually learn how to do something, right?

[WillaWonka]

Originally Posted by Shadow5596321

Irony sucks huh.

Overall, rich people QQ cause they can't go around acting hard cause they have to actually learn how to do something, right?

You keep being stupid, I'm not rich and I'm QQing, those who are rich don't QQ because they got the best of it.

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by Venom_Fish

Try or Cry, either way, things are mostlikely staying.

OLOL YES!

New catchphrase success.

[Shadow5596321]

Originally Posted by WillaWonka

You keep being stupid, I'm not rich and I'm QQing, those who are rich don't QQ because they got the best of it.

Originally Posted by WillaWonka

Your retarded.

Keep that irony up son.

From what I'm seeing you're crying because guns that cost 200k are on par with guns that are 40k.

Guns shouldn't be THAT much different, all because you have the cash doesn't mean you should have a gun that overpowers the others without having using much skill.

Skill>Everything else, You keep being stupid and whoever gave you admin probably did it as a joke.

[ilovegirlzz]

i just want the best guns to flaunt. i mean look at rogues signature has the best gun on era and the best staff on zodiac..and for some diversity in stats. MT and PPSH are basically the same with a difference in spread so would that mean you could use both guns the same?
p2ks and dr have basically the same stats. difference in spread same with famas and sg556.
sten m4 and hk416 have the same stats but almost 100k difference in price. all im saying is if i pay more for a gun it should be better..