A Proposition to save Graal Kingdoms

[Conqueror]

I agree with Fenix, Googi, and Tig on these points. I believe theres a lack of content, but also a lack of advertisement in the market.

I agree with tig, preserving the community is important. There are only a limited amount of certain "rare items" in this game, and MOST of them have died with old players from the past. As more people quit with their items, the less items there are on graal. Making items even rarer causing there value to rise. This process results in the rich becoming richer, and the poor becoming poorer. Making the poor eventually give up and quit, and repeating the cycle. The items that STILL ARE here should be preserved. We are already seeing the effects of this. Items used to be priced in "diamonds". But now they are being priced in "RoW's", that's how devastating the effect has been.

But I do agree with Googi. Updating new items and new content isn't the only thing that needs to be done to revive this server. There needs to be more marketing and advertisement. I'm not sure of Stefans financial situation, but it doesnt take a brainer to understand that the more money the game makes, the more advertisement he will be able to do. A good idea might be to adapt into Maple Story's idea's. Some people will dish out cash just to "look good", or whatever. Obviously the items shouldnt have stats, but just a certain look or whatever. Anyways, the more money he makes the more advertising he can do, which results in a higher player count.

But obviously there is alot of work to be done. There should be more levels, and dungeons. New monsters for higher levels. Maybe even making a greater variety of weapons and armour droppable. I dont know, I'm just saying. There's definetely a lack of content. Theres only so many Lord spots, you know? Sure everything is fine for the current playercount. But if we DO reach a higher playercount, the content is definetely too short. I don't know.. that's what I have to say.

I do feel Tig would be an excellent representetive for an Admin. But it's going to take more than one person to help revive a server. There should be numerous positions that should be given out to qualified, active players. And I feel that Tig would be a great start to a revival.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Mousymee

Googi, updates are essential to keep the players playing.

Yeah, but they don't keep players playing just by being updates. They have to be the right updates.

Originally Posted by LadyDarkwolf

Shouldnt there be something to get those that play now to stay and get new people to start playing but also keep everyone?

Yeah, there should be, but nobody can come up with a "something" that would actually be effective.

Originally Posted by protozero

I don't see why any of you are against Tig haveing administrator rights

I don't see why any of you are against <insert name of anybody who can develop here> having administrator rights.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Googi

I don't see why any of you are against <insert name of anybody who can develop here> having administrator rights.

I am not so sure about this thread, but I am pretty sure a big point of Fenix's is that I have been around here since the near beginning, and I have shown that I am dedicated to the server, not just that I have the ability to develop well, again, Fenix, correct me if I'm wrong.

[FenixTheBanished]

Originally Posted by Googi

Yeah, but they don't keep players playing just by being updates. They have to be the right updates.



Yeah, there should be, but nobody can come up with a "something" that would actually be effective.



I don't see why any of you are against <insert name of anybody who can develop here> having administrator rights.

Googi, you're a complete pessimist. Stop saying no one can come up with the right updates! FFS! NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO. Hell, if you have the money go* hire a World of Warcraft developer and in about 2 months he'll make Graal something to take your breath away for a 2D game. But clearly we don't have those recourses available to us!!!

Tig will be able to get us off on the right foot and he isn't going to just do any random stupid updates. He would think things through, think of what should be done and how things would be effected. So please stop sitting here knocking EVERYONE because there isn't a cure all solution to the problem. Yea we all agree with you, there isn't. So get off that subject, we all agree about it. But Tig is a start in the right direction. Otherwise NOTHING will get done just like NOTHING has been done since 2004 after event island was added during the MarkB Raffle days.

[FenixTheBanished]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

I am not so sure about this thread, but I am pretty sure a big point of Fenix's is that I have been around here since the near beginning, and I have shown that I am dedicated to the server, not just that I have the ability to develop well, again, Fenix, correct me if I'm wrong.

Once again you're right. No it's not because you can only script, etc etc. Its because you've been around since I have 4 years ago and there comes with it a knowledge and maturity that is needed to run a server with this kind of history. The server is made up of two things that are attractive. Content and Community. That's what made Graal a hit with 110+ player counts back in 2003. Tig has been around a very long time and he has the ability, the knowledge, and the ideas to relinquish the dead server that Graal has become into a new living and breathing being that I once was.

[Conqueror]

Way to totally ignore my post everyone :[.

[DustyPorViva]

Way to save GK? Well, it's tricky, and takes a lot of hard work, skill, patience, and most of all, the will to believe. It involves many candles, chants, ritualistic dances, crudely drawn sigils, and 42 female virgins.

[Arch_Angel]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Way to save GK? Well, it's tricky, and takes a lot of hard work, skill, patience, and most of all, the will to believe. It involves many candles, chants, ritualistic dances, crudely drawn sigils, and 42 female virgins.

Man.... How are we gonna get enough candles

[Mousymee]

Originally Posted by Googi

Yeah, but they don't keep players playing just by being updates. They have to be the right updates.

They'll be the right updates. Tig's a player, like the rest of us, he knows what we want, he'll actually listen to us.

[ViperZakuto]

I may not agree with a lot of things tig does or says... but I think he should be administrator. He has the knowlege, skill, and he would look at situations from all angles and make the best decision possible. Even if he does bad updates what can he really hurt? Maybe once they release G3d and it dies in it's short lived lifespan... The current administrators wll say... damn we made a mistake.

My only question is for stefan. Why would you abandon a project that you dedicated 9 years of your life to bring to life, and has so much unexplored potential.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished

and the ideas to relinquish the dead server

What's your basis for this? Where are these ideas?

Originally Posted by Mousymee

They'll be the right updates. Tig's a player, like the rest of us, he knows what we want, he'll actually listen to us.

I'm not impressed by the update suggestions coming from the players. Most of them are updates that even they themselves would probably get bored of in under two hours.

Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished

But Tig is a start in the right direction. Otherwise NOTHING will get done just like NOTHING has been done since 2004 after event island was added during the MarkB Raffle days.

But things were added. Like Battle Island. Which didn't do anything because it was a worthless update. Tell me what's going to be added that isn't going to be a worthless update.

[FenixTheBanished]

Originally Posted by Googi

What's your basis for this? Where are these ideas?



I'm not impressed by the update suggestions coming from the players. Most of them are updates that even they themselves would probably get bored of in under two hours.



But things were added. Like Battle Island. Which didn't do anything because it was a worthless update. Tell me what's going to be added that isn't going to be a worthless update.

No, how about you tell us WTF YOURE going to do since apparently you think no one else is capable of doing anything right. How about you just leave this whole thing alone and go wallow in your own negativity because apparently you're doing nothing to solve the problem, only making more. And the whole battle island thing is because guess what NO ONE WILL HELP RAVENBLADE. So. Why don't you go scurry off to your Negativity hole and have fun. Unless you're ready to actually do something about saving a server you SUPPOSEDLY care about so much.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Googi

Which didn't do anything because it was a worthless update. Tell me what's going to be added that isn't going to be a worthless update.

While I don't think Battle Island was that nice... I don't think there is such a thing as a worthless update. All updates are an attempt to save the server, and I don't really see you making any of those attempts. Ravenblade was trying, of course he didn't work nearly as hard as he should have on the island... but I am working on it now and building new things on it that are very nice. I think everyone will be pleased with the things on it.

[TSAdmin]

I know I'm not a consistent GK player, but I've seen what Tig's capable of from working with him here and there, and to be honest, he's the 'injection in the arm' GK is obviously in desperate need of.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished

No, how about you tell us WTF YOURE going to do since apparently you think no one else is capable of doing anything right. How about you just leave this whole thing alone and go wallow in your own negativity because apparently you're doing nothing to solve the problem, only making more. And the whole battle island thing is because guess what NO ONE WILL HELP RAVENBLADE. So. Why don't you go scurry off to your Negativity hole and have fun. Unless you're ready to actually do something about saving a server you SUPPOSEDLY care about so much.

I'm not doing development work because I don't know what kind of development work will be effective in attracting new players. Instead, I'm trying to find this out.

Despite your accusations of negativity, the greater problem is clearly that I'm actually too positive seeing as I've twice tried to implement programs (FAQ, advertising) that I mistakenly believed would actually accomplish something.

But even if I wasn't doing a thing to help revive the server, it wouldn't make my criticisms any more/less true or false. If my criticisms are true, then they're true regardless of whether or not I'm trying to revive the server. If they're false, then they're false regardless of whether or not I'm trying to revive the server.