Graal v5 for Nintendo DS. - Page 3

D4rKv310c1ty · #1 07-27-2007, 02:16 AM

Graal for DS is not going to happen, finito.

Angel_Light · #2 07-27-2007, 02:33 AM

Dev kit? I guess not. It really wouldnt be that hard to port Graal to anything. They will just need to remove certain parts of the game that will be never used.

D4rKv310c1ty · #3 07-27-2007, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Angel_Light

Dev kit? I guess not. It really wouldnt be that hard to port Graal to anything. They will just need to remove certain parts of the game that will be never used.

Dev kit, Schmev kit. You can make an offline version but (this has been said already) it defies the point of Graal online and most probably will be a cheap rip of Zelda.

Stefans already said, the DS just simply can't handle the page memory overflow.
NO.

OMGosh · #4 07-27-2007, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by D4rKv310c1ty

Dev kit, Schmev kit. You can make an offline version but (this has been said already) it defies the point of Graal online and most probably will be a cheap rip of Zelda.

Stefans already said, the DS just simply can't handle the page memory overflow.
NO.

If you've got nothing to contribute about Graal being put out on a system as an offline adventure game, don't say anything at all. You're going WAY off topic. It would be used as a promotion/marketting strategy for the REAL Graal. Also, how could it NOT be a knock-off of Zelda, it used to be called "Zelda Online Adventures," Graal wouldn't exist if it didn't look so Zelda-like.

Stop going off topic, you're all bothering me. More for Stefan to read means less to be done.

(If you disagree, and think nothing will happen, SHUT UP because nobody here gives a crap about your opinion.)

Good Day/Night.

Crono · #5 07-27-2007, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OMGosh

(If you disagree, and think nothing will happen, SHUT UP because nobody here gives a crap about your opinion.)

Like anyone cares about your opinion even if you agree?

D4rKv310c1ty · #6 07-27-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OMGosh

If you've got nothing to contribute about Graal being put out on a system as an offline adventure game, don't say anything at all. You're going WAY off topic. It would be used as a promotion/marketting strategy for the REAL Graal. Also, how could it NOT be a knock-off of Zelda, it used to be called "Zelda Online Adventures," Graal wouldn't exist if it didn't look so Zelda-like.

Stop going off topic, you're all bothering me. More for Stefan to read means less to be done.

(If you disagree, and think nothing will happen, SHUT UP because nobody here gives a crap about your opinion.)

Good Day/Night.

Like Gerami said, who cares about your oppinion if "no one" cares about ours.

It doesn't matter how much Stefan reads, it's still
Not-Going-To-Be-Done.

Exactly, so if there's already a real Zelda out and Graal obviously being majorly influenced by Zelda it wouldn't do Graal any good in the first place. Players will notice that it is a cheap rip of Zelda and the offline version wouldn't proceed at all in the first place in the retail market.

Go ahead, make cheap offline versions with all your fancy so-called Dev kits, and then eventually distribute it as a free ROM, because at the end of the day it's going to stay as a free ROM and it'd infringe copyright laws if anyone else other than Linux Cyberjouers sold it as a properly packaged retail version.

OK, talking about Mystic. 4MB of Memory added onto the expansion 8MB is still 12MB. That is far from enough for an online version of Graal online to be ported to a DS. Although this inspires hope in that someone could create a device which holds a large amount of memory at this moment of time, there is none.

Get it into your head OMGosh, it's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

Atleast not for a system like DS. I'm not saying I personally dislike the DS, I love it. I have one myself and even an emulator card to play rips and etc, but it's system is too weak for the Graal client and could easily crash at any point.

Maybe, just maybe it'll be easier to port to Xbox as there is a keyboard peripheral that you can buy for it, but what with the Xbox slowly morphing into a computer system you may iswell just sit at your desk and thrash the S button whilst posting rant threads about GK on the forums (which is what Graal mostly consists of).

Even if it was ported, the game pad controller would still prove inconvenience. It'd simply be too hard to play with, I once used a PS2 similar looking controller (USB) on the PC and tried to play to Graal, result? Too hard.

Just no..
NO.

zim5354 · #7 07-27-2007, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by D4rKv310c1ty

Even if it was ported, the game pad controller would still prove inconvenience. It'd simply be too hard to play with, I once used a PS2 similar looking controller (USB) on the PC and tried to play to Graal, result? Too hard.

Just no..
NO.

You could always play with the D pad, I doubt this will happen though.

cbk1994 · #8 07-27-2007, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by D4rKv310c1ty

Not-Going-To-Be-Done.
free
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
NO.

Nice use of bold, capitals, and large letters

haunter · #9 07-27-2007, 03:29 AM

I was just reading a wiki article about MapleStory DS which is due out in Korea in September. It will mark the first MMO on the DS (or a handheld for that matter?) I wonder what the systems reqs for MapleStory's PC version are compared to Graal's...

Hmm. But according to the info on Wikipedia MapleStory DS will only support up to "2-4 player party mode" which isn't very "MMO"

D4rKv310c1ty · #10 07-27-2007, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by haunter

I was just reading a wiki article about MapleStory DS which is due out in Korea in September. It will mark the first MMO on the DS (or a handheld for that matter?) I wonder what the systems reqs for MapleStory's PC version are compared to Graal's...

Hmm. But according to the info on Wikipedia MapleStory DS will only support up to "2-4 player party mode" which isn't very "MMO"

It's not always about reqs. Alot of it is coding too, even so in some levels and areas Graal could easily crash a system DS because it would overflow it's memory too much.

MysticX2X · #11 07-27-2007, 07:52 AM

Well i been lookin at this ds web browser that was just recently released. It includes a ram expansion of 8mb that will connect in the gba slot. Search "Nintendo_DS_Memory_Expansion_Pak" in wikipedia for more information. The new Ds web browser supports java but not flash

Whoopsie, haunter mentioned the memory extension. But he didnt mention the browsers capability!

It wouldve been cool if the ds browser could take some media but it says it cant support videos so thats a bummer.

CABAL49 · #12 07-27-2007, 08:05 PM

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OMGosh · #13 07-27-2007, 09:24 PM

Can that 'Darkvelocity' person be banned from this thread? He's not contributing at all. Who the hell would go and play a 2d-ish game on an xbox?

That's like releasing Pong for the PS3. Wtf?

D4rKv310c1ty · #14 07-28-2007, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by OMGosh

Can that 'Darkvelocity' person be banned from this thread? He's not contributing at all. Who the hell would go and play a 2d-ish game on an xbox?

That's like releasing Pong for the PS3. Wtf?

Please don't turn yourself into another another "Excaliber7388" or whatever.

We all know what happened to him, he was the one that got banned because he was being arrogant and making the community miserable.

What i'm saying however is things already noted from previous threads such as this MAINLY because it has alot of sense behind it.

I think you'll see I am contributing to it quite a fair bit, I'm stating the negative of a .. well... non-existent positive.

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NO.

OMGosh · #15 07-30-2007, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by D4rKv310c1ty

Please don't turn yourself into another another "Excaliber7388" or whatever.

We all know what happened to him, he was the one that got banned because he was being arrogant and making the community miserable.

What i'm saying however is things already noted from previous threads such as this MAINLY because it has alot of sense behind it.

I think you'll see I am contributing to it quite a fair bit, I'm stating the negative of a .. well... non-existent positive.

...

NO.

Are you kidding me? Excalibur was a good friend of mine, I applaud him for his efforts.

You think that if Nintendo were to announce of this new adventure game that nobody would come play the real game? Be realistic, if Nintendo were to say they were coming out with an attachment for the DS that breaks your screens and prevents cancer, it would STILL sell more than anything Graal could try to sell.

Twinny · #16 07-30-2007, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OMGosh

Are you kidding me? Excalibur was a good friend of mine, I applaud him for his efforts.

This explains so much...

You want Stefan to put a hold on a project with far more players just to make a game on a far inferior system just so people can play it when they can't get on the internet.

You say you want to reach a new market. How about they concentrate on the current market? It is far larger and mostly untapped. Developing the game to work well with a DS would waste time better spent on their current projects.

D4rKv310c1ty · #17 07-31-2007, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by OMGosh

Are you kidding me? Excalibur was a good friend of mine, I applaud him for his efforts.

You think that if Nintendo were to announce of this new adventure game that nobody would come play the real game? Be realistic, if Nintendo were to say they were coming out with an attachment for the DS that breaks your screens and prevents cancer, it would STILL sell more than anything Graal could try to sell.

Christ, now I know where you get the arrogance from...

His efforts? What to make Mac users more priviledged on his barely surviving playerworld? Chyeah, nice one there dimwit. His problem was mainly ignorance and that he lacked acceptance of other peoples choices. i.e. People chose the PC for specific reasons over the Mac. Maybe work purposes or development choices, i.e. Mac not having development tools and Windows does.

How about you be fair? Nintendo Vs Linux Cyberjouers, nice one..

It's no point LC approaching a new market they are not qualified in.

I remembered quite a good analogy once from a different thread that Graal in E3 would be like a pretzel at a cookie convention. Just shows that LC is truly not big enough or wealthy enough to create an offline DS RPG based on their current PC online version.

MysticX2X · #18 08-02-2007, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by OMGosh

Are you kidding me? Excalibur was a good friend of mine, I applaud him for his efforts.

Theres a guy on classic called *Excalibur guys. He isnt the excaliber7388 that darkvelocity was talking about.

MysticX2X · #19 07-27-2007, 09:47 PM

Why would they need to waste their time porting it to DS? If they could be using that time fixing v5, finishing graal 3d, etc.

If i was in any wireless zone, itd be my house and i could just play graal on my laptop.

OMGosh · #20 07-27-2007, 09:55 PM

Graal 3D was a failure. As I told you, and everyone else before, this is not to target already-playing players, it's to target non-players and get them to play.

Twinny · #21 07-27-2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OMGosh

Graal 3D was a failure. As I told you, and everyone else before, this is not to target already-playing players, it's to target non-players and get them to play.

Finishing the current projects and looking into advertising would also target non-players...probably alot more effectively.

UberModeKappa · #22 07-28-2007, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by OMGosh

Graal 3D was a failure. As I told you, and everyone else before, this is not to target already-playing players, it's to target non-players and get them to play.

You're coming off as a know-it-all (douche bag).

Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

MysticX2X · #23 07-28-2007, 08:45 AM

Why's secret still fighting the cause for this. Its already been stated it wont happen not to mention im not paying money to buy a supercard for the ds also not to mention they would prioritize any updates to graal or graal3d before porting it over to a sytem 5 people would use for a day.

Twinny · #24 07-28-2007, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MysticX2X

Why's secret still fighting the cause for this. Its already been stated it wont happen not to mention im not paying money to buy a supercard for the ds also not to mention they would prioritize any updates to graal or graal3d before porting it over to a sytem 5 people would use for a day.

He has a nice combination of ignorance and arrogance going

. Let Stefan finish his current projects before doing something stupid like Graal for DS.

D4rKv310c1ty · #25 07-29-2007, 11:37 PM

I just hope this is the last of these "multi-platform" threads because it does actually give me a headache.

Sheen_the_mage · #26 07-31-2007, 01:49 AM

If graal was on the ds....I'd use my AR DS >=D

D4rKv310c1ty · #27 07-31-2007, 03:13 AM

Oh yeah, I forgot something too...

NO.

KyleNicholson · #28 07-31-2007, 10:10 AM

Be nice if the top screen was like playerlist, options, and etc which you can get to by pressing select switching to the top screen. Bottom screen would be the server itself where you can tap another player to see their profile on the top screen. Except I don't know the speed of the game on a handheld like the DS sinced I used the Internet Browser and thats not the fastest thing.

D4rKv310c1ty · #29 07-31-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KyleNicholson

Be nice if the top screen was like playerlist, options, and etc which you can get to by pressing select switching to the top screen. Bottom screen would be the server itself where you can tap another player to see their profile on the top screen. Except I don't know the speed of the game on a handheld like the DS sinced I used the Internet Browser and thats not the fastest thing.

Sure, I could share my fantasies of what Graal could be like on the DS, but the fact that the DS is not powerful enough for it is an absoulute...

NO.

How many times do you want me to get that into your miniscule minds?

KyleNicholson · #30 07-31-2007, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by D4rKv310c1ty

Sure, I could share my fantasies of what Graal could be like on the DS, but the fact that the DS is not powerful enough for it is an absoulute...

NO.

How many times do you want me to get that into your miniscule minds?

I know that silly, just giving suggestions to those who still have hope in it.

kia345 · #31 07-31-2007, 04:33 PM

Don't give them suggestions, then they'll never shut up.

grawlgamer · #32 07-31-2007, 10:37 PM

Yeah this is the first time I've even bothered to come to this thread because I knew it wasn't possible..

Darklux · #33 08-02-2007, 09:30 AM

Stop the post, it has evolved into a spam post.

Even the homebrew ds-linux with a ultralight kernel breaks down if you have no ram extension.

Graal DS is possible, but wouldnt be compatible to current graal at all, as all those new technics would require too much ram.
Even a m3 with 32 mb ram cant cover that.

Yet a graal in the size and with the effects of a very early version could be possible, but stefan has better things to take care of, seriously.

comet · #34 08-02-2007, 08:55 PM

Make a poll.
kkthnxbai

D4rKv310c1ty · #35 08-03-2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by comet

Make a poll.
kkthnxbai

What help would that do, the pure logic of it is that the console just can't handle it.

NO.

HitmanJ2XX · #36 08-02-2007, 10:34 PM

Not trying to break rules or anything, (and this is relevant) but MapleStory has an NDS title coming out thats supposed to either A) be a DS only clone of the real game, or B) actually be able to sync to the original version.

haunter · #37 08-02-2007, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HitmanJ2XX

Not trying to break rules or anything, (and this is relevant) but MapleStory has an NDS title coming out thats supposed to either A) be a DS only clone of the real game, or B) actually be able to sync to the original version.

I'm 85 to 100% sure that I posted this already.

Anyway I'm still waiting on those pictures from Angel_Light.

UberModeKappa · #38 08-03-2007, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by haunter

Anyway I'm still waiting on those pictures from Angel_Light.

Ditto!

CABAL49 · #39 08-03-2007, 02:22 AM

Let it go, this thread hasn't been on topic for over 5 pages. Stefan said no, end of story.

haunter · #40 08-03-2007, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by CABAL49

Let it go, this thread hasn't been on topic for over 5 pages. Stefan said no, end of story.

He didn't say no. He said "it wouldn't be simple". He also posted this in another thread about a PSP version. (click the blue box in the quote to go to the thread)

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Originally Posted by Stefan

I think we will announce something for that soon

So clearly the idea of a version of Graal (whether it be a V5 port, or a whole new build; we don't know) is not dead in his mind.

Personally I think a portable version of Graal is possible. Thought probable I don't know.

But all that doesn't matter now. The most important thing in this thread is be catching a glimpse of that awesome one of a kind Wii.