Forum Manager?

[excaliber7388]

You provide them to easily.
Oh, and you ignored my post, you know the whole "unhappy customers" part.

[Crono]

Cali man just chill for a while. One thing I've learned over the year is to keep the arguments in an appropriate thread/time. You guys gotta realize when arguing with mods is going to be useful and when it's just going to be stupid and useless.

It's useful when you have a thread like before when Stefan or someone similar posts because then you can have some kind of debate or argument. But in a thread like this, Cali, it's just useless and annoying. Sides, I think we can agree that Moonie isn't really the main problem.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Cali man just chill for a while. One thing I've learned over the year is to keep the arguments in an appropriate thread/time. You guys gotta realize when arguing with mods is going to be useful and when it's just going to be stupid and useless.

It's useful when you have a thread like before when Stefan or someone similar posts because then you can have some kind of debate or argument. But in a thread like this, Cali, it's just useless and annoying. Sides, I think we can agree that Moonie isn't really the main problem.

I agree.

[excaliber7388]

Moonie isn't the source of the problem, no.
She doesn't need to be so strict, however.
And she does excise the power of the mods too much.
But the most blame lies with the guy who almost never posts...Unix

[Googi]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

She doesn't need to be so strict, however.

Stop using overly abstract terms like "strict". It doesn't matter how "strict" or not "strict" a moderator is. There are good moderations and there are bad moderations. What we want is to get rid of the bad moderations, nobody cares about some arbitrary measure like "strictness".

[Evenglare]

lol why does excaliber think hes a somebody on these boards

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Evenglare

lol why does excaliber think hes a somebody on these boards

LOL WHY DO YOU? caps

[Evenglare]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

LOL WHY DO YOU? caps

because i know what gender i am

[dude2020]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

If you don't you should.

Originally Posted by Evenglare

lol why does excaliber think hes a somebody on these boards

ok, really ima laugh at you both when this thread get's closed and we have 2 or more to blame... (i didn't read the rest of the thread...)

[Spark910]

I'm sure its already been said, but creating a new layer of authority, making communication even more complex isn't the way to fix problems people may see.

Lets face it, people have issues with set moderators for whatever reason, and those people are not going to be happy until they are gone. The idealistic idea of someone who overrules everything they do is unlikely to happen, as anyone put in such a position will have to co-operate with the moderators (and vice versa) and I'm pretty sure nothing much will change to satisfy those who are not currently satisfied.

[zell12]

My brotheren of thy sword, cease communication with darlene, you are not going to make any progress. Let's start on SAM.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Twinny

Why do you send any progress backwards?

Lol, you believe in progress with the admins

Originally Posted by Evenglare

because i know what gender i am

So do I, fool.

[Devil]

Just think about this, forum users.

Darlene and Sam have to quit/die/be fired some time.

[excaliber7388]

You're RIGHT!
I bet if we wait 60 years, everything about Graal will be different!

[Devil]

Considering Moonie doesn't have another 60 years left in her, and you need to stop riding Graal's balls alot Excal, you're putting too much time and effort into something people are going to forget about in a couple of days.

Go get a job or something.

[Tyhm]

You know what else'd be cool?

If the forum administrator could forward the more popular ideas to Stefan. So instead of hoping he sees one of the 99 mentions of his name on the forums, begging for this or that, he just says "Hey Moonie, any prayers for me today?" and she can be all "Well, Excal didn't have anything nice to say about you, your country, or your mother, but he did come up with a few ideas for mac development tools" and Stefan can be all "D'oh! I knew I forgot something! Tell him if he can make me the frontend for it and comment in what he wants the buttons to do I'll just translate over the PC version and get it finished when I can", and then, you know, stuff'll get done.

'cuz PMing takes forever. Seriously. I'm lucky if I get 1 response out of 10, never with a Read Receipt, and even then it takes a couple weeks to a month. If he's busy, the system should take that into account.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Devil

Considering Moonie doesn't have another 60 years left in her

How do you know? I could live to be 101. people have done it before.

Originally Posted by Tyhm

You know what else'd be cool?

If the forum administrator could forward the more popular ideas to Stefan. So instead of hoping he sees one of the 99 mentions of his name on the forums, begging for this or that, he just says "Hey Moonie, any prayers for me today?" and she can be all "Well, Excal didn't have anything nice to say about you, your country, or your mother, but he did come up with a few ideas for mac development tools" and Stefan can be all "D'oh! I knew I forgot something! Tell him if he can make me the frontend for it and comment in what he wants the buttons to do I'll just translate over the PC version and get it finished when I can", and then, you know, stuff'll get done.

'cuz PMing takes forever. Seriously. I'm lucky if I get 1 response out of 10, never with a Read Receipt, and even then it takes a couple weeks to a month. If he's busy, the system should take that into account.

Stefan reads that stuff. He spends a great deal of time looking in the future improvement section, tech support, etc....

[Devil]

Screw talking about the ideas, Graal won't put them up, or work on them, and that causes them a loss of money and wages. That's their problem.

If they actually listened to players, they would make more money. So essentially they're screwing themselves over.

[ViperZakuto]

i see there was only 3 people that agree with this thread. I have been in many discussions on these forums. Only one or two of the threads have been deleted.

instead of demanding how rules are inforced. why not read the rules and try not to break them? I didn't really have a hard time doing that.

You don't have to read it all word for word. Most of it is commen since.a lot of the rules are about having good "manners"
which it seems most people have lost these days.

Originally Posted by Sam

Yes, we are sitting at home and crying all the time, because we feel so hated...

lol at that, i had a good laugh. =D

[Infernix]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

i see there was only 3 people that agree with this thread. I have been in many discussions on these forums. Only one or two of the threads have been deleted.

instead of demanding how rules are inforced. why not read the rules and try not to break them? I didn't really have a hard time doing that.

You don't have to read it all word for word. Most of it is commen since.a lot of the rules are about having good "manners"
which it seems most people have lost these days.



lol at that, i had a good laugh. =D

Your 262 post show it for sure, maybe you should just check the first page of each section of the forums and look at the locks on the side.

[ViperZakuto]

Originally Posted by Infernix

Your 262 post show it for sure, maybe you should just check the first page of each section of the forums and look at the locks on the side.

ok... maybe people should be more "mature". I don't think i know any four year olds who play graal... but i know a lot of graalians who act like it.

Originally Posted by Devil

OH SORRY IF ONE OF THE MEMBERS WENT OFF OF TOPIC, THEY'D GET THE ASS FROM THE FORUMS.

But pooper and Darlene? Who is here to enforce the rules ON Darlene..

I don't see her breaking any rules. If unix thought she was doing a bad job. We wouldn't see her anymore. So therefore in the eyes of unix she is doing a good job. so i suggest you take this up with him.

[Infernix]

Originally Posted by ViperZakuto

ok... maybe people should be more "mature". I don't think i know any four year olds who play graal... but i know a lot of graalians who act like it.



I don't see her breaking any rules. If unix thought she was doing a bad job. We wouldn't see her anymore. So therefore in the eyes of unix she is doing a good job. so i suggest you take this up with him.

Just like people fight to change laws in every country for the right of man, the people on graal have the right to fight for a change in rules for the right of its players.

A lot of people didn't women to vote and I'm sure a lot of people said the same thing. "Just follow the law" Not the best example but hopefully you get the point. Call all these people immature just because they want a change if you want.

[Devil]

Your fear of where you live for one, stress can and will cause an early death, or the people breaking into your house going from a simple burg to a murder scene.

Anyway.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Devil

Your fear of where you live for one, stress can and will cause an early death, or the people breaking into your house going from a simple burg to a murder scene.

Anyway.

Pfft, it is like that everywhere, I definately don't stress over it. I live in a nice area compared to alot of places.

[pooper200000]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Pfft, it is like that everywhere, I definately don't stress over it. I live in a nice area compared to alot of places.

sometimes people enjoy going on long vacations from there home. you should look into that. Get a sewing hobby?

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by pooper200000

sometimes people enjoy going on long vacations from there home. you should look into that. Get a sewing hobby?

I am, this year sometime, probably in the summer, for a week or two, and I hate to sew.

[pooper200000]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I am, this year sometime, probably in the summer, for a week or two, and I hate to sew.

knit? eat? well you should because you look to skinny? baking? you can get rich off that. I hope you don't leave too long or else Ill have no one to argue with me. sam doesn't count because hes too good at arguing.

[Tyhm]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

How do you know? I could live to be 101. people have done it before.

Yeah, every day on the Today Show, Willard Scott wishes another bunch happy birthday. (Man, is Willard Scott still alive?)

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Stefan reads that stuff. He spends a great deal of time looking in the future improvement section, tech support, etc....

1) He's overworked as it is - but I'm not about to tell him how to spend his time, I'm not the boss of him.
2) He doesn't have the time to respond, thus his passage goes largely unmarked. Maybe if there was a feature for "This thread has been viewed 297867 times. This thread has been viewed by Stefan.", it'd help - we'd at least know he knows what we're talking about, and we can hope exactly as fervently that he thinks it's a good idea and will be in the next version.

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I am, this year sometime, probably in the summer, for a week or two, and I hate to sew.

You should, it's fun. I was thinking of making plush Graalians a few years ago. Easy enough once you get down the pattern - almost all the heads are just recolors and modifications of Fung Si Yan or Anime Girl or I Has A Helmet, and there are only so many body-files on the Classicstyle servers. Other servers is(are?) where it gets complicated.

[Devil]

OH SORRY IF ONE OF THE MEMBERS WENT OFF OF TOPIC, THEY'D GET THE ASS FROM THE FORUMS.

But pooper and Darlene? Who is here to enforce the rules ON Darlene..

[Devil]

Viper is just sucking up to administration.

Don't waste your time replying to him, because he won't take on board what you just said.

[GodCoder]

It seems to me there needs to be someone to moderate the moderators. From what I have seen they are doing a bad job. They have split the forums up.. yeh, that's really a good job.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by GodCoder

It seems to me there needs to be someone to moderate the moderators. From what I have seen they are doing a bad job. They have split the forums up.. yeh, that's really a good job.

New guy's pretty smart
Let's keep him.

[ZanderX]

Originally Posted by GodCoder

It seems to me there needs to be someone to moderate the moderators. From what I have seen they are doing a bad job. They have split the forums up.. yeh, that's really a good job.

So you want a moderator moderator?

Oh wait, you mean a super moderator. Oh wait, we have two of those. Someone to moderate the super moderators? Do you mean administrators? We have two of those two!

Someone to administrate the administrators? Why, gosh, we could call them super administrators! Or maybe just the owners.

[Tyhm]

Originally Posted by ZanderX

Or maybe just the owners.

That's the answer entirely too often. Any solution that ends with way more work for Stefan is no solution - it just ain't gonna happen. He's already maintaining all the official servers, coding Graal3D, making new stuff for Kingdoms, updating the engine, working on tools for the engine on multiple platforms...add to that And doublechecking everything Moonie does, and something's gotta give. I don't think he's gonna invest in an automatic pizza-feeding-arm just so he can keep focused on work even while he's eating.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by ZanderX

So you want a moderator moderator?

Oh wait, you mean a super moderator. Oh wait, we have two of those. Someone to moderate the super moderators? Do you mean administrators? We have two of those two!

Someone to administrate the administrators? Why, gosh, we could call them super administrators! Or maybe just the owners.

The suggestion seems to be (looking at the rest of the thread) that the person wouldn't actually do any moderating but would just handle appeals or something. Not that it makes the idea much less useless or anything.

[ZanderX]

Originally Posted by Googi

The suggestion seems to be (looking at the rest of the thread) that the person wouldn't actually do any moderating but would just handle appeals or something. Not that it makes the idea much less useless or anything.

I understand the concept, Googi baby; I see exactly what the suggestion is, I just don't see how it would help or make anything better. It would just be another hoop to jump through and another person who would sit there and be like "Yes, well, see..."

[Googi]

Originally Posted by ZanderX

I understand the concept, Googi baby; I see exactly what the suggestion is, I just don't see how it would help or make anything better. It would just be another hoop to jump through and another person who would sit there and be like "Yes, well, see..."

It's not about improving the system from a bureaucratic perspective for the proponents. They're just hoping that the job goes to someone who will, at the very least, overturn all special directive-style moderations. You probably knew that already, but you weren't saying it.

[excaliber7388]

No, someone to keep the mods in line, you know, doing stuff that's against the rules, or closing threads for unjust reasons.
Mods should be able to get infractions too

[ZanderX]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

No, someone to keep the mods in line, you know, doing stuff that's against the rules, or closing threads for unjust reasons.
Mods should be able to get infractions too

Sorry, no, not feeling it.

All you're trying to do is create an extra level of infrastructure and bureaucracy where it doesn't need to exist. You're using "mods" as a general term for every non-normal user of this message board and that does not apply at all as we have no less than four usergroups of varying stature and posting ability. You cannot say "We need someone to keep the mods in line." because you're including administrators in that and if you put someone in place to keep the administrators in line then what control do the administrators have?

The admins are there to keep the supermods in line, and the supermods are there to keep the mods in line. And by extension the mods are there to keep the users in line. There is no room for a fifth group.

Originally Posted by Tyhm

That's the answer entirely too often. Any solution that ends with way more work for Stefan is no solution - it just ain't gonna happen. He's already maintaining all the official servers, coding Graal3D, making new stuff for Kingdoms, updating the engine, working on tools for the engine on multiple platforms...add to that And doublechecking everything Moonie does, and something's gotta give. I don't think he's gonna invest in an automatic pizza-feeding-arm just so he can keep focused on work even while he's eating.

I don't disagree with you at all, my point is more that there is already way too much infrastructure going on here and adding another layer into it is just getting absurd. The upper administration (ie, people whose names are red and are actually part of the Admin usergroup) should be the final resort to what the players go to.

Note that I am not throwing my support behind anyone, I'm simply saying that the concept of a "Mod Manager" or a "Forum Manager" or a "Moderator Moderator" is absolutely dumb.

[Chandler]

Originally Posted by ZanderX

The upper administration (ie, people whose names are red and are actually part of the Admin usergroup) should be the final resort to what the players go to.

Note that I am not throwing my support behind anyone, I'm simply saying that the concept of a "Mod Manager" or a "Forum Manager" or a "Moderator Moderator" is absolutely dumb.

Couldn't have put it any better myself.