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Old 12-13-2006, 10:07 AM
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I upload material to a server and the server owner gets permission to use it, I found that a bit sad.
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Old 12-13-2006, 10:12 AM
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SO you complain about that now, when that's not the problem we are supposed to be having a discussion about?
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Old 12-13-2006, 01:20 PM
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While I do agree the management of the server should decide the majority of staffing policies, with guidelines, I can't see a situation where you would need more than 2 level 4 admins and more than 3 level 3 admins.
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Old 12-13-2006, 01:32 PM
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RC should ONLY be given to those who need it.

For example, FAQ and Events staff do not need RC as they are in-game positions only. Duties such as adding/fixing events are the NAT's and LAT's responsibility. Adding new FAQ/ET members, as well as any staff tools like "boots", should be done by the manager.
Yes! The rule I've been waiting for

By the way Houdini, I think Unholy Nation breaks every single rule you've just listed. Oh, that reminds me.. is placing a chat logger on a player that records every single thing they say allowed? If so, it shouldn't be as that is clearly over the line in terms of invading privacy.
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Old 12-13-2006, 01:37 PM
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Oh, that reminds me.. is placing a chat logger on a player that records every single thing they say allowed? If so, it shouldn't be as that is clearly over the line in terms of invading privacy.
I made a chat logger on N-Pulse for staff use. I'm hoping only high staff members can authorize it's use as it should only be used on suspects: not freely used and abused.
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Old 12-13-2006, 01:39 PM
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Chat loggers shouldn't be made to log EVERY single little thing a player says, that is invading privacy.
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Old 12-13-2006, 02:00 PM
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I really don't see a problem with a chat logger, because it is game chat which any player can see, or walk-in on.

A PM logger, which isn't currently possible, would be crossing the line; but, if there was a suspected trainer user online it would not be overly heinous to send their chat to RC, although it shouldn't be kept unless they did something bad.
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Old 12-13-2006, 02:40 PM
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The part where it says any files uploaded to the file manager belongs to graal online, apparrently the rule that the dudes made up cant really be enforced >.>
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Old 12-13-2006, 03:38 PM
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That rule is covered in the user agreement I believe, it's not really up for debate. Nobody has any other comments?
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Old 12-13-2006, 03:52 PM
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I got a question to this "Only RC for the people who need it." thingy. Can we also give RC to the people who dont need it for a period of time? So they can motivate some of the Devs to work more or something like that. Trust me, that worked before, and will work again :o
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Old 12-13-2006, 03:55 PM
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I got a question to this "Only RC for the people who need it." thingy. Can we also give RC to the people who dont need it for a period of time? So they can motivate some of the Devs to work more or something like that. Trust me, that worked before, and will work again :o
That should be the manager or dev chief's job.
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Old 12-13-2006, 04:03 PM
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The part where it says any files uploaded to the file manager belongs to graal online, apparrently the rule that the dudes made up cant really be enforced >.>
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Old 12-13-2006, 04:22 PM
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These are some things that I have to comment on, I pretty much agree with the rest.

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I doubt you would be able to successfuly shut down a UC server. I just can't see unixmad approving of that...

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Additionally, no inappropriate or copyrighted material should be uploaded.
Technically all the graphics players make are copyrighted, no? Also it should be "unapproved copyrighted material", what if someone gets permission to use a copyrighted image?

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Do not use content that has been uploaded elsewhere on Graal without the consent of both the creator and the manager of the original world.
What about edits of the content?

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All staff positions should be have an exclusive purpose. For example, you do not need someone to upload heads when the manager or graphics admin can do this.
I don't agree with this. I say let the managers run their servers their own way. Some methods will be more effective than others and don't think that it should be the PWA who decide this.

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Only managers should have level 4 RCs. The manager should be active to perform tasks that can't be done without level 4 rights. A second level 4 RC can be given to the highest positioned admin, but only if needed (e.g.: timezone conflicts).
Refer to above comment.

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No playerworld should have more than 3 level 4 RCs total. A third level 4 RC can be given to the Admin-Playerworld## or Admin-ClassicWorld account only.
Refer to above.

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No playerworld should have more than 3 level 3 RCs. For any task requiring level 3 rights a staff can ask a level 3 or 4 RC to do it.
Refer to above.

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Only managers are allowed to add RCs. The managers may also allow one other staff member to edit rights, if this person is trusted and their job role allows them such responsibility. E.g.: Assistant Manager
That's bull****. Refer to above.

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Staff should never PM or Mass Message offensive material. They should also not have offensive material in their profile.
No offensive material in profiles? I understand the PM and Mass Message but PROFILES? Give me a break.


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For example, FAQ and Events staff do not need RC as they are in-game positions only. Duties such as adding/fixing events are the NAT's and LAT's responsibility. Adding new FAQ/ET members, as well as any staff tools like "boots", should be done by the manager.
Refer to like 3 aboves.

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Any RC in the "staff=" server-option should be an active staff member. Honorary RCs are forbidden.
Refer to above.

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Guests who help with temporary problems or projects should not be left in the staff list, nor with any rights in their account as they are often used to attack a playerworld.
Refer to above. I was more of a "helper" on Valikorlia with a level 3.9 RC and in no occasion did I hax0r the playerworld, delete content, or do anything illegal. Not everyone is an idiot.

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Invisible and closed off playerworlds do not need staff such as FAQs or GPs and should not have any until they are visible. When they are visible as "Hosted" they should only have these staff if the playercount warrants it.
Refer to above.

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Only managers should have full rights RCs for security reasons.
Refer to above.

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Do not give out rights if they are not needed... If a staff member doesn’t use a right for their job, they don’t need the right.
Refer to above.

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All bans must be for a clear reason. You can not just ban someone because you dislike them.
Former PWA Malinko stated it is ok to ban someone on a UC server if they are "hindering development". This could be applied to any reason (Even a PM saying hi). Clarification?


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Because bans are often done for incorrect or wrong reasons only people with level 3 or 4 RCs should be allowed to ban. This means that 5 people (MAX) should be able to ban.
Refer to way above.

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If you link to your playerworlds website all content found within your website must fall within Graal's rules and there must be no offensive or illegal material. This includes links out of your website.
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Old 12-13-2006, 04:29 PM
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Is it imperative that all servers must use the same staff system and hierarchy?
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Old 12-13-2006, 07:55 PM
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Before I rip into this - good job on the rules (for the most part), particularly Reviving a Playerworld Project and the catchall disclaimer.

But-

1) Limiting the Level4 RCs, etcetera - this falls under Advice. It's a good idea to limit the number of people that could sabotage your world; the PWA reserves the right to refuse to fix things if you're dumb, but I don't think the PWA's got the time or energy to go around deleting servers in anticipation of that stupidity.
2) Maybe say not "All your files are belong to us", but rather "We will protect the copyright/intellectual property rights for your files as long as your server is hosted. If for whatever reason your server is no longer using said files, they become fair use for whatever other Graal server chooses to use them." Something like that, put a positive spin on saying the same thing.
3) Live Updates - it's gonna happen, and it's just fuzzy enough to cause problems. I'd suggest "If you update a level with players in it, you are responsible for solving any conflicts arising from that - pulling players out of walls, etc. - before logging off." Which is not to say the players that logged off there are any safer...
4) Nitpicking: "And if they are not followed some corrective actions include:"

Really, my only big gripes with it are that the same issues I have had, I still have - "It's my playerworld, I paid for it, I do what I want" vs "I paid $100 to GIVE Unixmad a server?". But perhaps that's beyond the pale.
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