Mac dev tools

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Also much more expensive and doesnt have graal dev tools LOL

Would you look into things before you say it?
I've upgrading to a Mac with a faster processor, for the same price I got my dell at. Macs are cheaper if you add all the things they come with into the equasion. And it's not my fault they haven't prioritized right.

I usually dont have much but its because no one BOTHERS WITH MAC (since it sux)

No, cookies, spyware, that works on Mac, as do some viruses, but a Unix based OS with built in virus protection makes it much harder to make a virus for a Mac. All this **** about it sucking, yet you have no evidence, I shoot down everything you say with actual facts. Do some research.

Who cares? XP is doing what I want it to

And, XP sucks, it crashes, virus prone, and expensive.

i dont care it doesnt have two fingers stock on all macs i win

What are you talking about? The mighty mouse is a 5 button mouse. Did your PC come with one?

I'd like to see you benchmark 3dmark05 on a mac

I couldn't do it on my pc either.
Do it on a Mac Pro

My PC came with a two finger mouse, lots of software to choose from, and was probably much cheaper than yor mac.

My PC was $1500, my Mac is the same, but with a faster, more advanced processor. btw, all Macs now come with right click, either with the trackpad, or a 5 button, touch sensitive, bluetooth mighty mouse,

Well no one really wants to run the Mac OS anyway

Only the ignorant ones.

I'm probably gonna get an infraction + week ban but that is the most ****ing stupid point you ever made in the history of mac vs windows

I'd like to see your PC be able to run any OS out there. Schools are now getting Macs because the Mac OS is gaining market share and it will be important to know it. Plus, they have Xp on them so people can slowly switch over.

i've never crashed due to driver issues

Then maybe you haven't looked that deep into why your pC crashes so much.
Mine just froze while waking up.

Cali you couldn't pwn a fly if you tried. I win

You lose. Simply because you refuse to do research, or use logic.

AND ON THE SUBJECT OF GRAAL DEVELOPMENT TOOLS i want that level editor update

also would be nice for gs2 support :[

We agree on this!

[Crono]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Would you look into things before you say it?
I've upgrading to a Mac with a faster processor, for the same price I got my dell at. Macs are cheaper if you add all the things they come with into the equasion. And it's not my fault they haven't prioritized right.

How much was your computer

No, cookies, spyware, that works on Mac, as do some viruses, but a Unix based OS with built in virus protection makes it much harder to make a virus for a Mac. All this **** about it sucking, yet you have no evidence, I shoot down everything you say with actual facts. Do some research.

actually it's because no one cares enough to make big viruses for macs since hardly anyone uses macs to begin with

And, XP sucks, it crashes, virus prone, and expensive.

never crashes for me, i've never had a virus since 2002 when i was using windows ME, and no comment

What are you talking about? The mighty mouse is a 5 button mouse. Did your PC come with one?

Well I bought my PC part by part so I got an MX510 which has like 5 buttons and a kind of "alt tab" thing + up and down buttons which could probably be assigned something.

I couldn't do it on my pc either.
Do it on a Mac Pro

no you

My PC was $1500, my Mac is the same, but with a faster, more advanced processor. btw, all Macs now come with right click, either with the trackpad, or a 5 button, touch sensitive, bluetooth mighty mouse,

OMG MAC COPIED PC OMG OMG U THIEVES

Only the ignorant ones.

w/e

I'd like to see your PC be able to run any OS out there. Schools are now getting Macs because the Mac OS is gaining market share and it will be important to know it. Plus, they have Xp on them so people can slowly switch over.

last time i used a mac in school was an iMAC in sixth grade, im pretty damn sure there was a reason i haven't touched one since

Then maybe you haven't looked that deep into why your pC crashes so much.
Mine just froze while waking up.

my pc doesnt crash, unless of course i try to bump my GFX card core past it's limit

You lose. Simply because you refuse to do research, or use logic.

i clearly won

We agree on this!

WELL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPER TOOLS BUT JUST SO HAPPEN TO DISCUSS WHY MACS SUCK BEFOREHAND

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Gerami

How much was your computer

$1,500 both ways, Mac is a better computer
[QUOTE
actually it's because no one cares enough to make big viruses for macs since hardly anyone uses macs to begin with
[/QUOTE]
Doesn't matter, Macs have built in security, it'd be pointless to try

never crashes for me, i've never had a virus since 2002 when i was using windows ME, and no comment

riiiiiight

Well I bought my PC part by part so I got an MX510 which has like 5 buttons and a kind of "alt tab" thing + up and down buttons which could probably be assigned something.

So you bought it separately

no you

Not going to put out that much money

OMG MAC COPIED PC OMG OMG U THIEVES

What?!?! Other way, fool. Look at Vista.

w/e

last time i used a mac in school was an iMAC in sixth grade, im pretty damn sure there was a reason i haven't touched one since

Because you used an old computer?
An old OS?
Most schools are using the same old macs they've had for 10 years because they still work

my pc doesnt crash, unless of course i try to bump my GFX card core past it's limit

Yeah, because I don't use a PC, so I'll take your advice

i clearly won

Lol, ignorance is bliss

WELL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPER TOOLS BUT JUST SO HAPPEN TO DISCUSS WHY MACS SUCK BEFOREHAND

PS's suck, Macs can do everything PCs can do, only better. PCs are obsolete.
Speaking of obsolete, so is the graal editor!

[Crono]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

$1,500 both ways, Mac is a better computer

I'm pretty sure my computer scores much higher than yours on gaming benchmarks and it also costs less.

Doesn't matter, Macs have built in security, it'd be pointless to try

atleast half of your sentence was right (it'd be pointless to try)

So you bought it separately

Separately from what? I put my PC together, i had no mouse to begin with.

What?!?! Other way, fool. Look at Vista.

I'm using your same stupid argument.

Because you used an old computer?
An old OS?
Most schools are using the same old macs they've had for 10 years because they still work

No, because they sucked and so they ended up just going with PC's.

Yeah, because I don't use a PC, so I'll take your advice

You talk about crashing yet mine never crashes.

Lol, ignorance is bliss

u los

PS's suck, Macs can do everything PCs can do, only better. PCs are obsolete.
Speaking of obsolete, so is the graal editor!

LOL thats why the majority of the world uses PC's, thats why university courses are typically using PC's, and thats why you mainly only find windows software and not mac ones. [nerdon]Go crazy when a mac hits 6000 in 3dmark05 *****[/nerdon].

[Darlene159]

Lol, why argue which is better? Different people like/prefer different things.
I personally am quite happy with my Windows XP. Never have had a bit of problems with it.
It's all about personal choice is all.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Lol, why argue which is better? Different people like/prefer different things.
I personally am quite happy with my Windows XP. Never have had a bit of problems with it.
It's all about personal choice is all.

I'm just defending PC and taking some offensive >_>

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Gerami

I'm just defending PC and taking some offensive >_>

You can argue which is better for 50 pages, and it will not change excalibers preference, just like he wont change your preference.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

You can argue which is better for 50 pages, and it will not change excalibers preference, just like he wont change your preference.

Well he says windows/pc's suck and how they are inferior and such when pc/windows is the standard of the world, universities use it, and software is mainly made for windows.

oh and macs can't game for ****.

[Polo]

At my university I use both Windows and OSX, as well as Windows on a frequent basis.

Neither is really better, they are just different, and in the end it all boils down to personal preference. I Personally I find the OSX interface a little unintuitive in places, though I'm sure I'd adjust given time.

Both operating systems are just as susceptible to virus', but as they and other malware are generally written to hit as many computers as possible, they are almost exclusively written for Windows. I've noticed a few recent OSX exploits though, as Apple has started increased their market share. It's just as easy to write malicious software for both platforms. The idea that Windows is virus or spyware prone is generally down to 2 factors - it's market share and the users ignorance. I know plenty of Windows users who think clicking on links for 'FREE EMOTICONS - NOW WITH SOUND!' is a good idea.

My Windows PC has only crashed twice in 3 years, and both of those times we're my own fault (some very unsafe C code, heh). XP actually does a pretty good job of trapping errors.


As an aside, I recently ordered a Macbook (it's in shipping as I type). I didn't make this decision because I think OSX is superior, rather I was able to get a decent discount on the price by being a student which made it the cheapest alternative, and I also have plans to do some cross platform development in the near future.

Now stop arguing. Neither system is better, they just cater for different tastes. That's my 2 pennies.

To bring us back on topic... I might have a go at writing a simple (cross platform) level editor over Christmas, depending how much free time I have.

[zell12]

If there were more people with MACs, there would be more viruses created for them. Right now, it's worth the time it takes to make them to attack PCs; there are a hell of a lot more PCs compared to MACs.


You probably have never built your own PC; you said you owned a Dell. That's the problem right there. You can "customize" your own PC with thousands of different parts, etc. There is something always comming out thats better then the last, so it's also hard to catch up.


From my small expierence with MACs (Only used it for Video Editing in HighSchool), it crashed... a lot. Was using some good software and hardware too. Think it had OSX and ATI cards, one of the more expensive ones.


Anyway, I don't pefer PC over MAC, they are both good for their seperate tasks they excell at. I'd rather use linux over them all, but even still, I use Windows to run games (like this, WoW, CS, etc.)

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Gerami

I'm pretty sure my computer scores much higher than yours on gaming benchmarks and it also costs less.

Can you carry yours in a back pack to your classes?

atleast half of your sentence was right (it'd be pointless to try)

Separately from what? I put my PC together, i had no mouse to begin with.

I know, therefore it didn't come with the mouse (it was a joke).

I'm using your same stupid argument.

Apple had command click for the longest time, but they have offered support for a 2 button mouse for a long time. It's not even a big deal.

No, because they sucked and so they ended up just going with PC's.

Which they replace every few years. Macs don't need that.

You talk about crashing yet mine never crashes.

You're lying, it's that simple. If you're running windows, you see the blue screen of death (or nothing) or you press ctrl, alt, del, all the time.

LOL thats why the majority of the world uses PC's, thats why university courses are typically using PC's, and thats why you mainly only find windows software and not mac ones. [nerdon]Go crazy when a mac hits 6000 in 3dmark05 *****[/nerdon].

Mac is gaining Market share.
Also, the world in general doesn't know much (at all) about computers. Most people use it for email, games, and the internet. That's it.

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Lol, why argue which is better? Different people like/prefer different things.
I personally am quite happy with my Windows XP. Never have had a bit of problems with it.
It's all about personal choice is all.

You've had more problems than you would have with a Mac.

Originally Posted by Darlene159

You can argue which is better for 50 pages, and it will not change excalibers preference, just like he wont change your preference.

Of course not, he's afraid of change


Mac dev tools!

[Polo]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Can you carry yours in a back pack to your classes?

I've seen much smaller laptops than Apples current lineup. I've seen larger too. I don't really see what point you're trying to make here.

You're lying, it's that simple. If you're running windows, you see the blue screen of death (or nothing) or you press ctrl, alt, del, all the time.

No-one here is lying. Your persistent and false claims that all Windows based PC's crash every 5 minutes is the kind of zealot like attitude that has given Mac users the reputation they so despise. Yes some PC's crash, but generally XP' trapping of errors allows it to gracefully terminate the wayward application without disrupting others. So called blue screens of death are extremely rare these days. Somewhat funnily, the only thing which misbehaves at all on my Windows system is the Quicktime plugin for Firefox, which happens to be an Apple product (this is a known bug, if your wondering).

As a further counter example to your point, I only need to draw your attention to the recent RSS (Random Shutdown Syndrome) on the earlier Macbooks to demonstrate how frequent crashes can happen to anyone.

You've had more problems than you would have with a Mac.

Again, simply untrue. Most problems are caused by users being somewhat ignorant and clicking on unscrupulous adverts.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Polo

I've seen much smaller laptops than Apples current lineup. I've seen larger too. I don't really see what point you're trying to make here.

The computer he's reffering to is a desktop

No-one here is lying. Your persistent and false claims that all Windows based PC's crash every 5 minutes is the kind of zealot like attitude that has given Mac users the reputation they so despise.

Where did I say every 5 mins?
About once a day if you're working pretty hard on it

Yes some PC's crash, but generally XP' trapping of errors allows it to gracefully terminate the wayward application without disrupting others.

Normally yes, however, im my few months of owning this comp, I've looked at the pretty BSoD a few times

So called blue screens of death are extremely rare these days. Somewhat funnily, the only thing which misbehaves at all on my Windows system is the Quicktime plugin for Firefox, which happens to be an Apple product (this is a known bug, if your wondering).

I've seen it when I have an error with a driver. It's either my Logitech webcam, or my game pad. I once came back from the gym to find the freakin BSoD when I opened the lid. It never went to sleep and was pretty hot.

As a further counter example to your point, I only need to draw your attention to the recent RSS (Random Shutdown Syndrome) on the earlier Macbooks to demonstrate how frequent crashes can happen to anyone.

I believe an update fixed that.
It may have been related to the heat problems, but the Macbook didn't have that as bad. The MBP did.

Again, simply untrue. Most problems are caused by users being somewhat ignorant and clicking on unscrupulous adverts.

No, just no.
I haven't had any problem with viruses, mainly because I'm smart about it.
Although spyware is 'fun'.
And the fact that I do have to scan every now and then. It's slow, and it takes up time. You're guaranteed to have less time wasted if you're using a Mac.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

You're lying, it's that simple. If you're running windows, you see the blue screen of death (or nothing) or you press ctrl, alt, del, all the time.

I suppose I would be lying to if I said My computer hasn't crashed since I have been using XP...no blue screen, no pressing ctrl, alt, and delete, or anything, ever...I have been using it for a good while now, and love it.
You can have your own preferences, but you shouldn't call someone a liar when you don't agree with them.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I suppose I would be lying to if I said My computer hasn't crashed since I have been using XP...no blue screen, no pressing ctrl, alt, and delete, or anything, ever...I have been using it for a good while now, and love it.
You can have your own preferences, but you shouldn't call someone a liar when you don't agree with them.

It's not that I'm calling him a liar because I don't agree with him. It's that your comp probably freezes so much, that you've gotten used to it.
There's not way you can use xp without pressing ctrl alt delete at least once a week.