Why are inactive playerworlds on classic list?

[LOA--Paul]

Originally Posted by ApothiX

What the hell are you talking about? Read the post before you reply. I was talking about Shaded Legend being on the classic TAB.

Thought you were saying saying both SL and Classic, as you said "on the classic server"

Classic server = "Classic" in most people's usage.

[Loakey_P2P]

the fact about sl is that over all the year's the help on sl has been , shall we just say lacking . sl has been overlooked by all high up's in the graal staff (no offence) but the global help sl has recivied in the five year's it has been up is 0 . and the time's sl has asked for help has been in the hundred's . beside's that the player's would rather sit on the forum's and complain rather then lend their skill's to put sl back where it was . after this great g4 and gs2 conversion sl ran just fine , everything worked as it had for year's and in one day the entire server was turned upside down . since then we have had countless (supposive nat's) look at story line script's and npc's and nothing had improved . even after they assured us they had fixed the problem yet when you go throu the quest's the bosses are buggy and script's are not functioning . and the server has only been in the development process for a month , possable two . which isnt a whole lot of time to rescript every npc organize all the images and gani's and rebuild the ow , class all npc's throu out the ow . prhap's people dont understand what a long hard process it is to completlly redo a server from the ground up but let me just say . ROME WASNT BUILT IN A DAY ! . now with that said can we not expect a whole complete server remade overnight . also understand that we , the current and past manager's of shaded legend's are not twelve year old's with nothing more to do then go to school . we are all of age , which mean's we work for a living . i myself put in anywhere from 9 to 13 hour's a day . and that's not includeing driveing an hour or two there and an hour or two back . the basic point of this is that before all the old staff who left on bad term's complain about the current state of the server , remmber we are here when we can and do what we can . people can easylly sit and complain about what they see , but what they can't do is try to imagine what they can't see and before they complain that sl is the worst server couse it has no player count , check the number of people on graal every once in a while . couse it's usally around 700 or less . i havent seen a thousand player count on graal since two or three year's ago . and right at this time the highest player count is 160 on un . 133 under that and one fifty player count , every other one is under that . only twelve playerworld's have a player count over ten . and being 138 playerworld's this isnt a very good player count . and dont give me the time of day bs . this is how graal has looked for year's . it's bad enough we have to deal with such noobish junk on our own forum's but here is way to far . notice there is only two or three people posting here outside the pwa's . it's amazeing they would make such a big decision from just a couple people without talking to other player's or the staff of the server even . i talked abit to vulcan but it was by pure fricken luck i even knew couse i signed on to check one thing when one of my staff alerted me to sl being removed . but forget it , if you people want to sit and complain couse YOU dont see any changes . even tho we have been posting for month's about the dev process and it all being kept from the public's eye but they still sit and complain nothing is changing . then fine , we can solve this problem real easy , if people want to sit and complain all day and do nothing to help . then just dont come to sl , actually we'd be alot better off as we might spend time getting some work done rather then answering the same stupid question's day in and day out about information they wont get . im gona say this one more time (even tho ive said it like four hundred times) all the work , progress and dev process is being kept on a seperate developement server , in lock down (meaning no one but staff can go there) and no one will be told what is going on , not even most of the staff know as only a handfull are working on it . so stop asking/talking about not seeing any work being done couse that is what we want . once we get sl back to running standard's we may release some new stuff , or we may wait till it's 100% done and then release it . but no matter what , you wont get an answer on what we are doing untill we are ready to release it .

[Lord Sephiroth]

I ... couldn't read that ... if I tried...

[Maniaman]

Loakey_P2P: split that into paragraphs please.

[LOA--Paul]

He makes some good points in there. Not reading it because it's not spaced is fairly dumb.

[ApothiX]

Originally Posted by LOA--Paul

Thought you were saying saying both SL and Classic, as you said "on the classic server"

Classic server = "Classic" in most people's usage.

By "on the Classic server" I meant as opposed to their development server. Sorry about the confusion, I actually forgot there was a server named 'Classic' <_<

Originally Posted by James205

Why was I not contacted by a PWA about the removal from the classic list?

I heard NOTHING about this until now. I don't give a crap if someone posts a thread at GCC, if they have intentions to remove SL they need to contact me about it on why. I don't want "Because Crono's said so." because that is ridiculous.

I agree with a lot you guys said but now I am pissed because I was not contacted properly.

The reason was not 'because crono said so', it was because it was highly inactive. This thread just brought it to the attention of the PWA. If the manager of the server is just now noticing that it got removed, then that may be a reason why you were not contacted.

[Lyndzey]

Originally Posted by James205

Why was I not contacted by a PWA about the removal from the classic list?

I heard NOTHING about this until now. I don't give a crap if someone posts a thread at GCC, if they have intentions to remove SL they need to contact me about it on why. I don't want "Because Crono's said so." because that is ridiculous.

I agree with a lot you guys said but now I am pissed because I was not contacted properly.

Loakey was listed as the Manager of SL in the server options, so Vulcan talked to him about it being put on the invisible list. None of us were aware that you were still working on the server.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Malinko

Other **** + I'm sure if Stefan wanted that to be Hosted or even Classic, it would be there now too, correct? Heh, I don't know, nor will I even comment, because to be honest, I'm not a prick who thinks I own this game. Now once again, be original, please.

Do you even read what you post half the time I swear you are one of the most incoherant people I have ever met in my entire life, online or off. Maybe you would like to go back to that Goodbye thread I posted and read some of the things you have written.

You act like you are so far up Stefans ass you wouldnt be able to tell where you end and he begins.

I dont understand how people like you manage to stay on top for so long. Maybe its because you conform to the redicilous things they do themselves, or maybe its just because you are plain stupid yourself.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by James205

Why was I not contacted by a PWA about the removal from the classic list?

Osnaps :[

I heard NOTHING about this until now. I don't give a crap if someone posts a thread at GCC, if they have intentions to remove SL they need to contact me about it on why.

I thought they did.

I don't want "Because Crono's said so." because that is ridiculous.

Man I am GOD. How can you say that answer is not acceptable :'[?

I agree with a lot you guys said but now I am pissed because I was not contacted properly.

But isn't it hidden now?

Loakey_P2P's unspaced paragraph of doom

I don't care what he hell's been happening, SL is dead and has been for many years. It just keeps re-releasing, has maybe 100 players for that day, and it dies faster than the server's NPC server.

[Infernix]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

Do you even read what you post half the time I swear you are one of the most incoherant people I have ever met in my entire life, online or off. Maybe you would like to go back to that Goodbye thread I posted and read some of the things you have written.

You act like you are so far up Stefans ass you wouldnt be able to tell where you end and he begins.

I dont understand how people like you manage to stay on top for so long. Maybe its because you conform to the redicilous things they do themselves, or maybe its just because you are plain stupid yourself.

Minipulating the minds of most graal players is very simple.

[James205]

Originally Posted by ApothiX

The reason was not 'because crono said so', it was because it was highly inactive. This thread just brought it to the attention of the PWA. If the manager of the server is just now noticing that it got removed, then that may be a reason why you were not contacted.

Okay listen buddy.

1. You never go on SL and you are not a part of SL and you don't know if it's active or not.

2. I am also a manager of SL and I have access to debug, private forums and have continually complained to staff about certain situations related to SL. In the PWAs eyes they should know who is manager and this already shows how unprofessional acts are taken in certain conditions like this.

3. I just noticed it got removed because I got back from vacation. Meaning I had no internet access to come here and see someone complain and BOOM removed. How ironic?

Originally Posted by Gerami

Osnaps :[



I thought they did.



Man I am GOD. How can you say that answer is not acceptable :'[?



But isn't it hidden now?



I don't care what he hell's been happening, SL is dead and has been for many years. It just keeps re-releasing, has maybe 100 players for that day, and it dies faster than the server's NPC server.

The last part of your post was completely an opinion and exaggeration on every single part.

To say SL is dead is completely wrong. Loakey puts in so much time into the server (especially lately). Also for 're-releasing' the last time we were released to the public was in 2004... that was 2 years ago. After that so many servers have be re-released and gets an whopping 20 players. I don't know why you even tried to say SL just keeps releasing itself over and over and over because that is completely false.

The point here is I was not contacted at all and this act was obviously pulled because of your stupid thread pointing your finger at "inactive" playerworlds. Not only was your post just a simple opinion and pointing out the obvious and somehow twisting it to make it seem like all SL staff do is sit on their ass and watch our beautiful 0 playercount remain but it was completely unresearched.

Why all of a sudden do globals feel compelled to remove SL? Was it truly inspired by this thread?

Now SL is 'hidden'... what the hell does that mean? Since the PWA rules don't state what exactly happens when a playerworld is removed because of a player complaining on the GCC and is put on hidden... does it mean we have to resubmit? With that said, the current SL already meets the requirements for the classic tab and was successfully put on the list. In no way did SLs staff completely abandon the server... So what do we have to do now?

We sit and wait... resubmit... and it gets put up? We don't know what we have to do anymore. Might as well make a rule that states "If your playerworld meets the requirements but people complain on the GCC about it being inactive even though staff are still developing... then you will be removed."

Thanks to the brilliant staff who was influenced to do this and not taking anything into consideration but to simply seem like a meer hero. Even if it was Stefan, this was not a good time for this.

How about more people put more time into the GOLD tab and the falling current overall player count of graal.

SL was not hurting anything, we had our plans.

[Crono]

So tell me, when was the last time SL had a stable playerbase above 5?

Keyword stable.

[ApothiX]

Originally Posted by James205

Okay listen buddy.

1. You never go on SL and you are not a part of SL and you don't know if it's active or not.

You don't have to be a part of the community to hit f8 and see no one on the server.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by ApothiX

You don't have to be a part of the community to hit f8 and see no one on the server.

You just keep poopin up these awesome comments, don't you?

[D4rKv310c1ty]

Originally Posted by Gerami

People get to keep those npcs until we go public. They've been there for like half a year.

And I see the server to be pretty un-organised, anyway.
I also don't understand why a new gmap is made one after the other all the time. And the server was promised classic about a year ago. Still not listed, even though it's actually a Classic server? o.o