Spellcasting improvements

[GryffonDurime]

Originally Posted by Stefan

some people also said they like that they can much easier target objects now, like healing friends by pressing a hotkey instead of opening the spell menu and dragging an icon onto them.

Unless they neglect their mouse and accidentally heal someone else.

Moving the mouse just for directions is EVERYBIT as bad as the (wholly simple) process of dragging an icon.

[MasterNuke]

But people who DON'T want to cast in a direction are casting in a direction involuntarily and possibly accidently healing their enemies. It'd be much better if you make it so if you hold A while casting, it targets to the mouse cursor, instead of how it is now. As it is now, it bothers spellcasters AND everyone else. Sure it may be easier to target things, but it's much much harder to not target anything.

[myth-simba]

If theyare unable to enjoy the update maybe add another option?
type a command or something and allow the player to decide. will spells be casted as they werew before or from their mouse.
it will be better if they can chose then all players be happy with their own methods of magic casting.

[Draenin]

Right-click aiming would work just as well, and eliminate the need to drag an icon.

[Waltz5]

Originally Posted by MasterNuke

It'd be much better if you make it so if you hold A while casting, it targets to the mouse cursor, instead of how it is now.

I agree. This way what they implemented doesn't go totally to waste and can still be used.

[Admins]

Well the question was just if it should be disabled for now,
later we can add an option to disable it although I doubt many people will try to use the spells without targetting them.
Also it is planned to display the current target.

[Draenin]

Disable it and work on an optional aiming system that doesn't involve opening up the menu and dragging the spell to aim your current spell at something.

[Admins]

Originally Posted by Draenin

Disable it and work on an optional aiming system that doesn't involve opening up the menu and dragging the spell to aim your current spell at something.

That's called hotkeys

[Draenin]

Hotkeys don't allow you to aim, though. You fire straight forward when using them. (And please don't make that the option for aiming, either.)

[ReBorn_Spirit]

I have a better idea, why dont we just make it so when you HOLD the key "A" down you can "Aim" with it... using your mouse, and then by default shoot straight ahead. I say "Aim" because it generally works only 40% of the time for me, but thats usually because of my screen resolution being at 1600*1200. Just something about Graal that despises my screen resolution.


This could prove to be good for both old and new users. To leave the default spell hotkey attack the way they used to be, and add in the ability to cast to the mouse if you hold a key down.

And the effect of the shield cancles the spell doesn't help some either. Generally the shield is used to slow down players with high speed. The flip side of this coin is, mages are not meant to be fast.

[Admins]

May be you should actually try the thing before posting x-x
Spells on hotkeys fire to the mouse position. Also it is easier to target objects now, the mouse doesn't need to be exactly above the object. Targeting with the mouse needs to be the default way of aiming since (most) spells don't make sense without aiming. If you have a good idea for using the old way of casting without making the new way rubish then please say

[Draenin]

The new way is not complete rubbish. It just needs fine-tuning.

[MasterNuke]

... *resists violence*...
You are not understanding my point! A good number of spells and prayers are commonly casted on self. In many situations, others may be around. Having the new casting method is an INCONVINIENCE because even if you press A to cancel targeting, YOU ARE STILL GOING TO FACE THE DIRECTION OF THE MOUSE CURSOR, THUS POSSIBLY CASTING CERTAIN SPELLS ON THE WRONG TARGETS. When it concerns certain spells, you don't get a second chance and such clumsy casting can result in DEATH.
You are also not understanding that IT REQUIRES MORE THAN NORMAL COORDINATION to manuver, move the mouse to the target, and hit the cast button all at the same time. For oldbies of Graal, this would mean breaking a several year habit of using the ASD+arrow keys. It may have looked good in testing, but in real use, it is HORRIBLE.

Being a good spellcaster and a good sitting duck are two different things. If you can't tell the difference, get someone else to work on the spell system.

[Admins]

Well MasterNuke if you don't understand then just wait until the new spell things are completely done. I have asked if the new targeting system should temporary be disabled but no one has replied to that. And if you don't have ideas about how to change the mouse targetting without making it rubbish then I cannot help.

[Waltz5]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Well MasterNuke if you don't understand then just wait until the new spell things are completely done. I have asked if the new targeting system should temporary be disabled but no one has replied to that. And if you don't have ideas about how to change the mouse targetting without making it rubbish then I cannot help.

Why implement something if it's not done completely? By your words we're getting a false impression of the system because it's not fully done. Whose fault is that?

Disable it until the whole new system is done.

He already gave you an idea:

Originally Posted by MasterNuke

It'd be much better if you make it so if you hold A while casting, it targets to the mouse cursor, instead of how it is now.

Your reasoning of "Targeting with the mouse needs to be the default way of aiming since (most) spells don't make sense without aiming." makes little sense to me. The most common spells in my opinion are used without aiming (Restoration, Summon Avatar, Lightning, Icestorm). Bullet and cause wounds are the only major ones that will use targeting.

And think of it this way, is it easier to have targeting from the start or have targeting as an option? The players have told you it's easier to have it as an option.