Warning about graalians.com - Page 3

osrs · #1 11-09-2005, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

I was referring to how the "hacking" had already stopped. Not that it makes a difference since that thread was made three hours before your post.

I would not call his actions such a 'hacking action'; hackers do more than just steal a few accounts in a game just to please their egos. He is a lammer.
What I have tried to say is that they should really punish actions like this, instead of simple apply a global ban or so, but then; I am not sure if just a simple ban happened. If they are doing more than that,good ! I doubt any idiot will try to do the same next time.

PrinceDark · #2 11-09-2005, 10:40 AM

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oh well time for him to realize he commited a felony and is probably going to go to jail, because in cases like this the internet is some serious business!

I doubt he would go to jail. Not in the US as a first time offender. Realistically he would get 6mo - 1yr probation with community service, fines and court costs. Plus I think Velox/Rance Vicious or whatever name he uses is Canadian so the laws will vary.

What I don't understand about that list Googi posted is that he takes credit for some accounts that belong to him like Rance_P2P and Termina_Owner. Is he trying to make himself look cool by upping the count of compromised accounts by adding some of his own?

If my account and stuff was compromized I would have smacked myself.

OasaTor_PK · #3 11-08-2005, 05:01 AM

What happens if Velox is a foreigner, and they dont have rules there!

It could happen.

busyrobot · #4 11-08-2005, 05:17 AM

I think it would be prudent to add a security check at log in, that ran on the server. Basically, if one IP and/or client app ID logs in to 3 or more accounts within a short interval, the server would scan the three accessed accounts for that IP in their log histories. If the IP is new, then it should email staff of a possible abuse. It wouldn't have taken staff very long to realize the activity (going from many to no items in short time of play) was more than a little suspicious.

Also, it should be very easy for the server to recognize when one IP address is attempting and failing to log into multiple different accounts. That should be an easy red flag to raise.

It is not really graal's responsibility - graal security verified the correct account/passwords afterall, and safeguarding the password is the user's responsibility - but it would be a nice added level of security, and discourage people from attempting phishing in the future.

Googi · #5 11-08-2005, 05:46 AM

The problem here wasn't that the staff didn't find out about it. The problem was realized pretty quickly.

Galdor · #6 11-08-2005, 01:42 PM

the perfect graal crime

contego · #7 11-09-2005, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Galdor

the perfect graal crime

0_o

loss of money...

loss of trust...

loss of pride...

loss ...

you still so sure about that?

syltburk · #8 11-08-2005, 04:37 PM

Well planed mission, but the bad boyz always get caught cept me .

Aknts · #9 11-08-2005, 07:39 PM

All you people saying what Velox did was cool, smart and such might get banned for saying so.

Tipps · #10 11-08-2005, 07:46 PM

Umm, I highly doubt anyone is going to get banned for saying that hacking is cool -,-

Zero Hour · #11 11-08-2005, 10:05 PM

What a vile and selfish act from something that seemed so selfless.

Polo · #12 11-09-2005, 01:25 PM

Harsh stuff indeed. I hope everyone affected in this gets sorted out quickly.

Magadal · #13 11-09-2005, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

It seems he was using graalians.com to get the emails and passwords of people (people often use similar passwords for their email account).

NPC Code:



Magadal          | 2005-10-21 10:36:19 | 2005-11-05 17:37:16

I didnt even know this page ;D.

WanDaMan · #14 11-09-2005, 06:46 PM

Genesis needs his password back.

Taikun · #15 11-09-2005, 09:24 PM

I don't get why people even registered to that site. I think this offical page is good enough for everything. You can post pictures and tell us ur opinions... This site has all that velox promised you on his one..

James205 · #16 11-10-2005, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Taikun

I don't get why people even registered to that site. I think this offical page is good enough for everything. You can post pictures and tell us ur opinions... This site has all that velox promised you on his one..

Moderation wasn't bezerk (YOU COULD SAY BAD WORDS!)

All around fun, and no the graal online website doesn't have the features that graalians.com had.

What Velox did was horrible yes, but let's realize that people signed up for a website with the SAME password that their e-mail had, NEVER EVER DO THAT.

napo_p2p · #17 11-10-2005, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by James205

What Velox did was horrible yes, but let's realize that people signed up for a website with the SAME password that their e-mail had, NEVER EVER DO THAT.

Or even if you do, don't let a habit make you accidently try to login with the same password as your email

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Zxion · #18 11-10-2005, 05:22 AM

I guess people liked the way it was presented, vs. the forums.

sage_scooby · #19 11-10-2005, 02:36 PM

aye finally got unbanned last night. I got my money back today also!

I signed up as it seemed like a neat site and as always just looking for a nice graalian community. It also presented things this site does not and was controlled by a player and in some ways the people that signed up there. The links to PW sites and screenshots reviews were all a neat touch.

LilNiglet · #20 11-11-2005, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sage_scooby

aye finally got unbanned last night. I got my money back today also!

I signed up as it seemed like a neat site and as always just looking for a nice graalian community. It also presented things this site does not and was controlled by a player and in some ways the people that signed up there. The links to PW sites and screenshots reviews were all a neat touch.

Likewise. However, I still have yet to recieve my money

PayPal is slow as ****.

sage_scooby · #21 11-11-2005, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LilNiglet

PayPal is slow as ****.

Agreed!

I prefer the term jacked.

Taikun · #22 11-10-2005, 10:17 PM

I dunno what to talk about GK O.o XD that's why i didn't even have a look on that site hehe

Mykel · #23 11-11-2005, 05:18 AM

It'd be funny if he went to jail on his birthday.

nullify · #24 11-12-2005, 09:46 AM

Fry, eplaining phishing to people that are already freaked by their items going missing is just too much of a pain. I'd rather say "hacked" because that's the common vocabulary.

Minoc · #25 11-12-2005, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by nullify

I'd rather say "hacked" because that's the common vocabulary.

FYI
Common != Right.

protagonist · #26 11-12-2005, 04:51 PM

Hacked.

DraxxDrkGroupie · #27 11-14-2005, 12:08 AM

Here is a new problem... I to the best of my knowledge have never been to graalian.com. I didnt sign up for any website being i didnt go... But Stefan if you get a chance could i talk to you?

Matt · #28 11-14-2005, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DraxxDrkGroupie

Here is a new problem... I to the best of my knowledge have never been to graalian.com. I didnt sign up for any website being i didnt go... But Stefan if you get a chance could i talk to you?

You didnt state your problem exactly, but if you account password was changed without your knowledge and you have never been to www.graalians.com this thread doesn't relate to you, and you should submit a ticket to the Support Center and it will be taken care of.

skyler87 · #29 11-14-2005, 01:30 PM

Seriously....You people call this scandal "hacking"? He took some good guesses on people's E-mail passwords; that's it really.

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Originally Posted by Zero Hour

What a vile and selfish act from something that seemed so selfless.

Eh...People should know by now that there is no such thing as selflessness anymore. That should be part of the "common sense factor" when deciding whether or not to sign up for a site like this. Everything has a catch, this website had a more disguised one.

Edit: Not to say that it wasn't wrong, stupid, foolish, selfish, and all that jazz, I just think you're giving him more credit than he's worth on the "hacking" thing.

osrs · #30 11-14-2005, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by skyler87

Seriously....You people call this scandal "hacking"? He took some good guesses on people's E-mail passwords; that's it really.

That's actually what I said, I would call this scandal a 'Lammer action'.

James205 · #31 11-14-2005, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by skyler87

Seriously....You people call this scandal "hacking"? He took some good guesses on people's E-mail passwords; that's it really.

Eh...People should know by now that there is no such thing as selflessness anymore. That should be part of the "common sense factor" when deciding whether or not to sign up for a site like this. Everything has a catch, this website had a more disguised one.

Edit: Not to say that it wasn't wrong, stupid, foolish, selfish, and all that jazz, I just think you're giving him more credit than he's worth on the "hacking" thing.

You're a little late buddy.

Elk · #32 11-15-2005, 11:50 AM

hm...velox...that velox from Era? omg...and i thought he is nice o_o
i hope he didnt steal my PW in another way o.o

greetings, Elk

LilNiglet · #33 11-17-2005, 10:31 PM

Probably not relevant anymore but I got my money back.

Chris · #34 11-17-2005, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LilNiglet

Probably not relevant anymore but I got my money back.

Awesome Tupper.

sage_scooby · #35 11-18-2005, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LilNiglet

Probably not relevant anymore but I got my money back.

Glad you did too.

Corp1 · #36 11-18-2005, 09:22 AM

Smart but wrong.

galen · #37 11-18-2005, 07:06 PM

Even thought what he did was obviously wrong, I have to give him props for a great social engineering scam. It demonstrates how easily one can be taking for as a fool on the net. When I first heard about it I coulnd't help but laugh, and hope I was smart enough to use a different password. Even I said, "Oh <censored>", and scrambled around checking my accounts. Luckly I do recall using a unique pass on his site. This sort of thing happens to the best of us. Hope everyone learned from the experience.

MysticX2X · #38 11-23-2005, 04:50 AM

everythings over, you all fell for velox's scam and join these retarded graal communities, if i want to talk about graal, id do it at the forums, same people. Just stop joining these dumb un-official graal sites, i only thought graalpeople was good. Most retarded thing you people could do, go to a unoffical graal site to talk about graal when it can be talked about here. This reminds me of a time me and my brother did a criminal offence because i had acess to this guys cpanel because i worked on his forum, then my brother wiped his whole host lol because the guy was a *******.

James205 · #39 11-23-2005, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MysticX2X

everythings over, you all fell for velox's scam and join these retarded graal communities, if i want to talk about graal, id do it at the forums, same people. Just stop joining these dumb un-official graal sites, i only thought graalpeople was good. Most retarded thing you people could do, go to a unoffical graal site to talk about graal when it can be talked about here. This reminds me of a time me and my brother did a criminal offence because i had acess to this guys cpanel because i worked on his forum, then my brother wiped his whole host lol because the guy was a *******.

Jesus you're right, there could never be anything worse than signing up for a site using the same password as your e-mail and conversing about an online game known as graal. Screw war when you have this!

I think you're a little hyped up, cool down fella.

Googi · #40 11-23-2005, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MysticX2X

everythings over, you all fell for velox's scam and join these retarded graal communities, if i want to talk about graal, id do it at the forums, same people. Just stop joining these dumb un-official graal sites, i only thought graalpeople was good. Most retarded thing you people could do, go to a unoffical graal site to talk about graal when it can be talked about here. This reminds me of a time me and my brother did a criminal offence because i had acess to this guys cpanel because i worked on his forum, then my brother wiped his whole host lol because the guy was a *******.

Except it's actually pretty safe to use other sites as long as you don't use duplicate passwords.