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Kaimetsu · #31 05-06-2005, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad

How can you damage a server which does not exist?

2K1 exists not only electronically but also spiritually. So... you're doubly wrong.

Googi · #32 05-06-2005, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

2K1 exists not only electronically but also spiritually. So... you're doubly wrong.

Koni is going to damage 2K1 spiritually?

Kaimetsu · #33 05-06-2005, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

Koni is going to damage 2K1 spiritually?

Right now the server has a favorable reputation. People remember it fondly, else we wouldn't have all this (albeit fickle) enthusiasm over a potential revival. If somebody brings up a ruined version of the world, he poisons the nostalgia.

Kinda like what people keep doing to NW.

Googi · #34 05-06-2005, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

Right now the server has a favorable reputation. People remember it fondly, else we wouldn't have all this (albeit fickle) enthusiasm over a potential revival. If somebody brings up a ruined version of the world, he poisons the nostalgia.

I doubt it. 2K1 existed in a ruined state for a very long time, but it never damaged people's memories of the earlier times of 2K1. People don't talk about the server when it was dead.

Kaimetsu · #35 05-06-2005, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

I doubt it. 2K1 existed in a ruined state for a very long time, but it never damaged people's memories of the earlier times of 2K1. People don't talk about the server when it was dead.

That's pretty much the point. People didn't talk about it. They ignored it, and in doing so they preserved their nostalgia. After a couple of failed revivals, though, things start to loose their luster.

Waltz5 · #36 05-06-2005, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

It's usually a result of the immaturity of the workers rather than a legitimate issue with the manager.

Yes it can be. But if there are numerous accounts with one person involved wouldn't that make it seem there is atleast some fault on that person?

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How soon would it take before they got into a disagreement with Konidias and stormed out?

I've worked with Koni on 2k1 in the past and I've disagreed with him already. Like most normal people, he can be stubborn at times but know he has the ability to atleast listen and discuss differences in point of view. Disagreements are expected and are mere road bumps in my opinion in playerworld production.

My personal reasons for leaving 2k1 include a lack of communication on Lance's end. Maybe he was right in the end, but it's not very encouraging to not even have your ideas listened too/read.

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Originally Posted by Lance

Zero legitimate ones.

That's an opinion.

Googi · #37 05-06-2005, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaimetsu

That's pretty much the point. People didn't talk about it. They ignored it, and in doing so they preserved their nostalgia. After a couple of failed revivals, though, things start to loose their luster.

How? It doesn't change people's memories of the server, and especially not of the people who used to play it.

Kaimetsu · #38 05-06-2005, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Waltz5

if there are numerous accounts with one person involved wouldn't that make it seem there is atleast some fault on that person?

Potentially, but it depends on the circumstances. If lots of people are quitting at the same time then it's probably just herd instinct.

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I've worked with Koni on 2k1 in the past and I've disagreed with him already. Like most normal people, he can be stubborn at times but know he has the ability to atleast listen and discuss differences in point of view

My experiences suggest otherwise.

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How? It doesn't change people's memories of the server, and especially not of the people who used to play it.

Negative association, dawg.

Googi · #39 05-06-2005, 05:42 AM

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Negative association, dawg.

Since it hasn't happened in any widespread way even after the failures up until now, I don't see why there'd be some sort of magic number of failures at which point everyone will no longer think 2K1 was ever good.

Brad · #40 05-06-2005, 05:45 AM

just give it a wack theres nothin to lose

if it fails its just another failed attempt big deal

kai, you dont want him to try because you want OTHERS to always remember it?

I dont exactly remember you thinking of others first. You do consider Lance a friend though, and I think that might be clouding your vision in all this.

Kaimetsu · #41 05-06-2005, 06:12 AM

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it hasn't happened in any widespread way even after the failures up until now

How many failed revivals have there been?

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kai, you dont want him to try because you want OTHERS to always remember it?

It's not about what I want. I don't think the outcome of this disagreement will affect me in any significant way, no matter what happens. But that doesn't mean I'm unqualified to say what would be best for Graal as a whole.

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You do consider Lance a friend though

And you arrived at this conclusion because I agree with him on a matter? Fine. Konidias is your friend, and therefore you are biased.

Do yourself a favor and dispense with the ad hominems.

WanDaMan · #42 05-06-2005, 12:49 PM

Konidias couldn't do any better. Viva la' Lance.

Brad · #43 05-06-2005, 12:59 PM

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How many failed revivals have there been?

It's not about what I want. I don't think the outcome of this disagreement will affect me in any significant way, no matter what happens. But that doesn't mean I'm unqualified to say what would be best for Graal as a whole.

And you arrived at this conclusion because I agree with him on a matter? Fine. Konidias is your friend, and therefore you are biased.

Do yourself a favor and dispense with the ad hominems.

Theres no need to flame me. I am merely saying you make no justified statements of Lance doing anything good for the server. You just poke around it by saying no one would be better. You're doing this to save a friends job which I can respect, but NOTHING IS BEING DONE. My God, this is ridiculous. Why the hell does Lance even want the job still?

konidias · #44 05-06-2005, 01:29 PM

It's fine if Tseng doesn't want to hand over 2k1 to me. I won't fight it unless he feels it would benefit 2k1 for him to step down, which apparently he doesn't. If he thinks he can bring back 2k1, then he is more than happy to try.

I will try and talk to Stefan and possibly get something set up (and his permission of course) to work on my own variation of the server. In truth, I'm not sure what has changed on 2k1 since Tseng took over, and there might be some decent stuff there that I had no part in making. So it's only fair for him to keep what is there and release it at his own time.

I've already started (at least with some graphic concepts) for the new 2k1 I have planned. I'll probably focus mainly on revamping the graphics first off, as that's a major element to the revision I'd like to see. I'm questioning as to whether or not this could be seen as a "2k1" project, and be allowed it's own forum in this area. Not because I feel I deserve such a thing, but because 2k1 was such a large part of Graal, that it would be easier for me to recieve input towards my version of the server in a seperated forum, than to not know whether to ask for input here, or on the playerworld forums.

Also I think Kaimetsu's complaint that nobody should be given a shot at reviving 2k1 as it would "poison the nostalgia", is sort of silly. You can't destroy the past by bringing it back and changing it. It's like... Michael Jackson might be an oddball today, and a lot of people dislike him... but they don't argue that his old music wasn't good. A child star could be loved by millions when they were a child, and a total loser when they grow up, but people will still remember them in their glory days.

Same thing with 2k1. It's already been dragged through the mud and yet I still yearn for the days when Stefan was still working on it, and it was a lot more simplistic. It just seems like a poor excuse to me. That is my opinion, and I'd rather not have Kaimetsu try to own me with his superior mind. I don't want to debate about it, nor do I have the posting ability to do so. I can't possibly achieve much arguing only being able to post once per day. So with that being said... the arguements can cease now. Kaimetsu doesn't hold the final word in anything so there is really no point in proving anything to him.

I'm not going to push for Tseng's removal, I'm just giving him a chance to step down from something that he doesn't seem to be enjoying. If he'd rather continue with his project, then so be it.

zell12 · #45 05-06-2005, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lance

Zero legitimate ones.

Zero? Should Kyden and I have stayed staff on Graal2001, just to sit in RC and talk to eachother. We can do that on AIM if we wanted to. You were never there.

I don't know about the other peoples reasons good enough to start quoting them, but didn't scott leave because nothing was going on? Shadowless wanted money to keep working?

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Sounds like a personal problem.

Personnel problem with you never being around maybe? Problem with you unable to do your manager duties?