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[Soul-Blade]

Originally Posted by Scott

What? What the ****? No, I couldn't make anything like St0ven did with that website. Nor could you. It's not just "time consuming", dude. It involves knowledge of colors, tones, shading, light sources, and an amazing amount of experience with AA work. Why do you think some pixel artists are better than others? Because they put more work into their images? Hell no. It's because they know how to manipulate pixels zoomed in so that at a regular resolution it looks like something else. Pixel art is a form of mosaic art, and has been around for a couple thousand years yo. It's not just something anyone can pick up and spend enough time on to make something look good. Jesus, never say again you're on par with st0ven or any of the other elite pixel artists. You know you're not, and either am I. Besides, most of those pixel artists that work on video games still make better graphics than most brush artists.

Scott, obviously that fellow is a legend in your mind and anything I say will not sway that dillusion. I think his graphics are crap. They are pixelized, unrealistic, crap graphics. If he switched to a real program, and did something like say... http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php...ghlight=dragon
I might say otherwise. If this was 10 years ago, I might be amazed by it. But it is now. And that is a old, pathetic style.

As far as me comparing to him, 4 years ago I could have made pixel art in comparisn. If I had been a *****, I could have followed the pixel art path and would be far beyond him now. But I'm no *****. I like real graphics and that is what I pursue. They are much more challenging then pixel art.

You think a real video game developer would even dream of putting graphics like that in a game? No. They wouldn't.

Now that put aside, I think pixel art is a good place to start. It does teach good habits and gives you an eye for detail. The habit most people (and I developed once I got a tablet ) get in better programs is they just think the brushes do all the work. If you start with pixel art you will likely keep your eye for detail (at least I did while I was still using a mouse).

I'm done with this discussion. We have different goals, and different vision. I like to see unreal things displayed in a realistic fashion. I think pixel art is easy; you think it is hard. Whatever. Off to play CS.

[REPLY TO PERSON UNDER ME] "They look better than anything I have seen from you."

I show my stuff primarily at school and places other then here, so you haven't seen much.
In addition, I think my graphics are crap. So what's your point?


[REPLY TO SCOTT]

Ok scott. Be a foolish simpleton. Have fun looking up to people the rest of your existence rather then grasping something beyond them. I've already answered all your pathetic replies in my post so I won't do it a second time. . Cgtalk is a way better forum to post graphics, this place is full of untalented pathetic fools.

But seriously, my trying to cause trouble aside, you misunderstood my post. Re-read it. I was trying to make the point that the artist does all the work, and people develope bad habits of believing the brushes will fix the artists inability. You really do need to read and comprehend before you post.


[REPLY TO ENERITH]

That site you linked to has some nice pictures...I'm not sure what the point you were trying to prove is though. I appreciate art - but pixel art (such as what this st0ven fellow made) is nothing to appreciate. Those pictures on that site you linked compared to that dragon stuff....please.
And if you said that "psped" dragon sucks, that would be stupidity. Psped? It is the same thing as painting. In fact, it is a little harder then painting because you have less control (though better error correction). What the hell does psped mean anyway? Give me a damn break. LOOK, YOU "WINPAINTED" YOUR GRAAL GFX. THEY SUCK!
The program doesn't make a graphic. The person does. If you use psp, photoshop, whatever. Barely anyone can make images like that dragon I linked to, and NO ONE on this forum can. And you say he "psped" it? Like it is some kind of insult? Absolutely retarded. I would love to see Scott's glorious pixel artist he worships do anything like that dragon I linked. (someone below thought I made the dragon. No, I didn't. Also, someone below claims my ego is massive. Really? Even though I claimed my work is crap, my ego is massive? Brilliant. =)

[Sildae]

Originally Posted by Soul-Blade

I think his graphics are crap. They are pixelized, unrealistic, crap graphics.

They look better than anything I have seen from you.

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Soul-Blade

Scott, obviously that fellow is a legend in your mind and anything I say will not sway that dillusion. I think his graphics are crap. They are pixelized, unrealistic, crap graphics. If he switched to a real program, and did something like say... http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php...ghlight=dragon
I might say otherwise. If this was 10 years ago, I might be amazed by it. But it is now. And that is a old, pathetic style.

He's no legend, just one of the few pixel artists that are capable of that level of art. So because something is pixelized, it's crap? Way to be biased. Pathetic? I guess you find most cathederal art pathetic too.

Originally Posted by Soul-Blade

As far as me comparing to him, 4 years ago I could have made pixel art in comparisn. If I had been a *****, I could have followed the pixel art path and would be far beyond him now. But I'm no *****. I like real graphics and that is what I pursue. They are much more challenging then pixel art.

That's a load of bull****. From your level right now with using PSP or whatever you use, you're in no comparison. Your brush, and pixel art, can never be compared to his, or anyone else in his league. As well the challenge opinion, there's challenge to every style of art.

Originally Posted by Soul-Blade

You think a real video game developer would even dream of putting graphics like that in a game? No. They wouldn't.

Dude, go take a ****ing look a Nintendo and Sony. We've got a mass supply of pixel art based games on the Gameboy Advance, Sony Playstation (See: Nippon Ichi) and now Cell phones. You're an ignorant fool to have even said that.

Originally Posted by Soul-Blade

Now that put aside, I think pixel art is a good place to start. It does teach good habits and gives you an eye for detail. The habit most people (and I developed once I got a tablet ) get in better programs is they just think the brushes do all the work. If you start with pixel art you will likely keep your eye for detail (at least I did while I was still using a mouse).

No, the artist does the work. Despite him/her using mouse, tablet, brush, or pencil tool.

Originally Posted by Soul-Blade

I'm done with this discussion. We have different goals, and different vision. I like to see unreal things displayed in a realistic fashion. I think pixel art is easy; you think it is hard. Whatever. Off to play CS.

Different goals? How the hell would you know? I've given up on pixel art as a passion and do line art when I'm bored. You say I don't like to see unreal things? Gwaha. Right-o. I'm progressing into traditional mediums and illustration, so please don't assume what my goals are. You may think pixel art easy, but you will never be capable of the genius artwork behind games like Phantom Brave, Fire Emblem, hell even Pokemon.

Edit; PS, I can fly but I just choose not to. Right?

[Enerith]

No offense to anyone, its just.. Soul, I think you might need an art appreciation class. If I took the same attitude you have right now, I'd say that that psp dragon you gave the link to sucks. In all reality, I'd probably say that anyways because its psp'ed, so.. we can talk after that artist can do that with real oils on canvas and not by mouse. Please refer to http://www.tabora.com/home.html and look at some of Roy Tabora's work. If I'm going to like a surreal painting, then it has to be on canvas for me. But anyways, I try to refrain from that attitude because art is art no matter what form it comes in. Its a matter of expression, no matter what the style is. Many actually prefer the harder look of a mosiac compared to such as you represent. Didn't mean for this post to turn into a graphics argument but when it comes to being unbiased and open to anything about art, I have my word.

[Amagius]

Originally Posted by Soul-Blade

That site you linked to has some nice pictures...I'm not sure what the point you were trying to prove is though. I appreciate art - but pixel art (such as what this st0ven fellow made) is nothing to appreciate. Those pictures on that site you linked compared to that dragon stuff....please.
And if you said that "psped" dragon sucks, that would be stupidity. Psped? It is the same thing as painting. In fact, it is a little harder then painting because you have less control (though better error correction). What the hell does psped mean anyway? Give me a damn break. LOOK, YOU "WINPAINTED" YOUR GRAAL GFX. THEY SUCK!
The program doesn't make a graphic. The person does. If you use psp, photoshop, whatever. Barely anyone can make images like that dragon I linked to, and NO ONE on this forum can. And you say he "psped" it? Like it is some kind of insult? Absolutely retarded. I would love to see Scott's glorious pixel artist he worships do anything like that dragon I linked.

My art isn't even good, and I can accurately tell you that that is one of the know ignorant, elitist things I have heard on art.

Your defense on your PSP'd Dragon is that barely anyone can do it and that no one here can do it either. Guess what! That applies just as much to the pixel graphics. Barely anyone can do it, and no one here could do it -- including you.

Not that I am saying that the CG picture sucks -- oh contrary, it is a great piece of work, but if you cannot appreciate pixel art, which is DEFINITELY another form of mosaic art, you know very little on art.

P.S. Respect != Worship, so stop acting like you are hot **** because your ego is beyond your skill.

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by Enerith

Please refer to http://www.tabora.com/home.html and look at some of Roy Tabora's work.

Everything I looked at had more or less the same scenery

[davidpsy]

Soul Blade and Scott both have their opinions on what art they like/dislike. I personally appericate both pixel art and painting, but I can understand someone disliking pixel art, and thats okay.

[Enerith]

Well, its not really the dislike that bothers me personally, its the idea of not accepting it as a skilled art that gets me going. :P

[Soul-Blade]

I never said it isn't skilled art - what I am trying to say is it does require skill and talent to do pixel art. It is just a lower level...in fact, just about the first level...as far as skill goes. You don't see many people doing pixel art anymore, and clearly there is a reason for that. You don't see Graal with over a million players like say...oh...World of Warcraft and obviously there is a reason for that. This arguement that pixel art is better then say that dragon, or cg art, is just INSANE. It is MUCH harder to create something in psp or photoshop that looks good, it is MUCH harder to create a realistic 3d model and a scene to go along with it. These tools simply unlock another level that was otherwise impossible - but they are no easier to operate then someone doing pixel art in paint. They are much harder, and require much more time learning how to use the programs. That especially applys to modelling and skinning and such.

[Zero Hour]

You realize it's perfectly possible for a pixelartists to create a just as detailed piece of art as that dragon? Given, it would take probably a month - but it's possible. When you're working with the base of something you can do anything, it'll just take a Hell of a lot longer.

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Soul-Blade

I never said it isn't skilled art

Originally Posted by Soul-Blade

what I am trying to say is it does require skill and talent to do pixel art.

Hypocrit?

Originally Posted by Soul-Blade

You don't see many people doing pixel art anymore, and clearly there is a reason for that. You don't see Graal with over a million players like say...oh...World of Warcraft and obviously there is a reason for that.

No pixel art anymore? Habbo Hotel, Disgaea, Phantom Brave, Phantom Kingdoms, Golden Sun Series, Pokemon Series, and a million Cell Phone games. Right-o, nice folly.

I thought you said wouldn't post anymore? Oh, so you attacked me in an edit, and named every artist here untalented. Nice. Please, what's your user account on CGtalk so I can check out your art that obviously surpasses everyone here.

[GoZelda]

Originally Posted by Scott

Hypocrit?

Scott owned himself

[Scott]

Originally Posted by GoZelda

Scott owned himself

Whoa, I did. That's pretty ****ing amazing. o_O;; Gwaha. I'd edit, but I don't really care. ^_^

[Amagius]

Originally Posted by Scott

Whoa, I did. That's pretty ****ing amazing. o_O;; Gwaha. I'd edit, but I don't really care. ^_^

Wow -- that is sig worthy. Haha.

[Soul-Blade]

Originally Posted by Scott

Hypocrit?




No pixel art anymore? Habbo Hotel, Disgaea, Phantom Brave, Phantom Kingdoms, Golden Sun Series, Pokemon Series, and a million Cell Phone games. Right-o, nice folly.

I thought you said wouldn't post anymore? Oh, so you attacked me in an edit, and named every artist here untalented. Nice. Please, what's your user account on CGtalk so I can check out your art that obviously surpasses everyone here.

My post was directed to viewers of the graphics forum. For the most part as far as the viewers here go, there is some knowledge of graphics (though I would question talent for how long everyone here, besides perhaps galdor and you, have been at the same level). Apparently it wasn't taken that way which is why I said that.

As far as those games you've listed, come on. I never heard of most of those, and the 2 I did hear of were terrible. To think you are actually trying to claim those are better then 3d games....wow.... .

Last but not least, allow me to quote MYSELF to prove your stupid last comment wrong.

Originally Posted by Soul-Blade

[REPLY TO PERSON UNDER ME] "They look better than anything I have seen from you."

I show my stuff primarily at school and places other then here, so you haven't seen much.
In addition, I think my graphics are crap. So what's your point?

Since obviously you have no comprehension skills, allow me to explain what this means. It means I believe this forum has no one with real skill for the real world, myself included (at my current level). It also means I am not ready to post on cgtalk, I simply view and learn from people who do post there. By claiming my own stuff is crap, and considering my own stuff is better then most stuff here, I am basically saying graal has inexperienced beginner artists. The ONLY artist so far to have anything amazing was NewGut, but no one heard of him because he worked in secret for NewWorld. I'm not being the arrogant one here, you are, simply proven by the fact you get so offended when anyone says anything but glory to you. You're so used to glory you've forgotten what it feels like when someone says anything otherwise.

Personally I thought it was a nice calm arguement, I never take anything people say personally and I absorb the negative things thrown at me. That is the prime reason I usually treat others bad and barely compliment, so they can return the favor to me and make me stronger. What I'm trying to say is I appreciate you getting personally offended and attacking me. I'm serious, I really do appreciate it. What I'm also saying is you display major weakness by your rash anger. Could it be that what I'm saying is true, and you're simply trying to lie to yourself? Maybe.