Rule Amendment: Level 4 RCs

[Lance]

Your arguments are fallacious, Moon God.

You are assuming:
1) You are/were a good manager
-This is debatable.

2) What you think worked for you will work for everyone else
-Each server is a unique environment and should be treated differently.

3) You possess the cognitive capability to "think of every angle there is"
-I don't think you do. I don't think I do, either, so please don't take that as an insult.

[WHIPENIE4]

wheres Moon Goddess to delete his posts? thats arguing!

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by WHIPENIE4
wheres Moon Goddess to delete his posts? thats arguing!

I dont delete all arguements, only if they break the rules, this isnt even considered an arguement, it is a discussion.

[ZeLpH_MyStiK]

I have a question, what about those servers that have two owners, and two managers? O ya, and owner refuses to use Admin-Playerworld acct and insists on using his own account.

[Brandon]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
More stuff

Sounds good to me. That's all I was attempting to accomplish: that our input be taken into account so that we may help to mold the rules that we have to follow. Thank you Moon God.

On a side note: you and I are the two longest running managers here. (Just thought I'd mention that )

Okay everyone, you may all return to your regularly scheduled reality!

Also, Lance: Very valid points. I haven't been the best manager either. It's good to know that we have people that think like you do in places that you are.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Lance
Your arguments are fallacious, Moon God.

You are assuming:
1) You are/were a good manager
-This is debatable.

2) What you think worked for you will work for everyone else
-Each server is a unique environment and should be treated differently.

3) You possess the cognitive capability to "think of every angle there is"
-I don't think you do. I don't think I do, either, so please don't take that as an insult.

You are entitled to your opinion but seeing I have a few years on you may also let me see things in a way you don’t, that you will only gain by life experiences and the wisdom to see them. I don't profess to know it all and is why we discuss rules with all the PWA and not any one person is making rules, plus the fact any and all rules are looked over by Unixmad and Stefan for approval.

[Lance]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
You are entitled to your opinion but seeing I have a few years on you may also let me see things in a way you don't, that you will only gain by life experiences and the wisdom to see them.

Age only gives people the opportunity to become wise - it does not immediately grant them wisdom. It's not the amount of time you have - it's what you do with that opportunity. The truth in this can be seen in the existence of wise teenagers and foolish adults (they are more common than you may at first suppose).

I don't profess to know it all

However, you did profess attempting to examine things from every angle, which is rather impossible.

and is why we discuss rules with all the PWA and not any one person is making rules,

This may or may not be a good thing, but I've already debated that point to death.

plus the fact any and all rules are looked over by Unixmad and Stefan for approval.

Shrug. They don't necessarily know what's going on with the servers other than what they are told. This opens the gate for rules which may or may not be necessary, as they base their perceptions upon what you tell them. Thus, if you come to some erroneous conclusion (e.g. the situation is so bad that some unnecessary rule is needed), then they're rather likely to believe you, and therefore approve it, even though in actuality such a rule would be unnecessary.

Another interesting idea is that they will most probably approve a rule if they do not consider it to be harmful.

What I'm trying to say is that just because a rule is approved by some people, it doesn't necessarily make it valid/justified.

[EmortalDragon]

I love Tseng When he gets going

[Genesis]

Originally posted by EmortalDragon
I love Tseng When he gets going

What was the point of posting that?

*edit* Now I am making a useless post about talking about something else useless post

[haunter]

He was simply admiring Lance and giving him a compliment...Nothing wrong with that... I don't blame him either... Lance is a nice, intelligent guy... Of course uh, he's not as much of a looker as I am but... *snaps suspenders* he's gettin' there...

[Genesis]

Originally posted by haunter
He was simply admiring Lance and giving him a compliment...Nothing wrong with that... I don't blame him either... Lance is a nice, intelligent guy... Of course uh, he's not as much of a looker as I am but... *snaps suspenders* he's gettin' there...

lol hmmm that's interesting.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Lance


Another interesting idea is that they will most probably approve a rule if they do not consider it to be harmful.

What I'm trying to say is that just because a rule is approved by some people, it doesn't necessarily make it valid/justified.

Whether it is justified or not or even valid for that matter , if Stefan and Stephane deem it what they want your point is moot. Bluntly right or wrong it is their game. and if you want to play it then you have to accept the terms as they lay them out or move on to something else. No one is going to force you to play or stay but to stay means acceptance of the rules.

[DarkShadows_Legend]

Unfortunately not all PWA make wise decisions.
One PWA assumed that nextpage.wav is a G2K2 only sound and I was tol to remove it from a NPC I had made. :/
I forgot to ask that here, but I think someone told me it was allowed to be used.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by DarkShadows_Legend
Unfortunately not all PWA make wise decisions.
One PWA assumed that nextpage.wav is a G2K2 only sound and I was tol to remove it from a NPC I had made. :/
I forgot to ask that here, but I think someone told me it was allowed to be used.

I agree we will make mistakes at times , I don't know who told you this or the validity of you can or cannot use it. I for one don't know and I don't ask things to be removed unless I know for sure. If you think one of us is making a mistake about something (me included) by all means contact Spark and discuss it with him. We are here to help as well as enforce things and I don't have a problem with someone who questions what I tell them, normally before I do I am 95% sure what I am telling them is accurate information. But there is always that 5% I could be wrong. If I am really not that sure on something I will tell someone I will look into it and take no action on it till I am sure.

[Lance]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Whether it is justified or not or even valid for that matter , if Stefan and Stephane deem it what they want your point is moot.

Sigh. Predictably, you yet again missed the point. I was indicating that just because they approve rules does not mean that the rules are in the best interests of the game. Just because they listen to your ideas and approve your rules does not make them correct. They are not infallible, as you seem to want us to believe.

Bluntly right or wrong it is their game.

Demonstrate the relevance of this to your argument, please. Otherwise, this statement merely serves to support my point.

and if you want to play it then you have to accept the terms as they lay them out or move on to something else.

But they can be debated, modified, or improved. They are not locked in stone. You will note that Spark has already modified some of the rules. Some of my suggestions were even put into place in their initial assembly.

No one is going to force you to play or stay but to stay means acceptance of the rules.

Incorrect. To stay means that I agree to abide by them, not that I agree to accept them. There is a difference, though I don't expect you to understand that.