Delteria: Bad Stuff

[Mykel]

Originally posted by PrinceDark
A lot of playerworlds have offensive content on it. They just don't get reported for it. There's actually a lot more on Delteria that is much worse than that 'Hump Me!' npc.
Same with many other playerworlds. The problem is this stuff is not looked at by the pw staff because they are lazy and just give everyone RC, and rights to upload stuff.

please name something.

[voicedcow6666]

heh...I was the one that made and uploaded that NPC onto Delteria...whoopy!!!!

It's friggin stupid if you're not mature enough to handle it...-_-

You have to be 13 years old to play graal...that is for damn sure PG13...hell, they cuss in cartoons on the Cartoon Network!!!

Seriously though, if you can't handle something so small...you're pathetic and should get a shrink.

And you can't say "oh, it's sexual content, it's too bad for young kids to see"...crap...that's not sexually offensive at all...if it is to you, as I said, you need to see a shrink...it shows no bodily parts...it shows movements, movements of gani's, default gani's at that...If you can't have that, might as well take swords, bombs, arrows, and every other NPC that causes damage towards players, because it's a whole lot worse...

Seriously now...grow up people...

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by voicedcow6666
heh...I was the one that made and uploaded that NPC onto Delteria...whoopy!!!!

It's friggin stupid if you're not mature enough to handle it...-_-

It's hilarious that you are labelling people as 'immature' for not appreciating your childish humour. In any case, you do not decide what is and isn't appropriate for Graal so your opinion is of very little consequence.

Mykel, I know it's hard to find good scripters, but surely you can get somebody better than this incompetent fool?

[voicedcow6666]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


It's hilarious that you are labelling people as 'immature' for not appreciating your childish humour. In any case, you do not decide what is and isn't appropriate for Graal so your opinion is of very little consequence.

Mykel, I know it's hard to find good scripters, but surely you can get somebody better than this incompetent fool?

Heh, your ignorance amuses me.

And I'm not saying people are immature for not being able to "appreciate my childish humour", though for the fact that they can't handle something so small and petty....

I didn't make the NPC for me, either...I could care less about it. Truth of that matter is the majority of Graal players go around humping objects on Graal...I think it's friggin stuipd, but...I don't care. I give the players what makes them happy, that made them happy. It's a hell of a lot easier just pressing D than it is uses a series of buttons you can only do in certain places...

Seriously...it's a small and petty NPC...Something the players liked...GROW UP.


You said that I don't decide what is and isn't appropriate for Graal....true...though neither do you, WC, or anyone else that's posted in this thread...So you can't say much without being a hypocrite...

[HoudiniMan]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


It's hilarious that you are labelling people as 'immature' for not appreciating your childish humour. In any case, you do not decide what is and isn't appropriate for Graal so your opinion is of very little consequence.

Mykel, I know it's hard to find good scripters, but surely you can get somebody better than this incompetent fool?

I was actually demoted from NPC Admin recently and mr. voiced cow, also known as Zega, was promoted to it (for the second time since i've been working there)...

But he can script somewhat

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by voicedcow6666
Heh, your ignorance amuses me.

Easy words to say, kid, but you'll have trouble justifying them.

And I'm not saying people are immature for not being able to "appreciate my childish humour", though for the fact that they can't handle something so small and petty....

It's not about 'handling' it, it's about expressing their distaste over what is essentially a juvenile attempt at humour.

Seriously...it's a small and petty NPC...Something the players liked...GROW UP.

Still you seem to misunderstand the reason people are complaining.

1) You say that it happens all the time and that makes it okay. No. You are making an age-old jump of illogic. The existence of bad stuff does not excuse the introduction of more bad stuff.
2) With your childish humour you are cheapening Graal and Delteria itself (though, admittedly, the latter doesn't need much help in that regard). Before, people were abusing an animation to make the pretense that they are engaging in a sexual act. Any outside observer could conclude that it is their fault. With the introduction of your NPC comes the official condonement of the action, and it becomes your fault, along with the fault of Delteria and Graal as a whole.

You said that I don't decide what is and isn't appropriate for Graal....true...though neither do you, WC, or anyone else that's posted in this thread

I never said that I do. However, I am aware of the opinions of those in charge, and can voice them without exhibiting any kind of hypocrisy.

Originally posted by HoudiniMan
But he can script somewhat

Perhaps by Delteria's standards, but scripting generally requires some degree of intelligence, so I'm doubtful of his abilities.

[PrinceDark]

You have to be 13 years old to play graal...that is for damn sure PG13...hell, they cuss in cartoons on the Cartoon Network!!!

People less than 13 can still play as long as they have their parents approval.

They say some cuss words on Cartoon Network, nothing extremely explicit though and not during their regular hours of 3:00 a.m. - 10:00 p.m.
The other times where some adult content is shown are for the adult swim cartoons and warnings is given before every single cartoon shown in case parents do let their children watch.

[voicedcow6666]

heh, you say I'd have trouble finding justification saying that...Though I could say the same to your "incompetent fool" remark, as you have no ability to judge my competence nor call me a fool.


You say it's a "juvenile attempt at humour"...though aren't the majority of Graal players in fact juveniles? Hmm....Then you say they are expressing their distaste over it? Then again...back to the point of "growing up"...there are a lot of things in the world that you aren't going to like and which may not be tasteful, but you can't do anything about them...being able to deal with those things is part of growing up...try it sometime.


Hmm...You speak as though a player having the ability to "hump" an object is bad? What planet were you born on? You must still be, and forever will be, a virgin if this is your train of thought.


And how am I cheapening Graal and Delteria with this? Because people happen to use it as a sexual activity towards one another? Again, what planet were you born on? Take a look around, the entire world is fluttered with this type of activity, everywhere you look...This brings me back to the "grow up" part...


You know the opinions of those in charge, hmm? Have you personally asked them about this? I've yet to see them post about it. I sure as hell can't read their minds, can you? Do you have some kind of telapathic power which no one is aware about? What am I thinking right NOW?


heh, and yet again...you challenge my intelligence, where you have no room to speak. You do not know me, you've never sat down and held a conversation with me...You judge my intelligence by a NPC I made...that's pretty pathetic....

[voicedcow6666]

Heh...also, I just went through all of the GraalOnline documents, rules, pricacy statements, etc. and found nothing against it. Once they add something in there that says it's illegal, or I am directly told by someone with power over that...I really have no need to listen or continue with this. Good day.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by voicedcow6666
heh, you say I'd have trouble finding justification saying that...Though I could say the same to your "incompetent fool" remark, as you have no ability to judge my competence nor call me a fool.

At numerous points during this thread I have pointed out idiotic errors of logic on your part that more than justify my statement.

You say it's a "juvenile attempt at humour"...though aren't the majority of Graal players in fact juveniles?

The majority, perhaps. So? There are players with mental ages greater than thirteen, and they shouldn't be subjected to your puerile creations.

Hmm....Then you say they are expressing their distaste over it? Then again...back to the point of "growing up"...there are a lot of things in the world that you aren't going to like and which may not be tasteful, but you can't do anything about them...being able to deal with those things is part of growing up...try it sometime.

Don't be so stupid. Expressing a dislike of something is hardly indicative of immaturity, regardless of whether or not you have the power to change it. Jeez, dude, I don't even need to justify calling you an incompetent fool - you're doing it all for me.

Hmm...You speak as though a player having the ability to "hump" an object is bad? What planet were you born on? You must still be, and forever will be, a virgin if this is your train of thought.

Indeed it is bad. Sex is something of a taboo in society, especially when dealing with younger audiences - hence the fact that there are very few remotely sexual references in cartoons. Giving people the ability to do this condones the act of 'raping' other players. It's simply distasteful.

And how am I cheapening Graal and Delteria with this? Because people happen to use it as a sexual activity towards one another?

Yes. Again I state that social standards classify this as being distasteful. Whether or not this is logical is irrelevant. You might have your own standards, but they don't matter. You are not the only person playing the game, so yours is not the only opinion that matters.

You know the opinions of those in charge, hmm? Have you personally asked them about this?

About this kind of matter, yes.

heh, and yet again...you challenge my intelligence, where you have no room to speak. You do not know me, you've never sat down and held a conversation with me...You judge my intelligence by a NPC I made...that's pretty pathetic....

By an NPC you made and by your ridiculous arguments on this forum. I have no room to speak? It's highly amusing that you criticise me for insulting your intelligence without knowing you, while simultaneously doing exactly the same thing to me.

[voicedcow6666]

Hehe, thanks. You're providing me with lots of fun when I'd usually be bored.


Anyway...


At numerous points in this thread you've pointed out what you personally believe to be "idiotic error of logic", so doesn't really count. In my personal opinion I find you to be a ***** because you spell humor with "mour", instead of just "mor", though both are correct, I have a personal preference. That wouldn't justify me calling you a *****.


You agree to the majority part of my statement...just got through reading all of GraalOnline docs, so let me get a little quote.

These policies will undoubtedly NOT suit everyone, but this is impossible. Because GraalOnline is a multiplayer game, there can sometimes be a conflict between an individual user's idea of entertainment and that of the majority of the players. To improve gameplay experience for as many people as possible, the majority will be given the greatest weight.

I have no problem with expressing a dislike for items...but when you go to the extent that you're posting on these forums and with the soul intent of trying to bring the "bad" out of another server...heh, gets pretty stupid. Just because you don't like something, especially something so petty, doesn't mean create such a big ordeal over it.


Wtf? Raping players? It's a friggin game!!! You need to get you a prostitute or something...Even if someone was "raping" another player...If they didn't like it, all they would have to do is pm a staff member. I would consider that harassment...there, taken care of...


Social standards classify it as being distasteful? Social standards also classify killing people as "distasteful", yet that still goes on in Graal. Again, it's a game...it's meant to go away from social standards a bit to the extent that you can have fun...None of it is forced upon you....


So you've asked Stefan and Unixmad and Nemesis and whoever else specifically about NPC's for "humping" objects? Hmm...sounds like an interesting convo, mind if I see a history? I could use it for a good laugh.


And yes, I find it amusing also. But then I didn't care, I just brought it up because you were doing the same to me. Didn't make ya look any better. In fact, you just basically criticised yourself.


Anyway, I'm going to sleep now.

We can play again tomorrow!

[HoudiniMan]

*sneeze* erm... uh, don't let me stop you guys...
sleep time for me tomorrow... hopefully not too much to read when i wake up

[Kaimetsu]

At numerous points in this thread you've pointed out what you personally believe to be "idiotic error of logic", so doesn't really count.

And now I'll point out another one. My labelling of you was a subjective appraisal. My labelling of your errors are - debatably - subjective appraisals. Why do you believe that I am not allowed to use the latter in creating the former?

In my personal opinion I find you to be a ***** because you spell humor with "mour", instead of just "mor", though both are correct, I have a personal preference. That wouldn't justify me calling you a *****.

But it would justify me calling you a *****. Judging somebody's intelligence based on which valid spelling they use is extremely stupid, if only because it's an immensely inaccurate measure. A person's choice of spelling does not reflect on their intelligence in any real way. On the other hand, the frequency with which they say idiotic things has a very real link to their intelligence, and so it is reasonable for me to judge your intellect based on your numerous logical failures.

You agree to the majority part of my statement...

Wha? When did I agree to anything you said?

just got through reading all of GraalOnline docs, so let me get a little quote.

Your quote is inapplicable. Reasons:

1) You have not proven that the majority of people like the NPC in question.
2) Utilitarianism applies. The majority is given a larger weighting than the minority, but you have to examine the specific nature of players' reactions. Any person with a mental age higher than thirteen will most likely consider your toy to be in extremely bad taste. Meanwhile, those with low intellects might think it is kinda cool but it won't revolutionise their lives. The following is, in this case, true: Small number of people * large negative reaction > Large number of people * small positive reaction.
3) It's not just about what the players want - it's about Graal's reputation. As I have already explained, your NPC harmed that (or at least took it in a direction unwanted by the owners).

I have no problem with expressing a dislike for items...but when you go to the extent that you're posting on these forums and with the soul intent of trying to bring the "bad" out of another server

Yeah, because posting takes so much effort, right? Just think what else they could be doing in that time! They could read half a page of a book, for example! Or see three minutes of their favourite TV programme! How foolish of them to squander so much of their precious time!

Wtf? Raping players? It's a friggin game!!!

A game where you purposefully gave the players the ability to simulate raping objects. What is so difficult to understand? You say that you consider it harrassment and cause for GPs to intervene, yet the major purpose of your NPCs is to facilitate this idiocy.

Great, they can PM a staff member! That makes it okay! It doesn't matter that there are not always staff online, and that it's impossible to prove that the person actually did it, and that the event has already taken place by the time the GP even hears about it!

Social standards classify it as being distasteful? Social standards also classify killing people as "distasteful"

Not in a computer game. Or even those who do are not people who play Graal. Boom, your argument fails.

So you've asked Stefan and Unixmad and Nemesis and whoever else specifically about NPC's for "humping" objects?

No, I have talked to them about the general standard of taste that Graal should take. They want it to be a game suitable for families, and that pretty much precludes *****ic toys like yours.

And yes, I find it amusing also. But then I didn't care, I just brought it up because you were doing the same to me.

Ah, then you intentionally engaged in idiotic hypocrisy. That's an excellent defense!

Didn't make ya look any better. In fact, you just basically criticised yourself.

Only in the eyes of those who have difficulty reading. I pointed out your hypocrisy, that's all. I could have criticised you for judging without proper evidence, but I didn't. Even if I had, I would only be criticising myself if I agreed that I am doing the same. In fact I am not. I am judging you on the evidence inherent in the posts you have made so far. It's fairly reasonable to conclude that somebody who acts as stupid as you is, in fact, stupid.

[voicedcow6666]

*yawn* Aahh...awake for work, time to play just a little bit more before I go in.

BTW, Kaim, I'd like to thank you. You've provided me more fun in one day than I've had on Graal in over a year.

mmhmm *cough* Now...


Just because you don't agree with someone, whether it be on logic or whatever, does not make that person an incompetent fool.


And did you really believe that I was calling you a ***** because of the way you spell humor? Jesus dude, rofl....I was using it as an example.


Ok, you didn't outright agree that the majority of the people are juveniles, but you agreed of the possibility. Close enough.


And that quote, it is applicable. When the NPC was up, I didn't recieve one complaint of any kind about it (except on here). After it was taken down, I've recieved multiple complaints.

The majority of the players on Delteria are in fact over the age of thirteen and do in fact have a mental compacity over the age of a thirteen year old (with a few exceptions, I admit). None of these players had a problem with it.

To be straight up honest, I do not care about Graal nor it's reputation. My primary point of interest is Delteria and the Delteria players.



And not because posting takes so much effort, like with your smart ass reply.

When WC posted this, he posted it with the intent to bring out the "bad" of Delteria, just like he does other servers. That's ignorant. As I read back in this thread I see others which agree with me.


The NPC was not made to "rape" objects or players. How can you "rape" something on an 8-bit game? How can you "rape" an object period?

Yes, they could contact staff...if there's not someone on, then they can complain on our forums....it would be handled...


Have you never played Vice City? You can friggin pick up hookers! And it's a game...so boom, you failed....


And you first insulted me...in return I insulted you...you replied saying I had no justification....I replied back saying neither did you...you reply saying oh it's humorous that I can say you have no justification to insult me while I'm insulting you with no justification...dude, you criticised yourself...I did the same thing you did to bring a point...figured you could get that on your own.

[Darlene159]

No matter what you say, Zega....the npc is not appropriate, it breaks graal rules, period.
It doesnt matter how many people like it or dislike it...it doesnt matter how old the people are who play, all that matters is that it breaks graal rules...the npc is Obsene and sexual in nature, and states in the graal rules that is not allowed.
On one hand you say you see nothing wrong with it, and on another, you say people can report it
It is illegal when people use the pulling gani in a sexual way because that is not appropriate behavior for an online game targeted for families...so it would also be illegal for you to make an npc purposely for that, not to mention totally stupid.
You copied a paragraph from graalonline saying that "the majority will be given the greatest weight". This is true, but whatever you would be talking about has to follow graal guidelines also, and not be an obsene npc.
For you to say that people need to grow up who are complaining about you breaking rules is not fair...the majority of graal players are children, whether they be mature or not. At least they are mature enough to know the graal rules, and to abide by them (which doesnt seem to be the case for you).
If the npc has been removed, then this problem is taken care of, but your attitude tells me that there will be future accurances.

Yea, I said I was done with the forums, I know someone will say something...so sue me