Republic or Monarch?

[busyrobot]

Zurk,

I find your lack of depth frightening.

Your nerd comparison is like saying the only choices are between a psycho and a flower pot.

Obviously, a flower pot in an inanimate object, and cannot lead so - YES, PSYCHOS #1! PSYCHOS #1!

Your 'nerd' would issue pocket protectors?

What if the choice was between the nerd and a bowl of oatmeal? "NERDS #1! NERDS #1! NERDS #1!"

My point is, when you setup an analogy that is polarized, lop-sided, and completely unreflective of any real situation, it doesn't count for much.

The facts are you need strong leaders who are more than intimidators, and you can't have leaders who cannot intimiate when needed either.

As Erik, you used force to obtain your goals, and it backfired because no one would support you when your dominate strength wained. You couldn't even tell when people lied to you just to get you to let them live.

If I thought war was all graal had to offer, I wouldn't even play.

Wars will come, they always do, and we must be prepared. We don't, however need the level of aggression you subscribe to.

[Zurkiba]

Originally posted by busyrobot
Zurk,

I find your lack of depth frightening.

Your nerd comparison is like saying the only choices are between a psycho and a flower pot.

Obviously, a flower pot in an inanimate object, and cannot lead so - YES, PSYCHOS #1! PSYCHOS #1!

Your 'nerd' would issue pocket protectors?

What if the choice was between the nerd and a bowl of oatmeal? "NERDS #1! NERDS #1! NERDS #1!"

My point is, when you setup an analogy that is polarized, lop-sided, and completely unreflective of any real situation, it doesn't count for much.

The facts are you need strong leaders who are more than intimidators, and you can't have leaders who cannot intimiate when needed either.

As Erik, you used force to obtain your goals, and it backfired because no one would support you when your dominate strength wained. You couldn't even tell when people lied to you just to get you to let them live.

If I thought war was all graal had to offer, I wouldn't even play.

Wars will come, they always do, and we must be prepared. We don't, however need the level of aggression you subscribe to.

The point of the comparision was to state a strong leader is key to having loyality.

Force was not used in my kingdom. Ask my members. Force was used when the security of Astri was threatened.

I'm here in my defense, and I was just setting an example on WHY my members followed me. I only killed those who backstabbed me... like Elazul. The war with Samurai, one cause was Elazul... but that's not the only cause.

[MilkyWay0016]

Originally posted by Zurkiba

I only killed those who backstabbed me... like Elazul. The war with Samurai, one cause was Elazul... but that's not the only cause.

It’s not always about you. Stop putting your petty revenge in front of everyone else's fun, okay?

I seriously hope no real nation is ever unlucky enough to have you in power
Did you ever stop to think the reason war happens so much on graal is because of you?
At least, the not fun wars.

Before you were in forest king, Dustari and PC at least had lots of fun harmless skirmishes, then you come along and sha-BAM: OMGZ LETZ KIILL EVER1 LELZ

Stop laying the blame on other people and start acting your age :o

[Googi]

Originally posted by Zurkiba
Peace is not an option... war is the only way.

If that were the case, the world would be doomed no matter who got elected. Do you really think that it's possible to "win" a nuclear war?

[sageofthehalo]

Originally posted by Zurkiba



Peace is not an option... war is the only way.
Do you really think there can be months of peace of Graal?

Umm we havnt had a kingdom war since....November...

[busyrobot]

The point of the comparision was to state a strong leader is key to having loyality.

And my point is you are wrong.

Strength only allows you to bend people, but you cannot break them, unless they get so frustrated they leave Graal forever.

If you bend them, at some point your strength waines for a moment, and they snap back.

Force buys you two types of loyalty:
1) Those you can step on and have no recourse but to obey you.
2) Those who wish to use their affiliation to you as borrowed strength, so they can step on people who will have no recourse but to obey them.

In either case, the currency is volitile:
1) Will stab you in the back and plot agianst you as soon as they can.
2) The second type will switch loyalties when someone else can promise them a better deal.


I can't understand why you have such trouble understanding this, when you experienced this type of 'disloyalty' first hand.


Side note: Of course, strength is an important asset for a leader. However, a vision that inspires people to work together is more important. Different visions appeal to different people, and a stable Kingdom should pick their goals wisely to disinterest likely powermongers who destablize things, and appeal to good RPers, and people who will work hard (and become or remain strong), and maintain goals that don't inherently create enemies.

Fun debate though.

[Zurkiba]

Originally posted by sageofthehalo



Umm we havnt had a kingdom war since....November...

Originally posted by boukon_malisous {Today}
hehe, thank you infinite, but we are not done with Zormite. War will be on Saturday against Zormite

[sageofthehalo]

I said "since".....I am soooo not having an illiterate king.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Googi
Sounds like you're making it out to be like You vs. Kaimetsu.

Hey, wait a second. Pocket protectors? I can kill people with my bare hands too

[Zurkiba]

Originally posted by sageofthehalo
I said "since".....I am soooo not having an illiterate king.

And I'm proving that you cant go for a long time without war.