Hours shouldn't be publicly displayed

[Cloven]

If I could add up all of my past and current accounts I'm sure I'd have a heinous amount of time spent on Delteria during the course of over nine years now. I just don't see such things mattering one way or the other. If somebody's that worried about another person's life it's likely because they're unhappy with their own in some fashion -- hence the need to lash out.

[DustyPorViva]

Most of the times hours do nothing but represent how much time one can spend idling/leaving their computer running.

[FuManchu]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I have nearly 6,000 hours on Classic and I don't mind either way.

Some people do.

Originally Posted by Crono

Sure it is, when I was a noob I always wished I could have as many hours as the cool guise on the server. It was like a goal on top of other things. Milestones even.

I did that when I was a noob too and I'm sure many others did. But in today's community, hours are more of a bad thing then proof of oldbieship.

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

Might as well hide kills and deaths cause I see this used more in arguments. "Wow kid, you don't even have kills above deaths, you really suck!"

ok go ahead

Originally Posted by Bell

I object to the no life insults. I have a life and have 10650 hours or something on Classic with my main account. People can harass me about it all they want, doesn't affect me in the least.

Well since you're pretty well known, people are more likely to know you're actually a really long-time player. For everyone else they're just targetted for it.

Originally Posted by Cloven

If I could add up all of my past and current accounts I'm sure I'd have a heinous amount of time spent on Delteria during the course of over nine years now. I just don't see such things mattering one way or the other. If somebody's that worried about another person's life it's likely because they're unhappy with their own in some fashion -- hence the need to lash out.

I agree.

It's not that I believe hours proof of having no life. Others do.. and I hate seeing the amount of harassment people get if they have a significant amount of hours compared to the other person. I don't even see why removing hours would be such a big deal, tbqh. Best-case scenario is that they're toggle-able in V6 so people can choose to hide them.

Whenever I say "publicly" I ultimately mean that staff and the player themselves can see them, not usually other players.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by FuManchu

Stuff.

again, if it's not hours, it will be something else. Hiding hours will not magically change the nature of Graal's players.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by FuManchu

Some people do/

A very, very small amount. This is not a big concern at the moment for graal, nor will it ever be. If you're being harassed, tell a GP.

[Demisis_P2P]

ITT FuManchu is embarrassed by his hours.

[FuManchu]

ITT Demisis tries to be intelligent but is only making himself look stupid w/ his assumptions.

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

again, if it's not hours, it will be something else. Hiding hours will not magically change the nature of Graal's players.

Despite what you believe, you're hardly making a good point at all.

While you're right that it wouldn't change the nature of Graal players, it's irrelevant to this because:

Originally Posted by FuManchu

Players can be harassed for other things in their profiles like age, favorite quote, etc, but hours are something they can't take out or hide and it's kind of silly tbh.

(note how I said players can be harassed because of other things - things that can be kept obsure - while hours can't)

And taking out hours will cut down a significant amount of harassment - enough that I decided to make a post about it.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by FuManchu

ITT Demisis tries to be intelligent but is only making himself look stupid w/ his assumptions.



Despite what you believe, you're hardly making a good point at all.

While you're right that it wouldn't change the nature of Graal players, it's irrelevant to this because:



(note how I said players can be harassed because of other things - things that can be kept obsure - while hours can't)

And taking out hours will cut down a significant amount of harassment - enough that I decided to make a post about it.

It's entirely relevant regardless of whether you believe it to be or not. I imagine it would be sort of hard to play most servers without using your items, which could easily become a target for insults (World of Warcraft is more than enough example for this), Kill/death/spar statistics, and so on. This sort of negative interaction will always exist among players as long as it is an online game, and considering all the things you could possibly be insulted for, if you really feel harassed or insulted about someone talking about your hours online, you're probably being oversensitive.

[FuManchu]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

It's entirely relevant regardless of whether you believe it to be or not. I imagine it would be sort of hard to play most servers without using your items, which could easily become a target for insults (World of Warcraft is more than enough example for this), Kill/death/spar statistics, and so on. This sort of negative interaction will always exist among players as long as it is an online game, and considering all the things you could possibly be insulted for, if you really feel harassed or insulted about someone talking about your hours online, you're probably being oversensitive.

I have met some pretty arrogant Graal players but I can't fathom anyone making fun of someone else on Graal for having.. items. I do see people making fun of kill/death/spar ratings but it's never nearly as bad as the harassment people get over hours.

I played WoW with my friend for several months and I've only once seen someone make fun of another player for having an item. It was that huge PvP mount that takes ages to get. You can't assume Graalians will do the same (items are easy to get on Graal anyway) because of WoW.

"They'll harass people over something else anyway" isn't a valid reason not to do this.

"Oversensitivity" isn't a reason to excuse harassment.

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

Hey doesn't it suck how on WoW level 80 players repeatedly kill lower level players? They should take away level 80 and make 79 the max level, regardless of the fact that level 79 players would still persist in doing the exact same thing.

If WoW players don't want killed while leveling, they play a PvE server............................................ ......

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by FuManchu

If WoW players don't want killed while leveling, they play a PvE server............................................ ......

Does graal have servers where it's not possible to harrass people?

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by FuManchu

"They'll harass people over something else anyway" isn't a valid reason not to do this.

It's plenty valid reason, because if we start removing all sorts of multiplayer aspects from the game because some people feel like trolling over it, at what point do things stop getting removed? When it's a single player offline game?

Having people say things you may not necessarily like comes with the territory of human interaction, surprised it has taken as long as starting Graal for you to realize this.

[Demisis_P2P]

Originally Posted by FuManchu

(note how I said players can be harassed because of other things - things that can be kept obsure - while hours can't)

And taking out hours will cut down a significant amount of harassment - enough that I decided to make a post about it.

Hey doesn't it suck how on WoW level 80 players repeatedly kill lower level players? They should take away level 80 and make 79 the max level, regardless of the fact that level 79 players would still persist in doing the exact same thing.

[Tigairius]

Could probably implement some "Hide hours" option for profiles, yes. The only issue would be having a new global-flag added, but if it's important enough it wouldn't be a problem.

The only question is: do a lot of people really care or is it just one person who needs some help getting people to stop harassing him?

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

Could probably implement some "Hide hours" option for profiles, yes. The only issue would be having a new global-flag added, but if it's important enough it wouldn't be a problem.

The only question is: do a lot of people really care or is it just one person who needs some help getting people to stop harassing him?

I have to say it's sad that this is even being considered.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

I have to say it's sad that this is even being considered.

Agreed.