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Kaimetsu · #**406** 04-24-2002, 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by GrowlZP2P

Actually, my original point was we lose skilled players who keep free GraalOnline up. The people who make the systems, scripts, levels and graphics that make people WANT to pay for playing Graal. Weedkiller kills flowers too.

Like who?

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Yes, I do have $15. In fact I have more and am perfectly willing to spend this on a Graal subscription. Unfortunately the fact that I'm not American removes the possibility of a 1-800 (ever heard of "long distance call charges"?), and the fact that I do not possess a credit card removes the possibility of PayPal. Thus I cannot upgrade. Swell, huh? (I've sent an email off to Graal asking if they have other methods of payment, such as cash or international money order. If they do then I will upgrade.)

Are you sure that's how the phone system will work? After all, the servers are across the globe - some in France, some in the US. I thought they just credited the normal charges to your phone bill or something.

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I appreciate perfectly that Graal needs money to keep it running. However, wouldn't a sort of "teaser" function, where you can play each p2p server for, say, a few minutes a day to see what you think, be better? Showing people what they get for their money before they make a commitment?

That is what they're doing. The thing with not saving data to the server.

Magus45z · #**407** 04-25-2002, 05:09 AM

You are on drugs this sucks

ZanderX · #**408** 04-25-2002, 05:56 AM

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Originally posted by Magus45z
You are on drugs this sucks

The idiot alert is going off the freaking scale.

LilNiglet · #**409** 04-25-2002, 07:28 AM

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Originally posted by Neonight

Hell, I'd suggest not even having the Graal client even on if you're going to make levels. If you have a crapload of RAM, then that's one thing. If you don't, then don't even bother trying to load 2 Graal clients at the same time. Most of our staff come on as RC accounts, and play on them because they can still warp to players if anyone ever needs it. Staff accounts are for RC--there's no use in giving some FAQ or NAT RC unless they seriously need it. It's just a waste of RC account. (npcserver) is one thing, since both programs are combined.

Not nice.

A NAT needs a RC.

Update levels.

FTP to test levels.

NC access.

Act as a GP when needed.

Neonight · #**410** 04-25-2002, 08:04 AM

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Originally posted by LilNiglet

Not nice.

A NAT needs a RC.

Update levels.

FTP to test levels.

NC access.

Act as a GP when needed.

I was talking about non-p2p since they do not have NC.

Neonight · #**411** 04-25-2002, 08:05 AM

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Originally posted by ZanderX

The idiot alert is going off the freaking scale.

My idiot sense in tingling!

Katmat, to the Katmobile!

GrowlZP2P · #**412** 04-25-2002, 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Like who?

As I outlined earlier, free servers are free. This is why they're popular, with staff as well as players.

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Are you sure that's how the phone system will work? After all, the servers are across the globe - some in France, some in the US. I thought they just credited the normal charges to your phone bill or something.

International calls are still charged at extortionate rates. And as far as I know being charged -$6.54 for a call is not possible on the fantastic UK telephone networks.

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That is what they're doing. The thing with not saving data to the server.

I meant just applying this idea to the current p2p system. Like, five minutes of G2K1 a day, before being kicked off. Sorry if that was unclear to anybody. After all, if more money is needed, why not tempt people rather than force 'em? Human beings resent being made to do things. If you have the choice you're more attracted to something. Example: which would you rather do, climb down a hole or be pushed?

Kaimetsu · #**413** 04-26-2002, 12:37 AM

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Originally posted by GrowlZP2P

As I outlined earlier, free servers are free. This is why they're popular, with staff as well as players.

Wait. Who with any value would we lose?

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International calls are still charged at extortionate rates. And as far as I know being charged -$6.54 for a call is not possible on the fantastic UK telephone networks.

I don't think you're reading anything I say.

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I meant just applying this idea to the current p2p system. Like, five minutes of G2K1 a day, before being kicked off. Sorry if that was unclear to anybody. After all, if more money is needed, why not tempt people rather than force 'em? Human beings resent being made to do things. If you have the choice you're more attracted to something. Example: which would you rather do, climb down a hole or be pushed?

Very bad example (one hurts, the other doesn't), but I get your drift. But they are doing a preview system - just not for P2P stuff. Maybe they could set up some thing so that if you've registered then you can play on the P2P servers with the same restrictions as non-registered people play on the non-P2P servers.

GrowlZP2P · #**414** 04-26-2002, 12:53 AM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Wait. Who with any value would we lose?

A few administrative staff scattered here and there. I'm not naming names because they could change their mind, but I know some who at least plan on quitting at present.

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I don't think you're reading anything I say.

I haven't? As far as I can see, you're saying that any international call charges would be refunded to your bill, charging just the $15 necessary for Graal subscription. And I believe I replied saying that having a phonecall add credit to your bill isn't possible in Britain.

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Very bad example (one hurts, the other doesn't), but I get your drift. But they are doing a preview system - just not for P2P stuff. Maybe they could set up some thing so that if you've registered then you can play on the P2P servers with the same restrictions as non-registered people play on the non-P2P servers.

I appreciate the example was a touch flawed, but I was just demonstrating that humans like choices. For once we appear to agree; that notion of registered users having limited access to p2p sounds viable to me.

On a slightly "brighter" (well, different) note, you appear to have blocked me on AIM. Either that or the GrowlZ1010 SN is broken, because I sure don't have you blocked. And you show up on all my other screen names. Odd, that.

Kaimetsu · #**415** 04-26-2002, 01:20 AM

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Originally posted by GrowlZP2P

A few administrative staff scattered here and there. I'm not naming names because they could change their mind, but I know some who at least plan on quitting at present.

Okay. Now, with the extra money, what would we gain?

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I haven't? As far as I can see, you're saying that any international call charges would be refunded to your bill, charging just the $15 necessary for Graal subscription. And I believe I replied saying that having a phonecall add credit to your bill isn't possible in Britain.

Then how do you think it's gonna work? We don't actually phone them, so they must do something like that.

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I appreciate the example was a touch flawed, but I was just demonstrating that humans like choices. For once we appear to agree; that notion of registered users having limited access to p2p sounds viable to me.

Yes, it would do us good to let them see G2K2 and all the other cool servers.

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On a slightly "brighter" (well, different) note, you appear to have blocked me on AIM. Either that or the GrowlZ1010 SN is broken, because I sure don't have you blocked. And you show up on all my other screen names. Odd, that.

I don't consciously remember doing it. Maybe you messaged me at a bad time or something. I'll unblock you.

Milkdude99 · #**416** 04-26-2002, 01:58 AM

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Originally posted by LilNiglet

Not nice.

A NAT needs a RC.

Update levels.

FTP to test levels.

NC access.

Act as a GP when needed.

A NAT does not need RC to test levels , that is what you have Lat Chiefs for and no untrained GP will ever act as a GP on Npulse, problem is too many idiots give excessive power to those who do not need it and have problems with the server because of it. Providence is a prime example of that.... you see what happened there recently.... I rest my case....

GangsterBebop · #**417** 04-26-2002, 02:05 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
A NAT does not need RC to test levels , that is what you have Lat Chiefs for and no untrained GP will ever act as a GP on Npulse, problem is too many idiots give excessive power to those who do not need it and have problems with the server because of it. Providence is a prime example of that.... you see what happened there recently.... I rest my case....

Providence is not something you can say is a example. The admins had trust in a all the LAT's. After one defected he deleted all the levels. So what? We caught up quite fast. Us at providence dont need "excessive power". We need RC cause some of us do multi-jobs. We dont have police, FAQ, or ET as far as I'm aware of. Just the basics, LAT's, GAT's, and NAT's. Most of providence is islands, so we gave the LAT's RC. This way they can download (not edit or upload) a island they have been told to work on. Then they upload them to a Temp Folder, and either a Admin, Owner, or me will upload it. This way it saves alot of time and they can keep their levels up all the time and test them. You of all people are not one to criticize the way we work things.

Kaimetsu · #**418** 04-26-2002, 02:06 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
A NAT does not need RC to test levels , that is what you have Lat Chiefs for

Wha?! No wonder your NPCs are so bad if the coders can't get fast script access for debugging/testing. Why would a LAT chief be more reliable than a NAT chief? If anything, scripters are more reliable due to the whole intelligence thing.

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and no untrained GP will ever act as a GP on Npulse, problem is too many idiots give excessive power to those who do not need it and have problems with the server because of it. Providence is a prime example of that.... you see what happened there recently.... I rest my case....

Sometimes it works. On G2K1 I played the role of GP and did it quite well.

GangsterBebop · #**419** 04-26-2002, 02:11 AM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu

Wha?! No wonder your NPCs are so bad if the coders can't get fast script access for debugging/testing. Why would a LAT chief be more reliable than a NAT chief? If anything, scripters are more reliable due to the whole intelligence thing.

Sometimes it works. On G2K1 I played the role of GP and did it quite well.

You saying LAT's are dumb? Meanie :-(

ZanderX · #**420** 04-26-2002, 02:24 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
A NAT does not need RC to test levels , that is what you have Lat Chiefs for and no untrained GP will ever act as a GP on Npulse, problem is too many idiots give excessive power to those who do not need it and have problems with the server because of it. Providence is a prime example of that.... you see what happened there recently.... I rest my case....

Oh, how I wish I was not at school and had access to my nice archive of funny SHUT UP pictures. Subtle hint there.