New Manager

[-Ramirez-]

Originally Posted by Terazel Tenjin

I wasn't really suggesting the idea of literally making old Classic on a new server.

Maybe you weren't, but I sure am.

Although I guess it doesn't matter anyway, since you (I think) need a gold account to even do things on a private playerworld. That's certainly not happening for me.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by -Ramirez-

Maybe you weren't, but I sure am.

Although I guess it doesn't matter anyway, since you (I think) need a gold account to even do things on a private playerworld. That's certainly not happening for me.

Storm said old levels could be converted freely but I'm sure he'd magic them back to Classic somehow.

[-Ramirez-]

Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

Storm said old levels could be converted freely but I'm sure he'd magic them back to Classic somehow.

Converted freely for use on Classic. Not elsewhere. At least that's how I understood it when I saw these same apparent quotes.

However, for some clarification of previous posts, I found this in the playerworld rules thread:
"With the exception of global content, all server-specific content (e.g. local levels, graphics and scripts) are to be used only on the server they were submitted to, unless it is permitted otherwise."

[TSAdmin]

Stop whining and make the best of a situation that you've been given. Like it or lump it, you asked for a review pending action, and you got it. While I admit to not being completely thrilled about the suggestion of Thor being a manager, I was not opposed to letting it play out since if you want my honest original standing: I said

"Let Storm do his job and weed out the dead weight of those who would in turn refuse to work for him should this be the outcome."

This is backup, rather than screwing someone over completely or throwing the "We're not going to do anything at all" ball at you. Storm is not incapable of fulfilling his duties, though he may need support where possible. Thor is a seriously large, important part of that support.

Earlier today, Rufus spoke to me via PM about how dissatisfied he was with the decision, but the bottom line is and always will be exactly how I responded:

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

[...]and if another manager were chosen that you supported, I'd be having this conversation with someone else. Not everyone was going to be happy with ANY decision. Realise that.

[StrykerTFFD]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

This is backup, rather than screwing someone over completely or throwing the "We're not going to do anything at all" ball at you. Storm is not incapable of fulfilling his duties, though he may need support where possible. Thor is a seriously large, important part of that support.

If support were the case you would've made him Asst. Manager instead of giving him equal say to Storm. Thor has final say, but so does Storm. That shouldn't be the way it is.

Don't downplay what this really is. It's insulting.

[Kill]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Talking about Pokemon Cards or flirting with the 13 year old Shannon is certainly not doing research

Hilarious yet such a valid point indeed.

To be perfectly clear; I don't really understand how 3 admins who haven't played the server in the last 5 years (or more) can just come along and conclude such a vital decision that could've removed it from stagnation; without knowing everything or every aspect of the server.
Of course if you converse with people on RC or look at private forums they will show you all the positive changes they've made.
Never the true or the reality of things.

Just because someone is active and making any content regardless of quality or not the direction that Classic should be heading in; doesn't mean you have to motivate the guy by making him Manager so that he doesn't stop making things.
Thor should've stayed as Dev Admin, he is not a Manager. He is not good with people. How can the PWA not add 1 + 1 to get 2?

As for Storm - he has done virtually NOTHING in the last 5 years, and has been really inactive during those years. Yet when his position is in doubt, he logs on acting as if he's working by bsing the players with fancy words in a polite manner - and all of a sudden PWA are assured that he is now Storm 2.0.

There's just one word to describe all of this: Absurd.

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

If support were the case you would've made him Asst. Manager instead of giving him equal say to Storm. Thor has final say, but so does Storm. That shouldn't be the way it is.

Don't downplay what this really is. It's insulting.

I'm not downplaying anything. I agree that one should be able to override the other, but that doesn't mean the view is shared by everyone. I am not ashamed to even share my final post on the topic in the Global Forum:

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

Any decision that involves his movement or removal from the Managers position is going to attract fits, but I do see where ______ [omitted to avoid targeted finger pointing] is coming from. He stays there = fit's, too. I, too, am not entirely thrilled about demoting Storm, but he'd have to understand that it's not a removal from the overall ManageMENT. They have their differences, but I don't see it getting TOO out of hand if Thor were to join Storm in this form, and I doubt Thor would be heartless enough to exercise his immediate right to remove Storm and appoint another Co-Manager.

I think what we have to keep in mind is that there is going to be fits no matter what we decide, but the level of fit differs from choice to choice. Storm fits, or another 4 years of fits because we did nothing? At least he's not losing total control, and if he can handle that, great.

I'm okay with the suggestion, not thrilled, but I can see it's benefits.

It doesn't bother me that the posts following mine lead to the others discussing a direct "joint manager" position rather than a Manager/Co-Manager duo leading to that becoming the official announcement, though.

Originally Posted by Kill

To be perfectly clear; I don't really understand how 3 admins who haven't played the server in the last 5 years (or more) can just come along and conclude such a vital decision that could've removed it from stagnation;

We were called in by you, yourselves. Not all of you, I'm not even pointing you out, either, Kill. But the PWA didn't just walk in unannounced or uninvited.

[DutchGuy]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

I'm not downplaying anything. I agree that one should be able to override the other, but that doesn't mean the view is shared by everyone. I am not ashamed to even share my final post on the topic in the Global Forum:



It doesn't bother me that the posts following mine lead to the others discussing a direct "joint manager" position rather than a Manager/Co-Manager duo leading to that becoming the official announcement, though.




We were called in by you, yourselves. Not all of you, I'm not even pointing you out, either, Kill. But the PWA didn't just walk in unannounced or uninvited.

Kill is saying that you should stick to your gas producing bullet flying noob era server and leave us the heck alone

[Kill]

We were called in by you, yourselves. Not all of you, I'm not even pointing you out, either, Kill. But the PWA didn't just walk in unannounced or uninvited.

You misunderstood what I was trying to say. We wanted you guys to do a full detailed constructed review whereby you looked at ALL the aspects of the server. Based on your decision alone, you have not done this.
Also, you singled out my opening statement of my full paragraph. If you quoted it fully (assuming you read it) you would've understood what I was trying to get at.

TSA you were invited, but the way you and your team approached this was all wrong.
I hope it's not like this in the future, you guys look like a complete and utter joke as of now.

Kill is saying that you should stick to your gas producing bullet flying noob era server and leave us the heck alone

No I am not. I'm just appauled by how his team didn't do the necessary paperwork or research needed to conclude such a decision.

[-Ramirez-]

Originally Posted by DutchGuy

Kill is saying that you should stick to your gas producing bullet flying noob era server and leave us the heck alone

Do you honestly think saying this is productive? ...

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by -Ramirez-

Do you honestly think saying this is productive? ...

I'm sure he's just expressing and focusing his frustration on my past. Sure, I may not get on Classic, specifically, and spend 18 hours of my day getting to know the people there, but null that detail, it does not mean I am directly positioning myself solely on Era. I get around, I can assure him that, and I'm sure the people on Zodaic, Val, UN, etc can vouch for my random, off-duty, friendly "Hello"s.

[Kill]

So you don't have a response to what I said?

[DutchGuy]

Originally Posted by Kill

So you don't have a response to what I said?

indeed...he's still regretting his descision.

[Kill]

Can you stop acting like I'm insulting him?
If you want to downgrade TSA as a person; do it yourself, he did a great job as Era Manager and i've seen him on other servers too.
Take your banter elsewhere please.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Alright, time for me to speak up, now that I've been able to get some sleep.
While I'm going to remain neutral about this new Thorm management specifically,
I am not going to remain neutral of the PWA awful handling of the aftermath this has created.

Yeah, you made your final decision, guess what? It wasn't the change the people wanted here. I'm not speaking for myself either, obviously with such a negative poll number about the decision(Current results to has the PWA made the correct decision is 5 Yes to 21 No) and this much outcry from it on the forums and in game. While I agree the PWA should have to defend their judgement and explain to the masses on why they came to such a decision, while answering their specific quieries in such a polite manner, that is not what is happening at all.

The general theme coming from various PWA members at any time is to tell the people to 'quit whining'(that was how TSA STARTED OFF). Quit trying to fight with these players that don't agree with you, pick them apart and argue with them. I'm not talking about one specific instance either.

Between the 3 PWA members, we've had Tig log onto RC and pick fights with Stryker, we've had Tig come on here and pick a fight with Rufus, who isnt even an admin or staff member here, a player. we have TSAdmin doing that with Kill now, albiet in a more professional attempt.

The general reaction of the PWA to the player outcry of the decision that they made has been negative and hostile. I can see the reasoning behind their outcry, the decision arrived to, has been that nearly opposite the views of the players in general, it certainly is of this 20+ page thread we're in now.

One of the biggest issues on classic is the low player and staff morale about the server in general. This has been a big thing I have been dedicating myself to fix as much as I can. The PWA right now is completely throwing all of the players morale into the toilet. The decision was going to generate hostility, DEAL WITH IT. Act like global administrators for christ's sake. This isn't some damn flame war, this is GLOBAL STAFF interacting with PLAYERS but it sure as hell isn't how its coming off. If this is how you guys are going to react and interact with the players, please, go away, far far away from Classic, I don't need the player and staff morale going down FURTHER because you guys can't take a little heat without getting butthurt.