New Manager

[StrykerTFFD]

Signs of a Fail Review:

1) Miscommunication among the PWA: Check, not once but twice that we know of.

2) Lack of communication between PWA and Staff on the server: Check.

3) No noticeable observation of the server by PWA: Check.

4) Cop out solution that solves nothing and furthers problems: Check.

5) A solution that leaves the majority angry and the PWA saying "wait and see": Check.

Should I continue? Why did it take so long for you guys to decide to just have two Managers? Clearly you don't want to fire Storm but you don't trust Storm to stay active. What?

What should have been done in terms of how a review should be done was not done. It almost feels as if the PWA's definition of a review is "Wait a week or two then try to give everyone what they want." Bottom line this "second review" was more bogus than the "first review".

[Rufus]

To be fair, TSAdmin and Skyld both agreed on wanting Storm to keep his position. It was Tig who forced this Thor idea into it and now I understand why he got so upset and singled out my post.

[Bell]

Originally Posted by Luda

I think it's ****ing stupid that storm gets by yet again, surprised you let this happen Bell

If I remember correctly, I was under the distinct impression that my involvement would not be acceptable since I may be biased toward the current management staff. That's exactly why this second review was done.

I asked a few questions in the private forums but stayed out of the discussion other than that. When the review was over, I posted the results, so I don't see how let or didn't let anything happen.

[Terazel Tenjin]

What's the better option here for the dissatisfied populace? Suck it up and work with Storm and hope for the best outcome, or start work on their own server and bring all of their wants and ideas to life with the Classic talent pool that don't want to accept the Storm option?

It's painfully obvious to see that people aren't happy with the decision, but it went through official investigation and review. Not commenting on the validity of the reviews, just pointing out that it's the official word.

[-Ramirez-]

Originally Posted by Terazel Tenjin

or start work on their own server and bring all of their wants and ideas to life with the Classic talent pool that don't want to accept the Storm option

That's an interesting idea, but I'm curious as to whether or not essentially stealing all of Classic's old (and obviously some of which is still used) content would be allowed.

[Terazel Tenjin]

Originally Posted by -Ramirez-

That's an interesting idea, but I'm curious as to whether or not essentially stealing all of Classic's old (and obviously some of which is still used) content would be allowed.

I don't imagine it'd be too hard to put a new spin on old (and ultimately unused) content from Back in the Golden Days, and then build on top of that with what people of this Classic's generation want to see/have. But that is a fantastic question though, one that maybe the PWA will answer since they're on the horn in this thread (as to which level of "borrowing" or "mimicing" old/unused content from Original Classic is allowed). I wasn't really suggesting the idea of literally making old Classic on a new server.

[-Ramirez-]

Originally Posted by Terazel Tenjin

I wasn't really suggesting the idea of literally making old Classic on a new server.

Maybe you weren't, but I sure am.

Although I guess it doesn't matter anyway, since you (I think) need a gold account to even do things on a private playerworld. That's certainly not happening for me.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by -Ramirez-

Maybe you weren't, but I sure am.

Although I guess it doesn't matter anyway, since you (I think) need a gold account to even do things on a private playerworld. That's certainly not happening for me.

Storm said old levels could be converted freely but I'm sure he'd magic them back to Classic somehow.

[Unpredlctable]

ziplock for manager tbh

[TSAdmin]

Stop whining and make the best of a situation that you've been given. Like it or lump it, you asked for a review pending action, and you got it. While I admit to not being completely thrilled about the suggestion of Thor being a manager, I was not opposed to letting it play out since if you want my honest original standing: I said

"Let Storm do his job and weed out the dead weight of those who would in turn refuse to work for him should this be the outcome."

This is backup, rather than screwing someone over completely or throwing the "We're not going to do anything at all" ball at you. Storm is not incapable of fulfilling his duties, though he may need support where possible. Thor is a seriously large, important part of that support.

Earlier today, Rufus spoke to me via PM about how dissatisfied he was with the decision, but the bottom line is and always will be exactly how I responded:

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

[...]and if another manager were chosen that you supported, I'd be having this conversation with someone else. Not everyone was going to be happy with ANY decision. Realise that.

[StrykerTFFD]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

This is backup, rather than screwing someone over completely or throwing the "We're not going to do anything at all" ball at you. Storm is not incapable of fulfilling his duties, though he may need support where possible. Thor is a seriously large, important part of that support.

If support were the case you would've made him Asst. Manager instead of giving him equal say to Storm. Thor has final say, but so does Storm. That shouldn't be the way it is.

Don't downplay what this really is. It's insulting.

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

If support were the case you would've made him Asst. Manager instead of giving him equal say to Storm. Thor has final say, but so does Storm. That shouldn't be the way it is.

Don't downplay what this really is. It's insulting.

I'm not downplaying anything. I agree that one should be able to override the other, but that doesn't mean the view is shared by everyone. I am not ashamed to even share my final post on the topic in the Global Forum:

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

Any decision that involves his movement or removal from the Managers position is going to attract fits, but I do see where ______ [omitted to avoid targeted finger pointing] is coming from. He stays there = fit's, too. I, too, am not entirely thrilled about demoting Storm, but he'd have to understand that it's not a removal from the overall ManageMENT. They have their differences, but I don't see it getting TOO out of hand if Thor were to join Storm in this form, and I doubt Thor would be heartless enough to exercise his immediate right to remove Storm and appoint another Co-Manager.

I think what we have to keep in mind is that there is going to be fits no matter what we decide, but the level of fit differs from choice to choice. Storm fits, or another 4 years of fits because we did nothing? At least he's not losing total control, and if he can handle that, great.

I'm okay with the suggestion, not thrilled, but I can see it's benefits.

It doesn't bother me that the posts following mine lead to the others discussing a direct "joint manager" position rather than a Manager/Co-Manager duo leading to that becoming the official announcement, though.

Originally Posted by Kill

To be perfectly clear; I don't really understand how 3 admins who haven't played the server in the last 5 years (or more) can just come along and conclude such a vital decision that could've removed it from stagnation;

We were called in by you, yourselves. Not all of you, I'm not even pointing you out, either, Kill. But the PWA didn't just walk in unannounced or uninvited.

[DutchGuy]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

I'm not downplaying anything. I agree that one should be able to override the other, but that doesn't mean the view is shared by everyone. I am not ashamed to even share my final post on the topic in the Global Forum:



It doesn't bother me that the posts following mine lead to the others discussing a direct "joint manager" position rather than a Manager/Co-Manager duo leading to that becoming the official announcement, though.




We were called in by you, yourselves. Not all of you, I'm not even pointing you out, either, Kill. But the PWA didn't just walk in unannounced or uninvited.

Kill is saying that you should stick to your gas producing bullet flying noob era server and leave us the heck alone

[-Ramirez-]

Originally Posted by DutchGuy

Kill is saying that you should stick to your gas producing bullet flying noob era server and leave us the heck alone

Do you honestly think saying this is productive? ...

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

This is backup, rather than screwing someone over completely or throwing the "We're not going to do anything at all" ball at you. Storm is not incapable of fulfilling his duties, though he may need support where possible. Thor is a seriously large, important part of that support.

Thor is so much support for Storm. I mean, he totally wasn't telling people he was considering holding back releases on content incase they made Storm look good and therefore keep his position. You might not have known this but Bell did.