onRemotePlayerChats(obj, str) for NPC's

[Skyld]

Originally Posted by Cloven

And it's relatively easy to filter out the commonly used filter evasion tactics. Most people simply just do not do it.

Personally speaking I think a word filter is useless. It would be much more efficient and logical to have an option to ignore/unignore an individual player's chat in-game, which would simply prevent the ignored player's chat from being displayed to the ignoring player at all.

PHP Code:

function onRemotePlayerChats(temp.obj, temp.chat)
{
  if (temp.obj.isignored)
  {
    temp.obj.chat = "";
  }
} 


Goes hand-in-hand with the playerlist ignore function. Sorted.

[xXziroXx]

Folks, can we please get back to the original issue? Crow, make your own thread >:/

[Cloven]

Originally Posted by Skyld

PHP Code:

function onRemotePlayerChats(temp.obj, temp.chat)
{
  if (temp.obj.isignored)
  {
    temp.obj.chat = "";
  }
} 


Goes hand-in-hand with the playerlist ignore function. Sorted.

Yeah see that's nice and simple.

Originally Posted by Dusty

Because there are varying degrees of what people want to tolerate? Some people just don't like to hear cursing, it doesn't mean they don't ever want to hear what a person has to say. Most of the time it doesn't even come down to insults. Sometimes people just don't like to hear/see the words, whether they are meant in an insulting way or not. If this is a private thing, why does it matter to anyone else what this person wants to censor for their own personal benefit?

This just seems like nonsense to me. 'I want to see what you have to say but I don't want to see all of what you say'. If there are actually more than a handful of people who are that up-tight and anal regarding such a thing I am literally frightened. If you're uncomfortable with a person's language you are uncomfortable with that person in general and would have no reason to care what it is they're talking about. If an 8-year-old is capable of having a conversation without needlessly using profanity, so is a person in the age range of 13-50+. The fact of the matter is that people need to conduct themselves with a little more tact and class than they tend to. It's certainly not as though using profanity adds anything to a conversation, and having hangups over someone using "bad words" is rather pathetic in itself (though that's a totally different discussion).

In any event, other servers are of course free to implement whatever rules and deterrents they choose to implement, and my feelings on the matter only reflect my own opinion and intentions not to implement what I consider unnecessary on a server in which I am responsible for. I'm pretty simple in that regard: You either need to ignore someone, or it isn't big enough of a deal whatever it is they're saying.

Again, I don't disagree that some of what you said has merit, I just don't agree that a filter is a necessary device in general.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

Folks, can we please get back to the original issue? Crow, make your own thread >:/

THREAD HIJACK!caps

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Cloven

This just seems like nonsense to me. 'I want to see what you have to say but I don't want to see all of what you say'. If there are actually more than a handful of people who are that up-tight and anal regarding such a thing I am literally frightened. If you're uncomfortable with a person's language you are uncomfortable with that person in general and would have no reason to care what it is they're talking about. If an 8-year-old is capable of having a conversation without needlessly using profanity, so is a person in the age range of 13-50+. The fact of the matter is that people need to conduct themselves with a little more tact and class than they tend to. It's certainly not as though using profanity adds anything to a conversation, and having hangups over someone using "bad words" is rather pathetic in itself (though that's a totally different discussion).

In any event, other servers are of course free to implement whatever rules and deterrents they choose to implement, and my feelings on the matter only reflect my own opinion and intentions not to implement what I consider unnecessary on a server in which I am responsible for. I'm pretty simple in that regard: You either need to ignore someone, or it isn't big enough of a deal whatever it is they're saying.

Again, I don't disagree that some of what you said has merit, I just don't agree that a filter is a necessary device in general.

It's not nonsense, it's peoples opinions. It's basically a lot of how cursing and censoring works. A lot of people believe that someone can get their point across without spewing a profanity every other word. They want to hear their point, but they don't want to hear the unnecessary cursing. Censoring profanity works this way because people may be interested in something but not want to see/hear some things they may not agree with. Why is it nonsense? Like I said, it's their own personal choice, no one else would be forced to be censored because they do, so why is it that big of a deal? Why does it have to be "I either want to listen to you or I don't"? That' such a black and white stance, when there is plenty of room for various mid-points and balance. I think it's silly to try to push your views as superior and others as nonsense just because you don't agree with them, especially with something as minor and non-invasive to you as this.

As for the original topic, it's done, what more is there to talk about, really?

[Cloven]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

It's not nonsense, it's peoples opinions. It's basically a lot of how cursing and censoring works. A lot of people believe that someone can get their point across without spewing a profanity every other word. They want to hear their point, but they don't want to hear the unnecessary cursing. Censoring profanity works this way because people may be interested in something but not want to see/hear some things they may not agree with. Why is it nonsense? Like I said, it's their own personal choice, no one else would be forced to be censored because they do, so why is it that big of a deal? Why does it have to be "I either want to listen to you or I don't"? That' such a black and white stance, when there is plenty of room for various mid-points and balance. I think it's silly to try to push your views as superior and others as nonsense just because you don't agree with them, especially with something as minor and non-invasive to you as this.

As for the original topic, it's done, what more is there to talk about, really?

I made it a point to state an opinion and say that my opinion was just an opinion. I certainly didn't say that the entirety of my opinion was superior, as I'm sure others such as yourself disagree, and that's also fine. I'm sure there are people who feel the same way you do, though I don't suspect that would end up falling into a majority categorization. I definitely agree that communicating with profanity is a substandard method of communication, but certainly people have the maturity to either disregard the profanity or ignore it outright. I personally see this specific instance as a black and white issue, but if players were more in favor of the filter method as a whole I would be happy to oblige their wishes. I would include the ignore option as another option for those cases that may constitute a more extreme measure.

Regarding the original topic, I'll just echo what Dusty said.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Cloven

I made it a point to state an opinion and say that my opinion was just an opinion. I certainly didn't say that the entirety of my opinion was superior, as I'm sure others such as yourself disagree, and that's also fine. I'm sure there are people who feel the same way you do, though I don't suspect that would end up falling into a majority categorization. I definitely agree that communicating with profanity is a substandard method of communication, but certainly people have the maturity to either disregard the profanity or ignore it outright. I personally see this specific instance as a black and white issue, but if players were more in favor of the filter method as a whole I would be happy to oblige their wishes.

Regarding the original topic, I'll just echo what Dusty said.

Why do they have to disregard it or ignore it if there is an alternative method? Why should we be so dictating over how people address their own views? Why should you force your opinion over theirs via gameplay methods? If I can allow someone to censor profanity because they want to, then I'll let them instead of forcing my own opinion of 'deal with it or ignore it completely'. In the end, they're the ones playing the server, not me or you.

[Cloven]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Why do they have to disregard it or ignore it if there is an alternative method? Why should we be so dictating over how people address their own views? Why should you force your opinion over theirs via gameplay methods? If I can allow someone to censor profanity because they want to, then I'll let them instead of forcing my own opinion of 'deal with it or ignore it completely'. In the end, they're the ones playing the server, not me or you.

I just said that if my players wanted a filter I would make it available. I added that I would also include an ignore option for those who wish and/or need to use it. It's the best of both worlds, having more choices as a player. I'm confused why you still seem to be arguing about this when I've already provided you with a more than acceptable compromise to my original suggestion (one that even agrees with your own).

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Cloven

I just said that if my players wanted a filter I would make it available. I added that I would also include an ignore option for those who wish and/or need to use it. It's the best of both worlds, having more choices as a player. I'm confused why you still seem to be arguing about this when I've already provided you with a more than acceptable compromise to my original suggestion (one that even agrees with your own).

Because no one ever said they'd exclude an ignore feature, lol... so I'm not exactly sure where you came to the conclusion that swear filter meant never having an ignore feature. Especially when we were only discussing the mechanics.

[Cloven]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Because no one ever said they'd exclude an ignore feature, lol... so I'm not exactly sure where you came to the conclusion that swear filter meant never having an ignore feature. Especially when we were only discussing the mechanics.

I simply meant (and I believe I stated) that on a personal level I'd rather just have solely an ignore option. That doesn't mean of course that I am necessarily correct in assuming that should somehow be the global standard, because as you said people have varying degrees of feelings regarding the matter in general. I also never drew the conclusion that a swear filter meant disregarding an ignore feature, it just wasn't really stated beforehand. In the future, I'd suggest that you ASSuming facts not in evidence can occasionally be a bad thing, and if for some reason one of my posts inferred that I was ASSuming to some extent as well then I will apologize for doing so and take this opportunity to clarify. I'd encourage you to do the same.