why are all you developers making terrible non-classic servers?

[kia345]

Originally Posted by zephirot

I think you're missing a word there, mang.

Call that classic WHATEVER

Originally Posted by Hiro

otherwise, don't point the blame to "servers in general" because that doesn't help anything.

Then don't blame the themed servers. If we keep making classic servers, like you want, we'd be in the same position as we are now: a lot of worthless servers. At least with servers like Era and Zodiac you can get a (slightly) different experience on each one. As far as I'm concerned, we need one "good" classic server, and then all these non-classic servers that you're so quick to call out.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by kia345

Then don't blame the themed servers. If we keep making classic servers, like you want, we'd be in the same position as we are now: a lot of worthless servers. At least with servers like Era and Zodiac you can get a (slightly) different experience on each one. As far as I'm concerned, we need one "good" classic server, and then all these non-classic servers that you're so quick to call out.

i doubt we would be in the same position we are now if we only had classic oriented servers, because it's my bet that we'd have a higher density of players split among classic servers than we currently do jammed into the themed. it doesn't seem like you are understanding my point here, and it doesn't seem like you have any solutions either.

and no, delteria is not the answer to classic servers, at least from what i can see so far. while it may have a new feel, overworld, and graphics, it is not-at least from what i can see-going to be anything special, and won't fulfill what we need. this might be because nothing has been said about delteria in a long time, and honestly with it's current population of players it should have gone back to being a UC or hosted server until it could re-release again, but from the current stand point, what is delteria even doing? i thought it had all died down because it's community has broken, what with MHX and veracity gone along with their core players from back in the day; not from development. maybe someone with more inside information can fill us (or at least me) in.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Hiro

and no, delteria is not the answer to classic servers, at least from what i can see so far. while it may have a new feel, overworld, and graphics, it is not-at least from what i can see-going to be anything special, and won't fulfill what we need. this might be because nothing has been said about delteria in a long time, and honestly with it's current population of players it should have gone back to being a UC or hosted server until it could re-release again, but from the current stand point, what is delteria even doing? i thought it had all died down because it's community has broken, what with MHX and veracity gone along with their core players from back in the day; not from development. maybe someone with more inside information can fill us (or at least me) in.

How can you say Delteria is not going to be anything special, and then admit you haven't heard or seen anything from the new project?

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

How can you say Delteria is not going to be anything special, and then admit you haven't heard or seen anything from the new project?

i've been on the server for hours at a time and looked around. that doesn't mean i have any knowledge of what their "story" for the server will be, what type of economy would be there, what types of events they'll try to hold, or, generally, what the main focus of the server will be. from just being on the server itself and talking to the limited players who go on it, and from lurking the delteria forums, it doesn't seem all that special. hence why i asked for someone to shed some light on what i'm ignorant on so maybe i can change my opinion, but currently it doesn't seem to fit what's needed.

[Gambet]

Originally Posted by Hiro

hence why i asked for someone to shed some light on what i'm ignorant on so maybe i can change my opinion, but currently it doesn't seem to fit what's needed.

Delteria's graphics on the dev server (based on screenshots) are nothing short of amazing. I can't say anything about gameplay, though, since I have yet to see any of it. Most Delteria staff have outside obligations since most are older than your average 10-17 year old Graalian, so development I hear is done in short spurts. Quite a shame, really.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Gambet

so development I hear is done in short spurts. Quite a shame, really.

I honestly think that's for the best. Constant development would make it rushed and sloppy (Zodiac?) or they'd grow tired of it and it would fall off the radar (Crystia?)


More Classic servers won't help anything, because a classic server calls for a classic experience. You don't need 4 servers all with the classic feel, just 1 or 2 very nice ones. The themed servers are the backbones of Graal. It's their experiences that draw in players, and hold them until more come on to replace them. Just because you don't like Era and Zodiac doesn't mean they suck. I don't like them either, but I'm not going to call 140~ people (the majority of Graal) wrong. More unique servers mean more to do. More Classic servers mean more of the same. I'm not saying the Classic servers suck, I'm saying your solution sucks because of massive nostalgia goggles. 12 classic servers will not save Graal, 12 themed servers all based around different things will make Graal more enjoyable. That's not to say that every unique server some random kid makes is awesome, but it's a lot better than a couple levels and NPCs that change your gani.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by kia345

I honestly think that's for the best. Constant development would make it rushed and sloppy (Zodiac?) or they'd grow tired of it and it would fall off the radar (Crystia?)


More Classic servers won't help anything, because a classic server calls for a classic experience. You don't need 4 servers all with the classic feel, just 1 or 2 very nice ones. The themed servers are the backbones of Graal. It's their experiences that draw in players, and hold them until more come on to replace them. Just because you don't like Era and Zodiac doesn't mean they suck. I don't like them either, but I'm not going to call 140~ people (the majority of Graal) wrong. More unique servers mean more to do. More Classic servers mean more of the same. I'm not saying the Classic servers suck, I'm saying your solution sucks because of massive nostalgia goggles. 12 classic servers will not save Graal, 12 themed servers all based around different things will make Graal more enjoyable. That's not to say that every unique server some random kid makes is awesome, but it's a lot better than a couple levels and NPCs that change your gani.

i'm arguing for quality, not quantity.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Hiro

i'm arguing for quality, not quantity.

You implied the problem was "terrible non-classic servers", when in reality the problem is "terrible servers in general".

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by kia345

You implied the problem was "terrible non-classic servers", when in reality the problem is "terrible servers in general".

...to which i said wasn't the point and wasn't productive? you are just making us go around in circles, whats the point?