Why are inactive playerworlds on classic list?

[Lyndzey]

Originally Posted by James205

Why was I not contacted by a PWA about the removal from the classic list?

I heard NOTHING about this until now. I don't give a crap if someone posts a thread at GCC, if they have intentions to remove SL they need to contact me about it on why. I don't want "Because Crono's said so." because that is ridiculous.

I agree with a lot you guys said but now I am pissed because I was not contacted properly.

Loakey was listed as the Manager of SL in the server options, so Vulcan talked to him about it being put on the invisible list. None of us were aware that you were still working on the server.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by James205

Why was I not contacted by a PWA about the removal from the classic list?

Osnaps :[

I heard NOTHING about this until now. I don't give a crap if someone posts a thread at GCC, if they have intentions to remove SL they need to contact me about it on why.

I thought they did.

I don't want "Because Crono's said so." because that is ridiculous.

Man I am GOD. How can you say that answer is not acceptable :'[?

I agree with a lot you guys said but now I am pissed because I was not contacted properly.

But isn't it hidden now?

Loakey_P2P's unspaced paragraph of doom

I don't care what he hell's been happening, SL is dead and has been for many years. It just keeps re-releasing, has maybe 100 players for that day, and it dies faster than the server's NPC server.

[Maniaman]

Loakey_P2P: split that into paragraphs please.

[LOA--Paul]

He makes some good points in there. Not reading it because it's not spaced is fairly dumb.

[Crono]

So tell me, when was the last time SL had a stable playerbase above 5?

Keyword stable.

[zim5354]

Originally Posted by Gerami

So tell me, when was the last time SL had a stable playerbase above 5?

Keyword stable.

LAWL,when it was re-re-opend silly

Why isnt Zodiac on the list honestly its a Hosted server and its got more people then some classic servers.

[-Ching]

Aww hrr4 has given up on Graal? I'll miss that guy

[Eagle]

Just wondering, who was contacted regarding Bomy Lands?

[Thallen]

Originally Posted by Eagle

Just wondering, who was contacted regarding Bomy Lands?

There's no rule that says someone has to be contacted before a playerworld is taken off the list. You act like Bomy Lands, or Shaded Legend for that matter, never thought 'hey, no one plays this server, we might eventually get shut down.'

Removing both playerworlds from the list was a smart thing.

[Crono]

Anywho, about Delteria.

Most of the time it sits there collecting dust, with a wooping playercount of 0-5. Sometimes it may get a touch from god and boost up to 10-15 but thats about it. It's developing as a dev server anyway.

[irule13]

i didnt read the whole thread but, shaded legend should be put under new management, i think it could be a good server if they had active staff updating it, but every time i have gone on there was never a single staff on.

[kenyonandelliot]

Originally Posted by irule13

shaded legend should be put under new management, i think it could be a good server if they had active staff updating it, but every time i have gone on there was never a single staff on.

Shaded Legend is active, and it is a good server. You don't see any staff on because they're working on a Dev Server.

Originally Posted by irule13

i didnt read the whole thread

I can see that.

[thrashsoul]

I don't understand how you guys think making a new overworld will get players or something... You have to have some sort of god damn content.

[Loakey_P2P]

Originally Posted by ApothiX

Enlighten me, Oh great Buddah. Why does it have such a low playercount, if the reason is not because it utterly blows?

ok , explain un ? the server completlly blow's and it has one of the highest player count's of any server 95% of the time . im seeing that christian need to explain everything , even if there's nothing behind it but a person's theory.

Originally Posted by thrashsoul

I don't understand how you guys think making a new overworld will get players or something... You have to have some sort of god damn content.

ok , were not making a whole new ow . the ow is the least of the project , and all were doing is cleaning it up and putting everything where it was suppose to go in the first place . creating a whole new ow would be as you basically said , a waste of time . the player's arnt gona care about a server just couse of a quick level revamp . the main reason behind this work on sl was due to old improperlly scripted ncp's . beside's to finaly finish the server .but enough about sl . what about bab , i havent heard squat about that server in forever . as for del , i like the new tiles and new look but i dont like how resticted they have become . i went there once looking for a job and the staff wouldnt answer my pm's asking where to go . i eventually changed my nick to something stupid like looking for a lat job and got jailed . and still am there after what ? six month's . after that i had little respect for the staff of the server itself . i can see jailing a person for nick abuse but it would have to be a real graal rule for me to except the jailing . being jailed for asking about a job just made me mad enough to never go back there again .

[LordVyse]

Why isnt Babylon public?

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by LordVyse

Why isnt Babylon public?

Because much like the playerworlds outlined in this thread.
The playerwould would peak because it would be new to some people.

then it would be dead

Aside from its usual 40 online staff that is.

[Malinko]

Originally Posted by LordVyse

Why isnt Babylon public?

Be patient.

Don't worry, Crono, some past Managers of Babylon are jealous they don't have the world now. Also jealous they couldn't have much success as others. Heh.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Malinko

Don't worry, Crono, some past Managers of Babylon are jealous they don't have the world now. Also jealous they couldn't have much success as others. Heh.

Spoilers: You backed out of my other thread because you know everything I said is right. You run and hide behind this horrible act of yours so that people will think you are some kind of great Manager. Sorry, your decision making skills as well as your PR and People skills have driven me to the conclusion that you dont know what you are talking about.

Sorry If i ruined a great story for anyone by revealing the end.

Originally Posted by Gerami

some stuff

Protip: You cant have it both ways.

How can the playerworld be dead but also active? (Which is what I gathered from your post). I have had more time and effort put into babylon then both of you two put togather. I am not even entirely mad at Crono because he is cool, but Malinko you continue to be entirely disrespectful to everyone who ever did anything for that server.

Crono I have been on babylon a very long time, by 40 online staff I mean 20 Staff members using 20 RC's. I dont know how long youve been around, but for Eye, Kish, and Alexander. That was not uncommon for the playercount to be 40+ and they only be Staff Members and Their RCs, I see nothing different in the way that things may happen in the future.

Please elaborate.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

How can the playerworld be dead but also active? (Which is what I gathered from your post). I have had more time and effort put into babylon then both of you two put togather.

Possibly so, I do remember you were manager for a while when that playerhouse town was north east of the map. You wore a blue and white outfit I think?

It's dead in the fact that it's dev, but will be active once in the classic tab. That's how I see it anyway.

I am not even entirely mad at Crono because he is cool

<3 <3 <3

Crono I have been on babylon a very long time, by 40 online staff I mean 20 Staff members using 20 RC's.

I thought you meant on today's babylon. Hehe. It's more like 15 RC's thanks to someone's LOL FAQS SHUOLD HAVE RCS. Don't worry, I DC everyone.

I dont know how long youve been around, but for Eye, Kish, and Alexander. That was not uncommon for the playercount to be 40+ and they only be Staff Members and Their RCs, I see nothing different in the way that things may happen in the future.

I have been around since LH managed the launch of babylon, but I was never SO active until early 2003. Then I went off and came back in I think 2004. I can't remember clearly, babylon has gone through too many changes. Manager wise, OW wise, and such.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Possibly so, I do remember you were manager for a while when that playerhouse town was north east of the map. You wore a blue and white outfit I think?

Blue and White and head1212, good memory

It's dead in the fact that it's dev, but will be active once in the classic tab. That's how I see it anyway.

Thats how any playerworld staff would like to see their playerworld, and there is a slight chance you might be right. However history is working against you, plus Malinko and Artanis's bad stigma. I am not taking anything away from the server, but rightfully so I have more then enough reasons to be upset about what is happening right now.

I thought you meant on today's babylon. Hehe. It's more like 15 RC's thanks to someone's LOL FAQS SHUOLD HAVE RCS. Don't worry, I DC everyone.

I cant judge todays babylon, I can only judge from history and what I saw when I was on when it had 140 People, And I counted 20 online staff, on their RC. Sure that means 100 of the people were NOT staff, but why were they there? Covered in other threads the reasons some people showed up. They were shocked babylon had players, so they logged on. Most people continued that trend, myself included. Before that there were tons of reports of people massing on other worlds such as UN that Babylon was giving Free NPCs.

Later on when players ask "Will we get to keep all these?" the answer they want to hear is given to them, "Yes". Later on it is discovered that infact, they will not be able to keep all their "Free" npcs "Free" hearts or "Free" Sword/Shieldpower. So why would anyone leave a server they have everything on and hundreds or thousands of hours, to start fresh somewhere with High Staff members who already have a trend of being pathological liars.

I have been around since LH managed the launch of babylon, but I was never SO active until early 2003. Then I went off and came back in I think 2004. I can't remember clearly, babylon has gone through too many changes. Manager wise, OW wise, and such.

I was active every minute since LH Launched, he recruited me on Bravo I think about a week before it went Classic. Babylon has went through a lot of changes but mostly because every manager who gets up there (Malinko, you are no exception, but rather, the primary example) just wants to **** around with what Babylon is because of its apparent playerworld invincibility.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

Thats how any playerworld staff would like to see their playerworld, and there is a slight chance you might be right. However history is working against you, plus Malinko and Artanis's bad stigma. I am not taking anything away from the server, but rightfully so I have more then enough reasons to be upset about what is happening right now.

It's not as bad as you think it is.

I cant judge todays babylon, I can only judge from history and what I saw when I was on when it had 140 People, And I counted 20 online staff, on their RC. Sure that means 100 of the people were NOT staff, but why were they there? Covered in other threads the reasons some people showed up. They were shocked babylon had players, so they logged on. Most people continued that trend, myself included. Before that there were tons of reports of people massing on other worlds such as UN that Babylon was giving Free NPCs.

Yeah I wasn't a fan of that. The server isn't there to host parties, it's there for us to work. When players get on it's very distracting and hard to work with 10 noobs pming "LOL KAN I B LAT???" or "LOL IZ LAT HIRING"

It's like, no **** it's hiring. Do you see -any- LATs at all?

Later on when players ask "Will we get to keep all these?" the answer they want to hear is given to them, "Yes". Later on it is discovered that infact, they will not be able to keep all their "Free" npcs "Free" hearts or "Free" Sword/Shieldpower. So why would anyone leave a server they have everything on and hundreds or thousands of hours, to start fresh somewhere with High Staff members who already have a trend of being pathological liars.

I'm the one who goes NO YOU DO NOT GET TO KEEP THESE IDIOTS, etc.

I was active every minute since LH Launched, he recruited me on Bravo I think about a week before it went Classic. Babylon has went through a lot of changes but mostly because every manager who gets up there (Malinko, you are no exception, but rather, the primary example) just wants to **** around with what Babylon is because of its apparent playerworld invincibility.

Oh cool.

Malinko isn't that bad.

[Crono]

Update:

Atlantis is virtually dead. It never has any players. It has NO staff. I haven't seen anyone on it recently, maybe 1-3 people just stopping by to see what the hell Atlantis is.

Don't use the timezone excuse, I live in Sweden. I'm on during the "prime time" of my timezone and America's. This server should be removed, why is it still up?

I could go technical and say that it has a horrible Q menu, horrible levels, and no playerbase.

[kenyonandelliot]

Yeah, but Atlantis is the only German server that works...

I am sure that PWA could go in there and if there is no staff members that they can probaly hire a new crew.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by kenyonandelliot

Yeah, but Atlantis is the only German server that works...

Meh, no excuse for it to have 0 players all the time.

I am sure that PWA could go in there and if there is no staff members that they can probaly hire a new crew.

Good idea, because the server has 0 players. Isn't there some kind of requirement for classic servers to stay anymore?

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Meh, no excuse for it to have 0 players all the time.



Good idea, because the server has 0 players. Isn't there some kind of requirement for classic servers to stay anymore?

Doesnt look like it.

[lancelot9]

As long as the server is payed for it stays I believe.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by lancelot9

As long as the server is payed for it stays I believe.

Classic servers are never payed for...

Delteria should be taken down as it's being developed on a dev server anyway. Once they finish they can bring back the Delteria server and boom.

Atlantis should just be taken down as it's dead.

[FaLLChiLD]

Delteria is not dead though, it still has players logging on. Even if it's not much we still have them.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by FaLLChiLD

Delteria is not dead though, it still has players logging on. Even if it's not much we still have them.

Maybe like, 5?

[The Evil Within]

I'll have to agree with Crono here. I do like Delteria and all, but its been dead for over a year now. The most I ever see on there is about 20 - 25 people, and thats during its tourney hours if the ET's are even on to host the tournies. We are under HEAVY development right now and due to our shortage of active staff members we probably won't be done anytime soon. I am probably one of the biggest advocates of Delteria, but I honestly would completely understand if it were to be taken off the classic tab until the new overworld is completed. I saw a couple of posts from random people trying to defend Delteria, all from people who actively play on other servers, and my only response to them is that if you feel Delteria is a good server and deserves to stay on the classic list you guys should try to log on a little bit more. Right now it's 4:00 on a wednsday, primetime for Graal playing, yet Delteria's current playercount is 0.

Maybe one day people will flock back, but it obviously isn't going to be anytime soon, just like SL, and Atlantis, it needs a major makeover before it is going to appeal to the players again, and even after development is done, it is very iffy as to weather or not people will leave UN, Npulse, Era, Classic, and Mal to actively play on Delteria again. You never know, tomorrow the playercount could jump to around 50 and stay there for a while, but as of right now Delteria has no business being on the classic tab.

[Crono]

I myself have been playing Delteria since 2001. It's sad to see it with 0 players and **** but logging on won't help. Delteria needs it's 50-80 player playerbase back.

I say delteria goes off the classic list and we wait for new delteria to pop up. Good thing about this is that new players will flock when it comes up since its a "new" server.

[syltburk]

I'm going to use my 8hour post for this thread, the thread is a joke itself. People putting down on a server, mostly midbies you didnt even play when SL were first put up thinks players haven't played there, YES SL had quite a few players in the past.

It were going down, playercount were low at certain times but we used to have a playercount up to 30-35 people at certain times,
which actually is better THEN most of the servers, also it had it times when there were 0 people on SL and 20 people on UN.

That James need to put down from management, is the dumbest thing i've heard, it doesn't get better because someone else takes over, without James SL would have been dead a long time ago, because at a certain time no one in high management had the interest to take over the responsibility. James knows what he's doing, "ir13" or whatever your nick is, perhaps you should get some experience in management skills and development skills, ideas etc etc before you even lay a comment about it,
I highly doubt that you can do anything, besides hosting event and saying warpto, no offence really.

Other then that, no problem that SL is put down at the moment, at least I didn't read all posts about the whining in here, I should consider myself lucky because most of the pathetic posts came from people who don't know how to upload levels.

[KuJi]

Originally Posted by syltburk

I'm going to use my 8hour post for this thread, the thread is a joke itself. People putting down on a server, mostly midbies you didnt even play when SL were first put up thinks players haven't played there, YES SL had quite a few players in the past.

It were going down, playercount were low at certain times but we used to have a playercount up to 30-35 people at certain times,
which actually is better THEN most of the servers, also it had it times when there were 0 people on SL and 20 people on UN.

That James need to put down from management, is the dumbest thing i've heard, it doesn't get better because someone else takes over, without James SL would have been dead a long time ago, because at a certain time no one in high management had the interest to take over the responsibility. James knows what he's doing, "ir13" or whatever your nick is, perhaps you should get some experience in management skills and development skills, ideas etc etc before you even lay a comment about it,
I highly doubt that you can do anything, besides hosting event and saying warpto, no offence really.

Other then that, no problem that SL is put down at the moment, at least I didn't read all posts about the whining in here, I should consider myself lucky because most of the pathetic posts came from people who don't know how to upload levels.

30 players on a classic server isn't impressive, seeing that private servers which r gold/vip only hit... 50+?

[Loakey_P2P]

actually with today's graal count youd be surprised to see thirty people on the same server at the same time . and dont give me no bs about how they excede that number couse yes they do , for like the four hour's kids arnt in school or their bed . and for the rest of the day , surprise hardly anyone is on . now ive noticed a few thing's looking back throu this post . for one infernix , you said something about how it looked the last time you were on sl but really how long have you held a job at sl ? a few week's to a day . the last time i hired you it wasnt even a week and you were missing . chris you said something about sl holding a player count of fifty to sixty and then dropped off , i hate to disagree with you but when i came to sl the player count was 80 to 100 . and some times over a hundred . it's easy sit back and complain all the time , but less easyer then that is to just walk away and go to another server . you people are starting to make me sick , instead of stepping up and doing something about it youd all rather just sit back , complain and publically blame the server's failure on it's staff . when in all actaullaty if it wasnt for these staff your blameing the server would be long gone with no hope of being finished , seen again or even remmber except for the few nerd's that wish to live in the past . what happened in sl's past in it's past , we need to start looking forward and not back . everyone want's to talk about what happened on sl back then , well if your that conserned build yourself's a time machine and go live in the past forever . the rest of us that are still determinded to do this will be moving forward . and it dont matter if sl does get shut down . we will buy another server and push forward . and the more you all sit here and bash the server publically just give us that extra drive . we will do this just despite you people . dont matter what you people think , or what you want , sl will be back .

[syltburk]

Originally Posted by KuJi

30 players on a classic server isn't impressive, seeing that private servers which r gold/vip only hit... 50+?

You are quite the funny man that pms EVERYONE about your fun server that gives out free "guns and much more",
will you PLEASE stop pming every person on every server to come and join your server, becuase frankly if I want to join your server, I JOIN IT.

Now this didn't have anything to do with your post, this doesn't have anything to do with your post either:
I would never want to play on a modern server which got every single idea from era because they are too lazy to actually think of something themselves, same tilesetstyle, the guns etc etc etc,

so there, now please stop advertising your server.

If you wanna talk about impressive playerscounts we should perhaps go back in time, way back, when classic had 500 players?
500 people thats like 2x as much at american timezones. Then you had the ghost mode, which in fact is a BIG factor why all this happened,
I think you don't know what ghostmode was, I will explain for you what ghostmode is:
At a special playercount the graalserver couldn't take in more players, so you had to sit and wait as a ghost untill some player left, usually it said like
-300 players left untill you can logon- I mean it was pointless then ofcourse,

some people decided to whine over a FREE game and got it p2p, at least we dont have to wait in ghostmode,
but we lost about 1000 players due to this.

Who to blaim really? The players that cried all day not knowing what were going to happen, I actually remember the forumpost there Unixmad announced that you would have to pay for the game,
people said "good job" "yay! we have to pay!", I guess alot of people changed their minds.

[WanDaMan]

Originally Posted by syltburk

You are quite the funny man that pms EVERYONE about your fun server that gives out free "guns and much more",
will you PLEASE stop pming every person on every server to come and join your server, becuase frankly if I want to join your server, I JOIN IT.

Amen brother.

[RefinoheaT]

I'm still struggling to understand the point in removing a server that is developing from the server list. If they are removed from the classic tab, people forget about the server, and when it comes back up, it gets the same sypnosis as Bomy Lands had.

If you leave Delteria up, people will see that it has a semi-low playercount at times, but then will also notice when the playercount raises due to the new overworld. If it just shows up out of nowhere again, people will assume it will be another one of those servers that will be popular for a week and then fall right back down, which could very well happen.

I just don't understand what your rush is to remove half of the servers from the classic tab. They have a lower playercount than they previously did, but they have also been around for a long enough time that they should recieve the respect from the globals to remain up during their rebuilding time.

While yes, I would understand the want to remove it from the classic tab, as it HAS been dead for a year or so now, I don't believe it will leave a positive influence in the long run. If it was constantly at 0, and people didn't even log on to visit tourneys, etc., then I'd say remove it. However I have noticed several times logging in that it does often have a playercount in the double digits, which means that enough people do care about it.

Those are my thoughts on the situation. I am in no way a Delteria representative, nor do I even work for the server. Those are just my feelings towards the matter.

[killerogue]

Well said Loakey. *Claps* A couple proper punctuations would've made it so much better.

[Loakey_P2P]

Originally Posted by killerogue

Well said Loakey. *Claps* A couple proper punctuations would've made it so much better.

sorry , you must have mistaken me for someone that gives a damn . : )

[Sum41Freeeeek]

Is it really affecting you so much that it has to be removed?