A thread i hope stefan reads

[iismike]

Ok so you guys seem to have perverted my post which isnt very nice, first off yes i understand that graal needs money. However to get the most money out of graal you need something to bring people in and its not T-shirts and that retarded stuff that one bugger mentioned. You make something free, and youll get people into it and just like say whats that game uhm runescape! They know how to market a game (i hate runescape but i give them props for making such a popular game out of..that) And for all you people who think making classic like the past (wow), is a bad idea simply in the name of change then you need to look at what classic is like right now. There is a huge demand for what has already been done so bring it back. Also for all you people who are worried about hacking theres 2 things that could be done that would be less depressing than whats happend now:
1) Hire GP's again for no pay, if a server is popular people will kill for this position even though its work.
2) do serverside hacker checks to see if somebody is on a wall or if somebody has never been to the appropriate levels to have acquired all the hearts or have the server check to make sure the player can be hit. I know this stuff is possible and hey its not even perfect, but for graal its more than enough. Yes players could use hacks to teleport to each level and get the heartslots but doing the quests would be easier, stefan needs to be smart about hack protection and stop going overboard. Especially for simple little classic. (another idea, check your statistics against your last save and if you have a rediculous change in a small time period have a log of this anomoly sent to each GP) Ok guys, ive played in the time of clientside and i know as a coder stefan likes to show up these hackers but he went overboard, however i can see how its important for other servers! but not classic.

Now stop correcting grammar and punctuation in my post or stefan wont freaking read it!!!

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by iismike

Now stop correcting grammar and punctuation in my post or stefan wont freaking read it!!!

I believe he read and discarded it.

Why in order to make a server free must the NPC server be removed? I don't get that.

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by iismike

Now stop correcting grammar and punctuation in my post or stefan wont freaking read it!!!

If you think your post is important enough to be read by anyone, especially Stefan, you should put the minimum of effort into it that is required to come up with proper grammar and spelling.

[zell12]

Only thing that made graal fun was the community. I think the playerworlds need to be removed and only have the popular ones left. Have a different variety of gameplay.

Classic, G2k1, GK is all we need.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by zell12

Only thing that made graal fun was the community. I think the playerworlds need to be removed and only have the popular ones left. Have a different variety of gameplay.

Classic, G2k1, GK is all we need.

Well considering those three servers are all but dead, no thanks.

[protagonist]

Hackers are way overestimated, and erroneously the target of a lot of hate.

I don't know about you guys, but when there was a hacker loose on a server, it was never to the point where the hacker was actually destroying the server or anything. It was more along the lines of it disrupting the gameplay, which sometimes was pretty fun. Speedhacking and that kind of thing was kind of lame, but whenever someone dropped like, 20 bombs on the screen, it was kind of fun.

It made Graal interesting, gave people something to think about, gave the GPs something to do, and gave the community of non-hackers something to unite against. I think that, while we may stereotypically consider hackers to be bad, they do add a certain black aspect to the game. An underground, if you will. I think we're so used to thinking of them in terms of the typical MMORPG hacker: duping items for profit and so forth. The thing is, Classic doesn't have an economy, so they can't really do anything that is so destructive to the constant gameplay. This makes the whole "hackers" argument for keeping the NPC server void.

Just my $0.02.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by protagonist

I don't know about you guys, but when there was a hacker loose on a server, it was never to the point where the hacker was actually destroying the server or anything.

Jellyfish?

[Thallen]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Jellyfish?

Originally Posted by protagonist

I think we're so used to thinking of them in terms of the typical MMORPG hacker: duping items for profit and so forth. The thing is, Classic doesn't have an economy, so they can't really do anything that is so destructive to the constant gameplay. This makes the whole "hackers" argument for keeping the NPC server void.

Jellyfish did his business on Maloria, where there is an economy. I believe his arguement is toward "classic" servers, while Maloria falls under something like "level up/roleplay."

[Prozac]

Originally Posted by protagonist

Hackers are way overestimated, and erroneously the target of a lot of hate.

I don't know about you guys, but when there was a hacker loose on a server, it was never to the point where the hacker was actually destroying the server or anything. It was more along the lines of it disrupting the gameplay, which sometimes was pretty fun.

that is not entirely accurate.

sanstrata + one particular hacker = all files on server deleted 5 times in 2 days. (we re-uploaded and as we were uploading he was deleting. back in the days of ftp). I am glad for the many more layers of security that have been implemented over the years.

hacking = not fun and i for one have absolutely no tolerance for anyone who even mentions that they are going to hack, even if they are trying to be funny. you so much as joke about hacking on my server and you will be inviting an insta-ban on your account.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Prozac

hacking = not fun and i for one have absolutely no tolerance for anyone who even mentions that they are going to hack, even if they are trying to be funny. you so much as joke about hacking on my server and you will be inviting an insta-ban on your account.

Harsh.
Who needs hacking, I have perfectly good boots now

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by Prozac

sanstrata + one particular hacker = all files on server deleted 5 times in 2 days. (we re-uploaded and as we were uploading he was deleting. back in the days of ftp). I am glad for the many more layers of security that have been implemented over the years.

It is not hacking if the guy has your ftp password. What new layers are you talking about?

hacking = not fun and i for one have absolutely no tolerance for anyone who even mentions that they are going to hack, even if they are trying to be funny. you so much as joke about hacking on my server and you will be inviting an insta-ban on your account.

Hacking is, in contrary, very fun, and I am rather convinced that the PWA will not let you get away with randomly banning people like that if your server ever reaches a certain point of popularity.

[Prozac]

Originally Posted by Loriel

Hacking is, in contrary, very fun,

fun for the one doing the hack, perhaps it is fun.
for those observing the hacking, perhaps its fun to watch - after all, it's not their hard work being mutilated and destroyed.

for the one being hacked, whose hundreds of hours (yes i spent that much time on sanstrata all those years ago) seeing your work gets deleted, it's hell on earth.

of course when my server does get to the hoted/classic tab, i will comply with the same standards that graal online has for various offenses.

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by Prozac

fun for the one doing the hack, perhaps it is fun.

Pretending it is not just abuse of staff privileges or stupid trainers, it probably is.

for those observing the hacking, perhaps its fun to watch - after all, it's not their hard work being mutilated and destroyed.

That is a very retarded kind of fun and not at all what I was refering to.

for the one being hacked, whose hundreds of hours (yes i spent that much time on sanstrata all those years ago) seeing your work gets deleted, it's hell on earth.

This is, for me, outside the scope of "hacking". The destruction of data is not what hacking is about and clearly a bad thing, and not "fun" for anyone.

[Admins]

Originally Posted by Loriel

Hacking is, in contrary, very fun, and I am rather convinced that the PWA will not let you get away with randomly banning people like that if your server ever reaches a certain point of popularity.

Read his post and the rules please.

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Read his post and the rules please.

By your command.

[Krakken]

I find myself agreeing with konindas. He seems to be speaking the most sense here. I was one of the original GK developers and even I had no interest in the server - for me it was all way too complicated and lacked community. I'm in no way saying it's a bad server; on the contrary. It simply wasn't for me - an impatient gamer.

It's kind of funny reading that back seeing as in my career I am a Games Engineer.

[Mafukie]

Instead of thinking what classic needs why don't you ask the current generation of players who actually play classic longer than 10 minuites wants? We need quests, We need constant events, and a playerbase to play the events. But in the end of it all, even in the 'old' graal days people spent their time PKing and taking over graal castle... There wasn't much to do. Its just your childhood nostalgia getting the best of you, like a grown up who played nintendo, playing it again and realising things have evolved since then and it isn't so great anymore. But you CANNOT expect people to rebuild classic in a month, expecially when they are doing it on their own free time. GScript 2 will only help Classic evolve into where it needs to be at in terms of a playerworld.

Don't worry about Classic though, its being taken care of.

[iismike]

Ah to the guy who said i should have used good grammar you obviously didnt read all the posts because in fact i was not the person being trolled about grammar. I do not think it is constructive to this post however so please stop being english teachers. I simply want Classic to be free so that more players play graal and it flourishes again. I firmly believe having one free server will bring in more people who will eventually pay and make graal more profitable. If you disagree have a good reason.

[Mafukie]

Originally Posted by iismike

Ah to the guy who said i should have used good grammar you obviously didnt read all the posts because in fact i was not the person being trolled about grammar. I do not think it is constructive to this post however so please stop being english teachers. I simply want Classic to be free so that more players play graal and it flourishes again. I firmly believe having one free server will bring in more people who will eventually pay and make graal more profitable. If you disagree have a good reason.

In that case, make UN free. It already has the biggest newb population.

[Loriel]

Originally Posted by iismike

Ah to the guy who [...]

Originally Posted by unixmad

OUT OF COURTESY FOR THE READERS, WE ASK THAT YOU ALWAYS QUOTE WHO YOU ARE REPLYING TO.

Why do you insist on brekaing the forum rules?

you obviously didnt read all the posts because in fact i was not the person being trolled about grammar.

So what? Grammar is still an awesome thing.

I do not think it is constructive to this post however so please stop being english teachers.

I have no obligation to be constructive to your post. However, pretending that English is some kind of free-form communication thing instead of language is not very constructive either, so calling out people who obfuscate communication by lack of grammar is entirely justified.

If you disagree have a good reason.

Apparently firmly believing something is good enough for you, so why not for people who disagree?

[PrinceDark]

Graal was fun back in 2001, because of the communities larger population. There was more people around with similar interests. More interactivity, more guild/spar/pk/event competition. More players willing to help development on each playerworld.

It was fun being able to meet new people that shared your same interests. As time moved on, people matured and left the game for better structured/maintained MMPOGs or to deal with real life issues. There was no purpose to stay around a game that peaked out its fun for us. Once in a while the older players pop in to see whats new and fun, but those returns are usually shortlived.

Instead of trying to compare one generation to another, maybe the new kids can try to make their own fun. How? Don't ask me. My brain is fried and this is about as sensible as I'm going to get.

[Raeiphon]

Graal's main problem - Advertising. There is none of it, and I came to Graal by a FAQ off GameFAQs which had Graal as one of it's cool links. Start advertising, and you'll bring in more players.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Raeiphon

Graal's main problem - Advertising. There is none of it, and I came to Graal by a FAQ off GameFAQs which had Graal as one of it's cool links. Start advertising, and you'll bring in more players.

I agree, there is no advertising. I stumbled across Graal year's ago whilst looking for an online Bomberman game

[iismike]

nobody will pay money for this game off of its immediate apeal, theres not much. You need to be able to play the game for free to get into it. Thats why the populations are so low.