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Googi · #41 11-26-2005, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Butz

Now tell me how many got there legitimately.

Most of them got there legitimately by making DoV until they maxed out their mental level. There's nothing illegitimate about that.

Thrashsoul3 · #42 11-27-2005, 12:42 AM

Graal Kingdoms got boring when we found out they were never going to finish the original spider quest.

nullify · #43 11-27-2005, 08:05 AM

No, Graal Kingdoms got boring when we figured out how terrible it actually was.

xAndrewx · #44 11-27-2005, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Butz

Have you looked around?
See how many Level 110's there are with full +12 equipment?
Now tell me how many got there legitimately.
That's why people want a reset.

They're your reasons, not Zero's.
I can understand that though, but most people got there legally.

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Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

Your Stuff

I agree with you there.

Taikun · #45 11-27-2005, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

The only bug I know that's being abused is the two people being level 110 and partying to abuse the low level wisdom for high physique. Now this bug I can definitely see calling for a reset, but since it's only being abused by small amounts of people, it doesn't really call for a mass reset.

sorry but not only "a few" used that physique-wisdom bug. like 50% did and those who did are way too strong. the new player NEVER can reach to be that strong.
1 reason: they have to usd for their items which many won't do (this was not supposed to be i guess)
2 reason: all new players can't buy any brutal maps because they cost like 5 times more than they are worth it.
3 reason: there are many idiots that don't let them enjoy game so they quit.

i have to add that the prices on GK are awful. why the heck did diamonds go to 500 plat per? how dumb is that (think bout it). same with brutal maps beeing sold for 5k each. that's just... there we are back at the point buying stuff for real money. it seems it's the only way to success at this game.

Sam · #46 11-27-2005, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Taikun

sorry but not only "a few" used that physique-wisdom bug. like 50% did and those who did are way too strong. the new player NEVER can reach to be that strong.
1 reason: they have to usd for their items which many won't do (this was not supposed to be i guess)
2 reason: all new players can't buy any brutal maps because they cost like 5 times more than they are worth it.
3 reason: there are many idiots that don't let them enjoy game so they quit.

i have to add that the prices on GK are awful. why the heck did diamonds go to 500 plat per? how dumb is that (think bout it). same with brutal maps beeing sold for 5k each. that's just... there we are back at the point buying stuff for real money. it seems it's the only way to success at this game.

I don't think so. Most players don't buy items for real money, only a handful, because they want to be "cool and leet".

The prices for diamonds or brutals are made by the players. It's like in real life: supply and demand!
Don't pay so much, offer less and the prices will go down.

When I go to check the trade room in Bomboria, I see all the time the same people there. Most of them don't play the game, they just looking to make a "good deal". Some of them are Scammers and/or "for USD seller" and only one or two going to do a short trade and leave when it's done.

xAndrewx · #47 11-27-2005, 03:03 PM

Yep, that's correct Sam. Most don't even play GK.

Craigus · #48 11-27-2005, 07:37 PM

GK is all about the kingdoms, i once enjoyed this aspect of the game and think i could once again if a decent kingdom came along again...i believe all the kingdoms are badly run at the moment, Pirates probably being the only acception, although i would not join it because it can't RP and doesn't fit with my character.

xAndrewx · #49 11-27-2005, 07:53 PM

What's your character, Craig?

Craigus · #50 11-27-2005, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by xAndrewx

What's your character, Craig?

My character had a successful career in the Dustari military and led it for a short period before becoming prince. He is a warrior and fights for noble causes and would not be seen fighting for dirty no good pirates

Sam · #51 11-27-2005, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Craigus

My character had a successful career in the Dustari military and led it for a short period before becoming prince. He is a warrior and fights for noble causes and would not be seen fighting for dirty no good pirates

Har har, we pirates should be more dirty and bad, you are right

Craigus · #52 11-27-2005, 08:40 PM

Dustari was once the law enforcing kingdom it was always meant to be, used to keep the pirates in thier place, now the pirates are left to roam the seas all ships beware! something must be done :O

Taikun · #53 11-27-2005, 09:10 PM

it's useless to argue :/

StrykerTFFD · #54 11-27-2005, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Taikun

1 reason: they have to usd for their items which many won't do (this was not supposed to be i guess)
2 reason: all new players can't buy any brutal maps because they cost like 5 times more than they are worth it.
3 reason: there are many idiots that don't let them enjoy game so they quit.

Your reasons are definitely better ones calling for a reset, yet then we'd be reseting items people have paid for. That'd cause a riot.

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Originally Posted by Schlurfy

The prices for diamonds or brutals are made by the players. It's like in real life: supply and demand!
Don't pay so much, offer less and the prices will go down.

You clearly don't understand supply and demand. If Supply is Up, Demand is Down, Price is Down. If Supply is Low, Demand is Up, Price is Up. That's Supply and Demand and only applies to this case in this way: The rare items are being horded by the older, higher level players. They CONTROL the Supply and can put whatever Price they want reguardless of the Demand. The younger players either pay the high prices or go without. This also forces younger players who find items like diamonds to use the higher prices on diamonds to SURVIVE as they have no other means of income.

Taikun · #55 11-27-2005, 09:21 PM

couldn't of explained better O.o i am for a reset seriously

Sam · #56 11-27-2005, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

You clearly don't understand supply and demand. If Supply is Up, Demand is Down, Price is Down. If Supply is Low, Demand is Up, Price is Up. That's Supply and Demand and only applies to this case in this way: The rare items are being horded by the older, higher level players. They CONTROL the Supply and can put whatever Price they want reguardless of the Demand. The younger players either pay the high prices or go without. This also forces younger players who find items like diamonds to use the higher prices on diamonds to SURVIVE as they have no other means of income.

Don't think that I dont understand it. I guess you don't got what i said.
First of all:
Demand means the quantity of a given article which would be taken at a given price. Supply means the quantity of that article which could be had at that price. You can follow? Okay!

Supply and demand can be thought of in terms of individual people interacting at a market. Suppose the following 3 people participate in this simplified economy:

Cathy is willing to pay 3000 plats for a dia.
Emily is willing to sell a dia for 1500 plats.
Fred is willing to sell a dia for 2500 plats.

There are many possible trades that would be mutually agreeable to both people, but not all of them will happen.
For example, Cathy and Fred would be interested in trading with each other for any price between 2500 and 3000. If the price is above 3000, Cathy is not interested, since the price is too high. If the price is below 2500, Fred is not interested since the price is too low. However at the market, Cathy will discover that there are other sellers willing to sell at well below 2500, so she will not trade with Fred at all. In an efficient market, each seller will get as high a price as possible, and each buyer will get as low a price as possible.
Imagine that Cathy and Fred are bartering over the price. Fred offers 2500 for a diamond. Before Cathy can agree, Emily offers a dia for 2400. Fred is not willing to sell at 2400, so he drops out.
Maybe you got it now what I am talking about.

StrykerTFFD · #57 11-27-2005, 10:21 PM

But that's not the concept of supply and demand...that's just how marketing goes.

And besides, that's not what's happening on Graal Kingdoms. What I said is happening is what's happening...so your points are pretty worthless.

Taikun · #58 11-27-2005, 10:28 PM

and what made diamonds and maps grew that much in value were the market stand bugs not the player. i don't want to blame anyone, graal is a betha yes but after all this bugs that people abused, don't you think a reset would make the economy "normal" again? imagine all the things we would enjoy again. eventshields/swords/belts/helmets etc. would be worth eventing again which staff doesn't want to event right now because it's beeing sold for usd afterwards anyways as everybody knows. it's time to make this server worth playing again without people running around with tons of usd'd stuff and glitched levels and created items.. this sounds kind of a blame but it's not. i just really think a server restart would help. the people who got their levels legally know how to get them again, and those who got them by glitches will have to work now. sry but that's my opinion

Sam · #59 11-27-2005, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

But that's not the concept of supply and demand...that's just how marketing goes.

And besides, that's not what's happening on Graal Kingdoms. What I said is happening is what's happening...so your points are pretty worthless.

You should ask your dad or your teacher what supply and demand means, maybe they can explain it better to you. I studied applied economics.
And that's exactly what happens on GK.
Don't try to be smarter as you are.

StrykerTFFD · #60 11-27-2005, 10:40 PM

Considering that's not what happens on GK, nor has it ever happened that way, may you should quit being blind to what's going on?

I know you are incorrect, I don't need to ask anyone.

Sam · #61 11-27-2005, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Taikun

and what made diamonds and maps grew that much in value were the market stand bugs not the player. i don't want to blame anyone, graal is a betha yes but after all this bugs that people abused, don't you think a reset would make the economy "normal" again? imagine all the things we would enjoy again. eventshields/swords/belts/helmets etc. would be worth eventing again which staff doesn't want to event right now because it's beeing sold for usd afterwards anyways as everybody knows. it's time to make this server worth playing again without people running around with tons of usd'd stuff and glitched levels and created items.. this sounds kind of a blame but it's not. i just really think a server restart would help. the people who got their levels legally know how to get them again, and those who got them by glitches will have to work now. sry but that's my opinion

We are working on new stuff and new events. We improved a lot of things and also Stefan fixed bugs and help when ever he has time. You need to be patient, because we cannot do it all at once.
We also will give out more good items and we do that by and by.

StrykerTFFD · #62 11-27-2005, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Schlurfy

We also will give out more good items and we do that by and by.

And who do you think will get their hands on those items? Answer this question correct and you get a cookie!

Sam · #63 11-27-2005, 10:53 PM

Staff can't be the nannies for the players. If they want to sell or trade it, they can do it. The only thing we can do is make a better balance.

Craigus · #64 11-27-2005, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

And who do you think will get their hands on those items? Answer this question correct and you get a cookie!

Doesn't really matter, sure if its a good item a rich person will end up with it and the newer person will end up with a variety of items that is more use to him, what matters is that the new people see that they have a chance to get these items they are avaliable and by winning events they can get these items.

Googi · #65 11-27-2005, 10:54 PM

The price of diamonds is playerbase regulated. The prices of ultra-rare items are largely outside the bounds of supply and demand as the supply is often zero outside of USD markets (sometimes an ultra-rare item will go up for trade but the request will be another ultra-rare item that cannot be obtained except, again, through USD markets). You aren't going to get this stuff with dias and RoWs.

StrykerTFFD · #66 11-27-2005, 11:00 PM

Thanks Googi. I was kind of expecting you to come along and make the point I was trying to make but couldn't quite get across.

Sam · #67 11-27-2005, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

Thanks Googi. I was kind of expecting you to come along and make the point I was trying to make but couldn't quite get across.

Finally you got it! Good!

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Originally Posted by Googi

The price of diamonds is playerbase regulated.

That's what I am talking about! And that's what counts here.

And because we cannot control anything outside of Graal, we (Staff) cannot prevent such things like buying items for real money.

StrykerTFFD · #68 11-27-2005, 11:31 PM

Yeah, I wasn't saying thanks to you Sam.

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Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

You clearly don't understand supply and demand. If Supply is Up, Demand is Down, Price is Down. If Supply is Low, Demand is Up, Price is Up. That's Supply and Demand and only applies to this case in this way: The rare items are being horded by the older, higher level players. They CONTROL the Supply and can put whatever Price they want reguardless of the Demand. The younger players either pay the high prices or go without. This also forces younger players who find items like diamonds to use the higher prices on diamonds to SURVIVE as they have no other means of income.

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Originally Posted by Googi

The price of diamonds is playerbase regulated. The prices of ultra-rare items are largely outside the bounds of supply and demand as the supply is often zero outside of USD markets (sometimes an ultra-rare item will go up for trade but the request will be another ultra-rare item that cannot be obtained except, again, through USD markets). You aren't going to get this stuff with dias and RoWs.

*sigh*
Read the bolded parts. That's the points I'm talking about. Your diamond examples don't concern me. I don't mention diamonds anywhere, except as an example where players need to continue the high prices to keep up with the ways of income.

EDIT:To make this more clear, the prices of diamonds and brutals have gone in a reverse direction.Their costs aren't controlled by players, rather they're controlled by those who have the money to overpay for them. High leveled players, those who are richer than the younger players, toss up high offers in order to buy out the younger players, not give them a chance. I mean look at the costs of brutals. They're insane. Who can afford those other than people who are trying to buy them in mass and power level? That's my feeling on diamonds, since you keep bringing them up.

Googi · #69 11-28-2005, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Schlurfy

And because we cannot control anything outside of Graal, we (Staff) cannot prevent such things like buying items for real money.

Except, of course, banning people who USD, which the staff don't try hard enough to do. Or scammers for that matter.

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Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

To make this more clear, the prices of diamonds and brutals have gone in a reverse direction.Their costs aren't controlled by players, rather they're controlled by those who have the money to overpay for them. High leveled players, those who are richer than the younger players, toss up high offers in order to buy out the younger players, not give them a chance. I mean look at the costs of brutals. They're insane. Who can afford those other than people who are trying to buy them in mass and power level? That's my feeling on diamonds, since you keep bringing them up.

Diamonds have remained at 500 plat for a very long time. Talking about diamonds in terms of plat to begin with is a mistake. Diamonds, not plat, are the currency of 2K2. An increase in their plat value doesn't represent an increase in the value of diamonds but a decrease in the value of platinum.

Also, there is no case of someone buying diamonds in bulk through overpaying in terms of plat that I know of, or even buying diamonds in bulk for 500 plat each. This is not to say that such cases doesn't exist, but that they are very likely too rare to impact the plat value of diamonds in any considerable way.

Sam · #70 11-28-2005, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Schlurfy

The prices for diamonds or brutals are made by the players. It's like in real life: supply and demand!
Don't pay so much, offer less and the prices will go down.

You got what I am talking about? DIAMONDS AND BRUTALS, by answering Taikun:

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Originally Posted by Taikun

...have to add that the prices on GK are awful. why the heck did diamonds go to 500 plat per? how dumb is that (think bout it). same with brutal maps beeing sold for 5k each. that's just... there we are back at the point buying stuff for real money. it seems it's the only way to success at this game.

And if you read that:

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Originally Posted by Schlurfy

That's what I am talking about! And that's what counts here.

And because we cannot control anything outside of Graal, we (Staff) cannot prevent such things like buying items for real money.

I am talking about supply and demand traded INSIDE of Graal. But maybe you can ask Googie to let explain it only for you, what I am talking about.

And the reason why the prices of diamonds and brutals are going higher and higher is, because the older player are lazy and just want to be stronger by doing nothing and improve their weapons with diamonds.
But that are complaints we don't accept, because it's their own fault.

Butz · #71 11-28-2005, 12:18 AM

Maybe there should be some sort of secret strike force that tries to catch people selling items for USD, and when proof is collected, ban the accounts of those players, and release the items back into circulation? >.>

Any other game out there wouldn't stand for this sort of thing.

Sam · #72 11-28-2005, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

Except, of course, banning people who USD, which the staff don't try hard enough to do. Or scammers for that matter.

We don't punish people for selling or buying items for USD. That's not our business. The only thing we can do is to prohibit specifically announcements of selling or buying for real money inside the game.
And that follows a ban.
I am working hard for the ban of scammers and I also was able to bring scammed items back to their owners, but it don't works all the time.

Googi · #73 11-28-2005, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Schlurfy

We don't punish people for selling or buying items for USD. That's not our business.

Yeah, I know it's not. But the staff can make it their business.

Zero Hour · #74 11-28-2005, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

Yeah, I know it's not. But the staff can make it their business.

It doesn't really change much - it's pretty hard to get actual proof. Shortly after I began being a GP we tried it... didn't work so hot.

StrykerTFFD · #75 11-28-2005, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

Diamonds have remained at 500 plat for a very long time.

Yeah, but I come from the times when they cost 10 plat each. I miss those days.

Googi · #76 11-28-2005, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Zero Hour

It doesn't really change much - it's pretty hard to get actual proof. Shortly after I began being a GP we tried it... didn't work so hot.

Use dummy AIM accounts.

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Originally Posted by StrykerTFFD

Yeah, but I come from the times when they cost 10 plat each. I miss those days.

I come from the times when diamonds were worthless because it was more efficient to craft 10 gralats using a gold and a durby than it was to craft 20 with 2 golds, 2 diamonds and a durby, boy!

Damix2 · #77 11-28-2005, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

I come from the times when diamonds were worthless because it was more efficient to craft 10 gralats using a gold and a durby than it was to craft 20 with 2 golds, 2 diamonds and a durby, boy!

Haha =D

StrykerTFFD · #78 11-28-2005, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Googi

I come from the times when diamonds were worthless because it was more efficient to craft 10 gralats using a gold and a durby than it was to craft 20 with 2 golds, 2 diamonds and a durby, boy!

...lol.

Taikun · #79 11-28-2005, 06:23 PM

i personally don't play gk anymore because of the fact that there are like 3 monopols who have all items and only fewer who have got hold of the rest of eventstuff. umm there is nothing i could work for anymore. once it was fun to level physique but since that "creating brutal maps" time i don't see the point in paying lots for them if others get them for free and spread them out to their usd friends. i won't play till a reset happens because i see no fairness at this point. nor do i think that it's ok that people have lvl 107 phys by that wisdom-physique glitch. whta sense does armor make then? (ac, resist phys?) if you can get me arguments against a reset i would like to hear them.

Zero Hour · #80 11-28-2005, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Taikun

i personally don't play gk anymore because of the fact that there are like 3 monopols who have all items and only fewer who have got hold of the rest of eventstuff. i don't see the point in paying lots for them if others get them for free and spread them out to their usd friends.

I distinctly recall you being a large-time USDer o.O